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	<title>Comments on: Edwards launches &#8220;poverty tour&#8221;; have-mores launch the lie machine</title>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; John, Elizabeth, Rielle and the dumpster fire at the end of the world</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; John, Elizabeth, Rielle and the dumpster fire at the end of the world</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] been reading S&amp;R for awhile, you might remember that at the outset of Campaign 2008 Season I was an enthusiastic Edwards supporter and I was pretty torqued when he finally bowed out. Edwards is an outsider, and there’s not much [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been reading S&amp;R for awhile, you might remember that at the outset of Campaign 2008 Season I was an enthusiastic Edwards supporter and I was pretty torqued when he finally bowed out. Edwards is an outsider, and there’s not much [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; The Left will eat itself - a few thoughts about John Edwards and self-loathing among progressives</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; The Left will eat itself - a few thoughts about John Edwards and self-loathing among progressives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and controlled by the power elite. So the media machine cranked up the distortion and tried to smear him into oblivion with stupid trivialities. Yet, through all that, his message persevered.&#8221; (italics [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and controlled by the power elite. So the media machine cranked up the distortion and tried to smear him into oblivion with stupid trivialities. Yet, through all that, his message persevered.&#8221; (italics [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; Fare you well, John Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; Fare you well, John Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and controlled by the power elite. So the media machine cranked up the distortion and tried to smear him into oblivion with stupid trivialities. Yet, through all that, his message [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; Edwards bows out: sustaining hope in a dirty world</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; Edwards bows out: sustaining hope in a dirty world</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] scrap of opportunity you got. He was born with little and nobody gave him anything, which made the cynical classist attacks on him from people born with everything a little hard to stomach. That mansion? At least he earned it. The million-dollar haircut? How much [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] scrap of opportunity you got. He was born with little and nobody gave him anything, which made the cynical classist attacks on him from people born with everything a little hard to stomach. That mansion? At least he earned it. The million-dollar haircut? How much [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2007 in Review, pt. 5: Politics, whores and the media who love them&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2007 in Review, pt. 5: Politics, whores and the media who love them&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Edwards: He&#8217;s going about it wrong, but he&#8217;s the only candidate among the frontrunners who&#8217;s willing to talk about some of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Edwards: He&#8217;s going about it wrong, but he&#8217;s the only candidate among the frontrunners who&#8217;s willing to talk about some of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Edwards And Poverty: Love The Message, Kill The Messenger &#171; Scholars and Rogues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edwards And Poverty: Love The Message, Kill The Messenger &#171; Scholars and Rogues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first answer is simple: The message Edwards presents is one the moneyed elite classes don&#8217;t want to hear. It&#8217;s obviously antithetical to corporate interests, and the modern media identifies more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] first answer is simple: The message Edwards presents is one the moneyed elite classes don&#8217;t want to hear. It&#8217;s obviously antithetical to corporate interests, and the modern media identifies more [...]</p>
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		<description>[...] Edwards launches &#8220;poverty tour&#8221;; have-mores launch the lie machine [image]John Edwards kicked off Poverty Tour 2007 today. His opponents and a lot of media people who&#8217;d know better [&#8230;] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Edwards launches &#8220;poverty tour&#8221;; have-mores launch the lie machine [image]John Edwards kicked off Poverty Tour 2007 today. His opponents and a lot of media people who&#8217;d know better [&#8230;] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Edwards Gets Hate From The Right AND Left &#171; Scholars and Rogues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edwards Gets Hate From The Right AND Left &#171; Scholars and Rogues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] then John Edwards is a helluva man indeed. Yesterday Sam led an excellent counterattack against the typical media narratives being spun about Edwards.  Today, the shank comes from the left, in the form of Garance [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] then John Edwards is a helluva man indeed. Yesterday Sam led an excellent counterattack against the typical media narratives being spun about Edwards.  Today, the shank comes from the left, in the form of Garance [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lara Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lara Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, about the haircut.  A man must have originally done the story.  Women heard that amount and nodded to themselves &quot;yeah, that&#039;s about right&quot;.  Any special items beyond a cut, such as a color or a treatment, add to a tab quickly.  I know plenty of women who pay $200+ every few months for a cut &amp; color.  If you are doing a special occassion, like a wedding, a cut, makeup, and nails can hit $500.  Add in a facial, waxing, and a massage and you can find yourself approaching $1,000.  These are Denver prices, it would be even worse in New York or LA.

