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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts on Schaller&#8217;s two-humped moderate political beast</title>
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	<description>Think.  It ain&#039;t illegal yet...</description>
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		<title>By: nokomisjeff</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/05/02/thoughts-on-schallers-two-humped-political-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-4976</link>
		<dc:creator>nokomisjeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 20:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100% with the need for Thinkers.......on all sides of the political spectrum.

Aloha,

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100% with the need for Thinkers&#8230;&#8230;.on all sides of the political spectrum.</p>
<p>Aloha,</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/05/02/thoughts-on-schallers-two-humped-political-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-4975</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 20:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;We don</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;We don</em></p>
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		<title>By: drdenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>drdenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 20:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve taken the test several times over the past few years. I&#039;m buried so deeply into the left/libertarian quandrant (and moving further left and down) I hardly recognize my rebellious collegiate &#039;60s self.

I don&#039;t now what &quot;moderate&quot; means. I know I register as an independent because I do not wish to formally align myself with either the Donkeys or the Pachyderms. If &quot;moderate&quot; means &quot;independent,&quot; then I&#039;m moderate.

But if &quot;moderate&quot; means &quot;middle of the road&quot; (whatever THAT means), I&#039;m nothing approaching &quot;moderate.&quot;

If &quot;moderate&quot; means &quot;meek&quot; or &quot;modest&quot; or &quot;mild-mannered&quot; in my attitude toward politics or current goverance, then the pollsters can kiss my ass.

We need more dimensions to any political compass. What about &quot;depth of involvement&quot;? What about &quot;degree of willingness to speak out&quot;? What about &quot;willingness to do the homework necessary to speak out effectively&quot;?

We don&#039;t need a political compass. We need a compass that measures the willingness of the mind and soul to be independent, critical thinkers.

Not voyeurs. Not sycophants. Not miscreants. Not morons.

Thinkers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve taken the test several times over the past few years. I&#8217;m buried so deeply into the left/libertarian quandrant (and moving further left and down) I hardly recognize my rebellious collegiate &#8217;60s self.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t now what &#8220;moderate&#8221; means. I know I register as an independent because I do not wish to formally align myself with either the Donkeys or the Pachyderms. If &#8220;moderate&#8221; means &#8220;independent,&#8221; then I&#8217;m moderate.</p>
<p>But if &#8220;moderate&#8221; means &#8220;middle of the road&#8221; (whatever THAT means), I&#8217;m nothing approaching &#8220;moderate.&#8221;</p>
<p>If &#8220;moderate&#8221; means &#8220;meek&#8221; or &#8220;modest&#8221; or &#8220;mild-mannered&#8221; in my attitude toward politics or current goverance, then the pollsters can kiss my ass.</p>
<p>We need more dimensions to any political compass. What about &#8220;depth of involvement&#8221;? What about &#8220;degree of willingness to speak out&#8221;? What about &#8220;willingness to do the homework necessary to speak out effectively&#8221;?</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need a political compass. We need a compass that measures the willingness of the mind and soul to be independent, critical thinkers.</p>
<p>Not voyeurs. Not sycophants. Not miscreants. Not morons.</p>
<p>Thinkers.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Silvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Silvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 17:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m delighted to be in the same quadrant as you guys too. (Wait, must find different language; that useful word &lt;em&gt;guy&lt;/em&gt; has now been sullied by Bush&#039;s pronouncement that he&#039;s the &quot;commander guy.&quot;) Following Star Wars nomenclature, Brad DeLong refers to the territory of the wacko Repubs as the Gamma Quadrant. Perhaps we should claim the Alpha Quadrant.

Sam, I shared your frustration with many of the questions. I wanted a different option than the available ones, sometimes more nuanced, sometimes more extreme. Finally just a game, though I find it curiously reassuring to be officially designated a goddamned commie hippie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m delighted to be in the same quadrant as you guys too. (Wait, must find different language; that useful word <em>guy</em> has now been sullied by Bush&#8217;s pronouncement that he&#8217;s the &#8220;commander guy.&#8221;) Following Star Wars nomenclature, Brad DeLong refers to the territory of the wacko Repubs as the Gamma Quadrant. Perhaps we should claim the Alpha Quadrant.</p>
<p>Sam, I shared your frustration with many of the questions. I wanted a different option than the available ones, sometimes more nuanced, sometimes more extreme. Finally just a game, though I find it curiously reassuring to be officially designated a goddamned commie hippie.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 15:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I take the quiz I&#039;m in that quadrant, but not nearly so far out as you goddamned commie hippies. It troubles me, too - I find that I&#039;m having to give answers that I don&#039;t really want to give, but have to because I have to account for how the world really works. In principle I&#039;m more libertarian, so slide me to the right, and I can get pretty conflicted on the social scale, too, when I see the irresponsibility that people exercise in pursuit of their freedoms.

