Comments on: The future of newspapers II: of shock-jocks and self-made media-stars http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/05/14/the-future-of-newspapers-ii-of-shock-jocks-and-self-made-media-stars/ Think. It ain't illegal yet... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:50:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mick http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/05/14/the-future-of-newspapers-ii-of-shock-jocks-and-self-made-media-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-1295 Mick Wed, 16 May 2007 12:05:54 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=220#comment-1295 It's not that simple. Imus will come back. But this really is about freedom of speach and control from Big Brother/Big Sis. It's Hillary behind the Imus scandal. It’s not that simple. Imus will come back. But this really is about freedom of speach and control from Big Brother/Big Sis.

It’s Hillary behind the Imus scandal.

]]> By: Jim Booth http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/05/14/the-future-of-newspapers-ii-of-shock-jocks-and-self-made-media-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-1294 Jim Booth Mon, 14 May 2007 18:42:58 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=220#comment-1294 So let me see if I've got this straight - what this is REALLY about is the hegemony-of-access that Big Media has and the new paradigm that allows them to use that hegemony to decide who gets to be stars based on individuals' abilities at not just music, writing, or (insert "talent" here) but at self-promotion, marketing, and "branding" without any real financial risk to themselves. I'd think hard about that last word's multiple meanings if I were you.... We've already have seen this in the music industry with the rise of college rock in the 1980's where do-it-oneselfers like REM rose through the ranks to attract the attention of big Music industry - and became rock stars as a result. What has evolved, however, is that "rock stars" rarely make money anymore because the contracts that they must sign to get the all important access that you all so blithely refer to make them pretty much slaves to the hegemonic access controllers. Most rock bands have to stay on the road 50-52 weeks a year to make a living....That may be your idea of stardom, but it ain't mine....And this will happen in every other creative endeavor where access controllers can write themselves favorable contracts that allow them to rake in revenue while the so called "stars" scramble to remain in their precarious posts so that they can scrape a living from constant work.... Yeah. Sounds great.... You might have a good contract and think you've made it, but I predict that the dicks who own the access will continue to work their devious little machinations so that eventually every creative endeavor is the indentured servitude equivalent of that blight upon human civilization, American (or Pop or whatever they call it wherever one is) Idol.... We need a new system - or maybe we just need to reshape the system to serve us creative types, not assholes whose only claim to "talent" is old-boy connections.... So let me see if I’ve got this straight – what this is REALLY about is the hegemony-of-access that Big Media has and the new paradigm that allows them to use that hegemony to decide who gets to be stars based on individuals’ abilities at not just music, writing, or (insert “talent” here) but at self-promotion, marketing, and “branding” without any real financial risk to themselves. I’d think hard about that last word’s multiple meanings if I were you….
We’ve already have seen this in the music industry with the rise of college rock in the 1980′s where do-it-oneselfers like REM rose through the ranks to attract the attention of big Music industry – and became rock stars as a result. What has evolved, however, is that “rock stars” rarely make money anymore because the contracts that they must sign to get the all important access that you all so blithely refer to make them pretty much slaves to the hegemonic access controllers. Most rock bands have to stay on the road 50-52 weeks a year to make a living….That may be your idea of stardom, but it ain’t mine….And this will happen in every other creative endeavor where access controllers can write themselves favorable contracts that allow them to rake in revenue while the so called “stars” scramble to remain in their precarious posts so that they can scrape a living from constant work…. Yeah. Sounds great….
You might have a good contract and think you’ve made it, but I predict that the dicks who own the access will continue to work their devious little machinations so that eventually every creative endeavor is the indentured servitude equivalent of that blight upon human civilization, American (or Pop or whatever they call it wherever one is) Idol….
We need a new system – or maybe we just need to reshape the system to serve us creative types, not assholes whose only claim to “talent” is old-boy connections….

]]> By: Sam Smith http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/05/14/the-future-of-newspapers-ii-of-shock-jocks-and-self-made-media-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-1293 Sam Smith Mon, 14 May 2007 17:58:58 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=220#comment-1293 I'm doing all this build Brand Slammy, pretty much. What is so fascinating about all this is as he says - you have the interplay of Big Brand with Individual Brand, people like us using all the tricks at our disposal to attract attention, drawing on associations with bigger organizations, then lending that cred out to new orgs, etc. It was a big deal for a big company - Sirius - when they landed that pondscum Howard Stern, and there are smaller cases all around. The ecology has changed dramatically, in other words. I’m doing all this build Brand Slammy, pretty much.

What is so fascinating about all this is as he says – you have the interplay of Big Brand with Individual Brand, people like us using all the tricks at our disposal to attract attention, drawing on associations with bigger organizations, then lending that cred out to new orgs, etc. It was a big deal for a big company – Sirius – when they landed that pondscum Howard Stern, and there are smaller cases all around.

The ecology has changed dramatically, in other words.

]]> By: Brian Angliss http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/05/14/the-future-of-newspapers-ii-of-shock-jocks-and-self-made-media-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-1292 Brian Angliss Mon, 14 May 2007 15:53:31 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=220#comment-1292 Yeah, well, I don't get paid at all, so brevity keeps me from taking too much chargable time away from my real job. :) Yeah, well, I don’t get paid at all, so brevity keeps me from taking too much chargable time away from my real job. :)

]]> By: whythawk http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/05/14/the-future-of-newspapers-ii-of-shock-jocks-and-self-made-media-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-1291 whythawk Mon, 14 May 2007 15:51:27 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=220#comment-1291 Pretty much exactly, but I get paid by the word, so your abbreviation wouldn't do at all. Pretty much exactly, but I get paid by the word, so your abbreviation wouldn’t do at all.

]]> By: Brian Angliss http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/05/14/the-future-of-newspapers-ii-of-shock-jocks-and-self-made-media-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-1290 Brian Angliss Mon, 14 May 2007 15:41:56 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=220#comment-1290 If I may rephrase so I'm sure I understand, newspapers in general will ultimately survive and prosper because they have access to the sources of news and because they won't have to spend millions of dollars over the long haul to creat a Maureen Dowd or a David Broder, and the Internet will help the traditional news organizations that survive the Great Culling by providing smart people with a built-in following and who need the traditional news outlets to do their actual journalism for them? If you to see what I consider to be an excellent example of the Web working with the traditional news source, check out <a href="http://www.npr.org/" rel="nofollow">National Public Radio</a>. NPR is radio, so it's severely constrained in terms of what duration of stories, multimedia (audio-only), etc. So if a story you hear over the airwaves or streamed to your computer isn't detailed enough, you can go to the website and see the photos that go along with it, listen to an expanded version of an interview, and follow links to massive amounts of additional information and related stories. If I may rephrase so I’m sure I understand, newspapers in general will ultimately survive and prosper because they have access to the sources of news and because they won’t have to spend millions of dollars over the long haul to creat a Maureen Dowd or a David Broder, and the Internet will help the traditional news organizations that survive the Great Culling by providing smart people with a built-in following and who need the traditional news outlets to do their actual journalism for them?

If you to see what I consider to be an excellent example of the Web working with the traditional news source, check out National Public Radio. NPR is radio, so it’s severely constrained in terms of what duration of stories, multimedia (audio-only), etc. So if a story you hear over the airwaves or streamed to your computer isn’t detailed enough, you can go to the website and see the photos that go along with it, listen to an expanded version of an interview, and follow links to massive amounts of additional information and related stories.

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