Second, I think the thing that will hold Edwards back is he is too pretty.  He looks young.  Heck, I&#039;ve even wanted to pat him on the head, and I&#039;m way younger than him.  Best thing that could happen to him would be a bicycle accident leaving him with some strategic scars.  &quot;Man him up&quot; a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, about the haircut.  A man must have originally done the story.  Women heard that amount and nodded to themselves &#8220;yeah, that&#8217;s about right&#8221;.  Any special items beyond a cut, such as a color or a treatment, add to a tab quickly.  I know plenty of women who pay $200+ every few months for a cut &amp; color.  If you are doing a special occassion, like a wedding, a cut, makeup, and nails can hit $500.  Add in a facial, waxing, and a massage and you can find yourself approaching $1,000.  These are Denver prices, it would be even worse in New York or LA.</p>
<p>Second, I think the thing that will hold Edwards back is he is too pretty.  He looks young.  Heck, I&#8217;ve even wanted to pat him on the head, and I&#8217;m way younger than him.  Best thing that could happen to him would be a bicycle accident leaving him with some strategic scars.  &#8220;Man him up&#8221; a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Denny Wilkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denny Wilkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point 1: It&#039;s interesting to see stories and blogs that beat up poor Mr. Edwards because he&#039;s a ... well, lawyer. But the lawyers sure support him. They&#039;ve given him about $5.1 million in the presidential fundraising sweepstakes, considerably more than Mr. Obama (about $3.1 million) and Ms. Clinton (about $2.9 million).

Lawyers, like most significant political contributors, tend to hedge their bets (issues be damned!). Republican candidates Giuliani,  McCain and Romney have received each received about $1.1 million. (See: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=K010.)

Point 2: Why is it so difficult to accept the idea that a rich man wants to work on the behalf of the poor? This is a nation that believes in giving: According to onPhilanthropy, &quot;Over the last thirty years, the United States has seen a virtual explosion in the amount of philanthropy provided by its citizens and corporations.  Adjusted for inflation, total philanthropic giving has grown from $91 billion in 1965, to a staggering $260 billion in 2005, a sum greater than the entire gross domestic product of Israel, New Zealand and Jordan combined.&quot; (See: http://www.onphilanthropy.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&amp;id=7099.)

Point 3: What (filthy rich) presidents in the 20th century worked on behalf of the poor? It&#039;s an impressive list. Make up your own.

Point 4: For me, the important consideration regarding Mr. Edwards (or any candidate) is how he will demonstrate &lt;em&gt;before I vote&lt;/em&gt; that he will be able to do what he says he wants to do. Points 1, 2 and 3 pale in comparison to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point 1: It&#8217;s interesting to see stories and blogs that beat up poor Mr. Edwards because he&#8217;s a &#8230; well, lawyer. But the lawyers sure support him. They&#8217;ve given him about $5.1 million in the presidential fundraising sweepstakes, considerably more than Mr. Obama (about $3.1 million) and Ms. Clinton (about $2.9 million).</p>
<p>Lawyers, like most significant political contributors, tend to hedge their bets (issues be damned!). Republican candidates Giuliani,  McCain and Romney have received each received about $1.1 million. (See: <a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=K010" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=K010</a>.)</p>
<p>Point 2: Why is it so difficult to accept the idea that a rich man wants to work on the behalf of the poor? This is a nation that believes in giving: According to onPhilanthropy, &#8220;Over the last thirty years, the United States has seen a virtual explosion in the amount of philanthropy provided by its citizens and corporations.  Adjusted for inflation, total philanthropic giving has grown from $91 billion in 1965, to a staggering $260 billion in 2005, a sum greater than the entire gross domestic product of Israel, New Zealand and Jordan combined.&#8221; (See: <a href="http://www.onphilanthropy.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&#038;id=7099" rel="nofollow">http://www.onphilanthropy.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&#038;id=7099</a>.)</p>
<p>Point 3: What (filthy rich) presidents in the 20th century worked on behalf of the poor? It&#8217;s an impressive list. Make up your own.</p>
<p>Point 4: For me, the important consideration regarding Mr. Edwards (or any candidate) is how he will demonstrate <em>before I vote</em> that he will be able to do what he says he wants to do. Points 1, 2 and 3 pale in comparison to that.</p>
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		<title>By: bethvw</title>
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		<dc:creator>bethvw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, I think it is important that John Edwards is highlighting the huge problem of poverty and socio-economic inequality in America. I am so glad that someone is writing about this, as i have read little about the importance of really doing something to change  this in the media.
i have seen the video &quot;Miniature - earth&quot; http://www.miniature-earth.com/
This does summarize our responsibilities in this area on a global scale, in a way that is difficult to ignore. The statistics have been adapted to reflect current facts. Perhaps he could present his facts in a way that is more difficult to deny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, I think it is important that John Edwards is highlighting the huge problem of poverty and socio-economic inequality in America. I am so glad that someone is writing about this, as i have read little about the importance of really doing something to change  this in the media.<br />
i have seen the video &#8220;Miniature &#8211; earth&#8221; <a href="http://www.miniature-earth.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.miniature-earth.com/</a><br />
This does summarize our responsibilities in this area on a global scale, in a way that is difficult to ignore. The statistics have been adapted to reflect current facts. Perhaps he could present his facts in a way that is more difficult to deny.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, there was a great commentary about &quot;poverty tours&quot; on NPR today.  You might want to check it out:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12017456&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In Rural Poverty Fight, Showing Up is a First Step&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, there was a great commentary about &#8220;poverty tours&#8221; on NPR today.  You might want to check it out:  <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12017456" rel="nofollow">In Rural Poverty Fight, Showing Up is a First Step</a></p>
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		<title>By: quincy</title>
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		<dc:creator>quincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is actually covered by secret service (unlike Edwards, who, contrary to your article&#039;s statement, is not), and I believe he&#039;s still going to the same normal barber he&#039;s had for years on the south side (not that any of this matters at all, just a point of fact)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is actually covered by secret service (unlike Edwards, who, contrary to your article&#8217;s statement, is not), and I believe he&#8217;s still going to the same normal barber he&#8217;s had for years on the south side (not that any of this matters at all, just a point of fact)</p>
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		<title>By: SilverSliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>SilverSliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Clinton allegedly had an expensive haircut while holding up other planes on the tarmack&lt;/i&gt; Ah, but that was in 1996 dollars, and so was only a $200 hair cut! So much more reasonable! See how Extreme this Edwards guy? I bet he even has a house with more than two bedrooms!