This is part of what gripes me when I see people who refuse to acknowledge that real life doesn&#039;t always conform to their theories...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I take the quiz I&#8217;m in that quadrant, but not nearly so far out as you goddamned commie hippies. It troubles me, too &#8211; I find that I&#8217;m having to give answers that I don&#8217;t really want to give, but have to because I have to account for how the world really works. In principle I&#8217;m more libertarian, so slide me to the right, and I can get pretty conflicted on the social scale, too, when I see the irresponsibility that people exercise in pursuit of their freedoms.</p>
<p>This is part of what gripes me when I see people who refuse to acknowledge that real life doesn&#8217;t always conform to their theories&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Booth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 15:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took the quiz, too, and wound up close to Robert. I&#039;d just like to say that I feel honored and lucky to be in such estimable company....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took the quiz, too, and wound up close to Robert. I&#8217;d just like to say that I feel honored and lucky to be in such estimable company&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Silvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Silvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 04:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thoughts, Sam. I agree with you that the Political Compass idea is richer than the usual one-dimensional left-right model. And I&#039;m with SilverSliver in wishing for a real left/libertarian party that would have enough clout to be worth voting for, as would exist if the US had a proportional-representation parliamentary system. But even then the Greens wouldn&#039;t be it for me, I&#039;m afraid (although global warming is the gravest danger facing us); with or without Ralph Nader, they tend to be preachers rather than politicians, and I&#039;d like to see some real results.

The Political Compass system is certainly an improvement, with its left-right economic axis and authoritarian-libertarian social axis, though it would be even better with a third dimension, perhaps measuring flexibility-rigidity. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.robertsilvey.com/notes/2005/11/the_center_cann.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;When I took the quiz&lt;/a&gt;, I ended up to the far lower left of the schema, more left than Ghandi and more libertarian than the Dalai Lama. I guess I would have been at home in a 1930s Catalonian syndicalist commune; that&#039;s probably why I find Berkeley so congenial</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts, Sam. I agree with you that the Political Compass idea is richer than the usual one-dimensional left-right model. And I&#8217;m with SilverSliver in wishing for a real left/libertarian party that would have enough clout to be worth voting for, as would exist if the US had a proportional-representation parliamentary system. But even then the Greens wouldn&#8217;t be it for me, I&#8217;m afraid (although global warming is the gravest danger facing us); with or without Ralph Nader, they tend to be preachers rather than politicians, and I&#8217;d like to see some real results.</p>
<p>The Political Compass system is certainly an improvement, with its left-right economic axis and authoritarian-libertarian social axis, though it would be even better with a third dimension, perhaps measuring flexibility-rigidity. <a href="http://www.robertsilvey.com/notes/2005/11/the_center_cann.html" rel="nofollow">When I took the quiz</a>, I ended up to the far lower left of the schema, more left than Ghandi and more libertarian than the Dalai Lama. I guess I would have been at home in a 1930s Catalonian syndicalist commune; that&#8217;s probably why I find Berkeley so congenial</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Calvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Calvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 04:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d really like to see 8 years of LP government.  That would rock my poor excuse for a fro.</description>
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		<title>By: SilverSliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>SilverSliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 02:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m registered Dem, despite being so far left I&#039;m out of party range.  I&#039;d belong to a smaller party if they had any clout. As it is, I&#039;m voting in the Dem primaries to do my part in getting the most proressive candidates on the stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m registered Dem, despite being so far left I&#8217;m out of party range.  I&#8217;d belong to a smaller party if they had any clout. As it is, I&#8217;m voting in the Dem primaries to do my part in getting the most proressive candidates on the stage.</p>
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