Thanks for pointing out the ridiculousness of the distraction technique, and enumerating some counterarguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Clinton allegedly had an expensive haircut while holding up other planes on the tarmack</i> Ah, but that was in 1996 dollars, and so was only a $200 hair cut! So much more reasonable! See how Extreme this Edwards guy? I bet he even has a house with more than two bedrooms!</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing out the ridiculousness of the distraction technique, and enumerating some counterarguments.</p>
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		<title>By: dhelton</title>
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		<dc:creator>dhelton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoughtful tag by Jim Booth.  I suspect Jim tells a tale common to those of us in our 50s and 60s.  My dad was the son of a subsistance farmer in SE Ky.  He managed to make it through high school and college and became a public school teacher.  Even with mom dying when all 4 kids were young , dad managed to raise a doctor, lawyer (me), child psychologist and successful businessman (only the doctor is a Republican).  What Edwards is talking about is hope and opportunity, which the system in the 50s, 60s and 70s gave people.  A kid coming out of college today generally either has well-to-do parents or a dump truck full of debt and no health care.  I agree with Mr. Booth that Edwards is the best candidate at addressing this issue head on.  It&#039;s about sustaining the middle class that is our best and perhaps only bulwark against the oligarchy that the Republicans are fast establishing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughtful tag by Jim Booth.  I suspect Jim tells a tale common to those of us in our 50s and 60s.  My dad was the son of a subsistance farmer in SE Ky.  He managed to make it through high school and college and became a public school teacher.  Even with mom dying when all 4 kids were young , dad managed to raise a doctor, lawyer (me), child psychologist and successful businessman (only the doctor is a Republican).  What Edwards is talking about is hope and opportunity, which the system in the 50s, 60s and 70s gave people.  A kid coming out of college today generally either has well-to-do parents or a dump truck full of debt and no health care.  I agree with Mr. Booth that Edwards is the best candidate at addressing this issue head on.  It&#8217;s about sustaining the middle class that is our best and perhaps only bulwark against the oligarchy that the Republicans are fast establishing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Booth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the mill town boy that Sam alluded to, I suppose I should have something profound to say. As another self-made man, I can relate to John Edwards better than many. But instead I&#039;m going to tell what I know.

I was fortunate enough to grow up in the 1960&#039;s when John Kennedy, another rich man who wanted to help the less fortunate was President. I was the beneficiary of Lyndon B Johnson&#039;s social policies that put corporations into a &quot;help the people who work for them&quot; mode. The textile company my dad and mom both worked for (he as skilled labor, she as an office manager) made grant and scholarship money available for the children of employees who showed smarts and merit.

There was a concerted effort BY CORPORATIONS to put education into the hands of people who might otherwise not have been able to obtain it. This was considered good business - help people get educated and some of them would come to work for you - and the goodwill you created with your practice would make employees loyal customers as well as employees. There weren&#039;t many homes in my home town where the towels, sheets and blankets didn&#039;t come from Fieldcrest, the home town textile giant....

I was smart. I could earn merit. I did.  As a result I was able to get scholarships and grants. Fieldcrest paid for the bulk of my undergraduate education. Because the Federal Government actually supported education in those days (in tangible ways rather than through UNFUNDED MANDATES DESIGNED TO ENRICH THE GODDAM COUSINS OF THE PRESIDENT WHO OWN TEST PUBLISHING BUSINESSES NOT TO MENTION THE PRESIDENT&#039;S GODDAM BROTHER WHO&#039;S IN THE TEST PREP BIZ), I was able to get money for graduate study and earn both a master&#039;s and doctorate. I&#039;ve had a successful career in the academy as a result.

But by the time I earned my doctorate in the mid 1980&#039;s (after spending time &quot;giving back&quot; as a public school teacher - and, of course, as a musician), the Feds had changed their practices. The Reagan administration put the squeeze on colleges and universities to stop them from offering fellowships and grants to deserving students -via the IRS who audited tens of thousands of students (including me) to make sure we weren&#039;t &quot;buying stereos&quot; (remember that goddam lie?) or otherwise wasting our money on frivolous stuff like that - when most of us were living on Ramen noodles to get our degrees.

At the same time &quot;merger mania&quot; and &quot;takeovers&quot; took off and &quot;investment bankers&quot; like Michael Milken and KKR (who took over one of the most benevolent corps. in history, RJ Reynolds and turned it to a money grubbing shit in five years) grabbed control of corporation after corporation. And THE FIRST &quot;efficiency&quot; change they made was to terminate educational assistance programs. Sure, companies still help people with tuition - IF the employee swear an oath of allegiance to the company that usually involves the blood of a first born child.

So the &quot;social conscience&quot; money for education and betterment was gone. Then, to save more money, corporations who had been mainstays of communities for decades were moved to impoverished nations where manufacturing could done ON THE CHEAP. And those loyal employees with industry specific skills were left to either go back to school (to a tech school to learn another trade that might get off-shored) or to sink into poverty.

When Edwards talks about &quot;Two Americas&quot; he&#039;s talking about the America where he and I had the chance to become somebody even though our folks worked in textile mills vs. the America we have now which sees people as the Emperor saw the Roman Mob - as animals to be amused, used, and abused as necessary.

THAT&#039;s the Two Party system we have now - not the Republicans and Democrats but the Patricians and the Plebians. It&#039;s &quot;Republican&quot; Rome. Power in the hands of a wealthy few - and they with far more weapons at their disposal to hold down us Plebians than those ancient Roman Bushes had.

Edwards opposes that - so he&#039;s a target. Hillary and Obama don&#039;t - so they&#039;re not. That Clinton and Obama would even consider using Patrician tactics against Edwards says all that needs to be said about them as candidates OF THE PEOPLE.

Can Edwards be a complete success? No - but neither were FDR and JFK/LBJ. But that doesn&#039;t mean we shouldn&#039;t support him. I&#039;d remind you of the Sir Phillip Sidney quote:

&quot;Who shoots at the mid-day sun, though he be so sure he shall never hit the mark, yet as sure as he is, he shall shoot higher than he who aims at a bush.&quot;

What&#039;s Edwards aiming at? What are the other presidential candidates aiming at? That&#039;s a valid question.

I like what Edwards is aiming at - I&#039;m supporting him....

It&#039;s real easy, people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the mill town boy that Sam alluded to, I suppose I should have something profound to say. As another self-made man, I can relate to John Edwards better than many. But instead I&#8217;m going to tell what I know.</p>
<p>I was fortunate enough to grow up in the 1960&#8242;s when John Kennedy, another rich man who wanted to help the less fortunate was President. I was the beneficiary of Lyndon B Johnson&#8217;s social policies that put corporations into a &#8220;help the people who work for them&#8221; mode. The textile company my dad and mom both worked for (he as skilled labor, she as an office manager) made grant and scholarship money available for the children of employees who showed smarts and merit.</p>
<p>There was a concerted effort BY CORPORATIONS to put education into the hands of people who might otherwise not have been able to obtain it. This was considered good business &#8211; help people get educated and some of them would come to work for you &#8211; and the goodwill you created with your practice would make employees loyal customers as well as employees. There weren&#8217;t many homes in my home town where the towels, sheets and blankets didn&#8217;t come from Fieldcrest, the home town textile giant&#8230;.</p>
<p>I was smart. I could earn merit. I did.  As a result I was able to get scholarships and grants. Fieldcrest paid for the bulk of my undergraduate education. Because the Federal Government actually supported education in those days (in tangible ways rather than through UNFUNDED MANDATES DESIGNED TO ENRICH THE GODDAM COUSINS OF THE PRESIDENT WHO OWN TEST PUBLISHING BUSINESSES NOT TO MENTION THE PRESIDENT&#8217;S GODDAM BROTHER WHO&#8217;S IN THE TEST PREP BIZ), I was able to get money for graduate study and earn both a master&#8217;s and doctorate. I&#8217;ve had a successful career in the academy as a result.</p>
<p>But by the time I earned my doctorate in the mid 1980&#8242;s (after spending time &#8220;giving back&#8221; as a public school teacher &#8211; and, of course, as a musician), the Feds had changed their practices. The Reagan administration put the squeeze on colleges and universities to stop them from offering fellowships and grants to deserving students -via the IRS who audited tens of thousands of students (including me) to make sure we weren&#8217;t &#8220;buying stereos&#8221; (remember that goddam lie?) or otherwise wasting our money on frivolous stuff like that &#8211; when most of us were living on Ramen noodles to get our degrees.</p>
<p>At the same time &#8220;merger mania&#8221; and &#8220;takeovers&#8221; took off and &#8220;investment bankers&#8221; like Michael Milken and KKR (who took over one of the most benevolent corps. in history, RJ Reynolds and turned it to a money grubbing shit in five years) grabbed control of corporation after corporation. And THE FIRST &#8220;efficiency&#8221; change they made was to terminate educational assistance programs. Sure, companies still help people with tuition &#8211; IF the employee swear an oath of allegiance to the company that usually involves the blood of a first born child.</p>
<p>So the &#8220;social conscience&#8221; money for education and betterment was gone. Then, to save more money, corporations who had been mainstays of communities for decades were moved to impoverished nations where manufacturing could done ON THE CHEAP. And those loyal employees with industry specific skills were left to either go back to school (to a tech school to learn another trade that might get off-shored) or to sink into poverty.</p>
<p>When Edwards talks about &#8220;Two Americas&#8221; he&#8217;s talking about the America where he and I had the chance to become somebody even though our folks worked in textile mills vs. the America we have now which sees people as the Emperor saw the Roman Mob &#8211; as animals to be amused, used, and abused as necessary.</p>
<p>THAT&#8217;s the Two Party system we have now &#8211; not the Republicans and Democrats but the Patricians and the Plebians. It&#8217;s &#8220;Republican&#8221; Rome. Power in the hands of a wealthy few &#8211; and they with far more weapons at their disposal to hold down us Plebians than those ancient Roman Bushes had.</p>
<p>Edwards opposes that &#8211; so he&#8217;s a target. Hillary and Obama don&#8217;t &#8211; so they&#8217;re not. That Clinton and Obama would even consider using Patrician tactics against Edwards says all that needs to be said about them as candidates OF THE PEOPLE.</p>
<p>Can Edwards be a complete success? No &#8211; but neither were FDR and JFK/LBJ. But that doesn&#8217;t mean we shouldn&#8217;t support him. I&#8217;d remind you of the Sir Phillip Sidney quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Who shoots at the mid-day sun, though he be so sure he shall never hit the mark, yet as sure as he is, he shall shoot higher than he who aims at a bush.&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s Edwards aiming at? What are the other presidential candidates aiming at? That&#8217;s a valid question.</p>
<p>I like what Edwards is aiming at &#8211; I&#8217;m supporting him&#8230;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s real easy, people.</p>
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		<title>By: whythawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>whythawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem with anyone taking on poverty as an issue.  But what is he planning to do about it?

Let&#039;s put up a list and knock-em-down or prop-em-up depending on how good the ideas are.  Poverty, by the by, is not a disease or some sort of socio-economic malaise.  It is a very distinct symbol of a system that isn&#039;t functioning correctly.

Like a heart-attack is a fantastic indication that one should consider laying off the Big Macs for a while and trying some salad.  Yet we never hear about a &quot;War on Heart-Attacks&quot;.  So what&#039;s this thing about poverty?  Poverty is the symptom.  Lets discuss some causes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with anyone taking on poverty as an issue.  But what is he planning to do about it?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s put up a list and knock-em-down or prop-em-up depending on how good the ideas are.  Poverty, by the by, is not a disease or some sort of socio-economic malaise.  It is a very distinct symbol of a system that isn&#8217;t functioning correctly.</p>
<p>Like a heart-attack is a fantastic indication that one should consider laying off the Big Macs for a while and trying some salad.  Yet we never hear about a &#8220;War on Heart-Attacks&#8221;.  So what&#8217;s this thing about poverty?  Poverty is the symptom.  Lets discuss some causes.</p>
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		<title>By: ToErr</title>
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		<dc:creator>ToErr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can write the script for Smug LImberger (stinking up talk radio) or Shill O&#039;Bully (yells and interrupts people on False News).  Later we&#039;ll hear from Shark Crossdresser (tongue-in-cheek homphobic writer of books for stupied people).  They&#039;ll really fuss about erstwhile Breck Girl/faggot for being a traitor to his and their economic parasite class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can write the script for Smug LImberger (stinking up talk radio) or Shill O&#8217;Bully (yells and interrupts people on False News).  Later we&#8217;ll hear from Shark Crossdresser (tongue-in-cheek homphobic writer of books for stupied people).  They&#8217;ll really fuss about erstwhile Breck Girl/faggot for being a traitor to his and their economic parasite class.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post about a Democrat long shot; I can relate though I am not a Democrat. I support Ron Paul. He opposed the Iraq War from the start, unlike certain Democrats. He is honest and says what he thinks. He stands for personal liberty. I hope that Democrats not satisfied with the current front runners will consider Ron Paul even though he is a Republican. I have noticed that the talk radio personalities that bash Edwards as the &quot;Breck Girl&quot; (e.g., Sean Hannity) also alternate between attacking and ignoring Ron Paul. Republican insiders have excluded Ron Paul from debates only to have his supporters outnumber their audience at the same event in Iowa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post about a Democrat long shot; I can relate though I am not a Democrat. I support Ron Paul. He opposed the Iraq War from the start, unlike certain Democrats. He is honest and says what he thinks. He stands for personal liberty. I hope that Democrats not satisfied with the current front runners will consider Ron Paul even though he is a Republican. I have noticed that the talk radio personalities that bash Edwards as the &#8220;Breck Girl&#8221; (e.g., Sean Hannity) also alternate between attacking and ignoring Ron Paul. Republican insiders have excluded Ron Paul from debates only to have his supporters outnumber their audience at the same event in Iowa.</p>
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		<title>By: dhelton</title>
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		<dc:creator>dhelton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FDR was a rich guy who genuinely wanted to help the poor and, perhaps more importantly for the rest of us, knew that by helping the poor, he was creating the safety nets that would sustain the middle class when they hit a little down turn in their luck.

The theme is all too familiar.  Clinton allegedly had an expensive haircut while holding up other planes on the tarmack.  Kerry was rich and, therefore, a hypocrite.  Gore invented the internet and was a hypocrite.  Hillary is shrill.  Obama is, alternatively, a member of a racist church or part Muslim, etc. etc.  It is more important for the Republican machine to make their base (and anyone else they can snare up) hate the Democrat than to love their guy (whomever they may decide upon).  If you hate or distrust the Democrat you may not vote for the Republican, but you&#039;re sure not to vote for the Democrat.  Works every time.

I certainly hope that Clinton or Obama is not behind this, as Smith perhaps suggests.  It smells too Republican to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDR was a rich guy who genuinely wanted to help the poor and, perhaps more importantly for the rest of us, knew that by helping the poor, he was creating the safety nets that would sustain the middle class when they hit a little down turn in their luck.</p>
<p>The theme is all too familiar.  Clinton allegedly had an expensive haircut while holding up other planes on the tarmack.  Kerry was rich and, therefore, a hypocrite.  Gore invented the internet and was a hypocrite.  Hillary is shrill.  Obama is, alternatively, a member of a racist church or part Muslim, etc. etc.  It is more important for the Republican machine to make their base (and anyone else they can snare up) hate the Democrat than to love their guy (whomever they may decide upon).  If you hate or distrust the Democrat you may not vote for the Republican, but you&#8217;re sure not to vote for the Democrat.  Works every time.</p>
<p>I certainly hope that Clinton or Obama is not behind this, as Smith perhaps suggests.  It smells too Republican to me.</p>
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