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		<title>By: Fare you well, John Edwards &#124; Scholars and Rogues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fare you well, John Edwards &#124; Scholars and Rogues</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] This is not to say that hope is bad, but merely that Obama&#8217;s tremendous success has come from merging much of Edwards&#8217; populist message with his own, more positive rhetoric. In fact, everyone from Clinton to Romney has tried to appeal [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is not to say that hope is bad, but merely that Obama&#8217;s tremendous success has come from merging much of Edwards&#8217; populist message with his own, more positive rhetoric. In fact, everyone from Clinton to Romney has tried to appeal [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; Go home, King Ralph, and take your army of whiners with you</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; Go home, King Ralph, and take your army of whiners with you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] phenomenon as Edwards&#8217; populist message pushing Clinton and Obama further left, even though he himself didn&#8217;t benefit from it. Hell, you can say it&#8217;s the same as bloggers on Daily Kos being more left-tilted than Markos [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] phenomenon as Edwards&#8217; populist message pushing Clinton and Obama further left, even though he himself didn&#8217;t benefit from it. Hell, you can say it&#8217;s the same as bloggers on Daily Kos being more left-tilted than Markos [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Welsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The really wealthy got that way because they are smart, hardworking, insightful and lucky. There is no racket.&quot;

They got there because of deliberate government policy, primarily, and because of the times second.

There has been a huge rise in inequality and the number of rich and the amount of their wealth in the past 35 years, and it didn&#039;t happen because a whole bunch of really good sperm hit really good eggs andmade genetically superior human beings.

Number one error: attributing major changes in a society to individual decisions.

No doubt the reason most Americans were farmers a hundred years ago and the reason most Americans aren&#039;t now is because all those guys individually decided &quot;gee I hate farmwork!&quot;

(Well, they probably did.  But a 100 years ago they would have stayed farmers, along with tons of people who said &quot;gee, I&#039;d love to be rich!&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The really wealthy got that way because they are smart, hardworking, insightful and lucky. There is no racket.&#8221;</p>
<p>They got there because of deliberate government policy, primarily, and because of the times second.</p>
<p>There has been a huge rise in inequality and the number of rich and the amount of their wealth in the past 35 years, and it didn&#8217;t happen because a whole bunch of really good sperm hit really good eggs andmade genetically superior human beings.</p>
<p>Number one error: attributing major changes in a society to individual decisions.</p>
<p>No doubt the reason most Americans were farmers a hundred years ago and the reason most Americans aren&#8217;t now is because all those guys individually decided &#8220;gee I hate farmwork!&#8221;</p>
<p>(Well, they probably did.  But a 100 years ago they would have stayed farmers, along with tons of people who said &#8220;gee, I&#8217;d love to be rich!&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Ghost of Orwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghost of Orwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,
I&#039;m curious as to what kind of &quot;radical political change&quot; you would suggest? Perhaps Edwards has &quot;heard&quot; somehow that many Americans are interested in a liberal party that represents working people, in the same way we have the Labour Party in England.

To make change of any stripe requires sacrifice. Sacrifice and hard work may bring results. However, sacrifice can often be translated as &quot;taxes.&quot;   I would be interested then in looking at where this translation is occuring, why it occurs, and what are countermeasures that progressive people can use to change the frame of the argument?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,<br />
I&#8217;m curious as to what kind of &#8220;radical political change&#8221; you would suggest? Perhaps Edwards has &#8220;heard&#8221; somehow that many Americans are interested in a liberal party that represents working people, in the same way we have the Labour Party in England.</p>
<p>To make change of any stripe requires sacrifice. Sacrifice and hard work may bring results. However, sacrifice can often be translated as &#8220;taxes.&#8221;   I would be interested then in looking at where this translation is occuring, why it occurs, and what are countermeasures that progressive people can use to change the frame of the argument?</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Edwards is showing he</description>
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		<title>By: threebells</title>
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		<dc:creator>threebells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rich nations backlash against globalisation&quot;
Financial Times
July 22 2007

&quot;A popular backlash against globalisation and the leaders of the world</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rich nations backlash against globalisation&#8221;<br />
Financial Times<br />
July 22 2007</p>
<p>&#8220;A popular backlash against globalisation and the leaders of the world</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edwards is showing he&#039;s a leader.

Naturally, the public should take notice and elect him to do the job.

I would like to hear Edwards speak more to the middle-class about &#039;raising all boats&#039; and the American Dream.

It&#039;s more enticing than only saying &#039;Poverty poverty poverty&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edwards is showing he&#8217;s a leader.</p>
<p>Naturally, the public should take notice and elect him to do the job.</p>
<p>I would like to hear Edwards speak more to the middle-class about &#8216;raising all boats&#8217; and the American Dream.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s more enticing than only saying &#8216;Poverty poverty poverty&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The really wealthy got that way because they are smart, hardworking, insightful and lucky. There is no racket.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t have a problem with rewarding smart, hardworking, and insightful, and I&#039;m sure that some of the really wealthy got that way because they were all three.  But last I checked, we taxed the really lucky (lottery winners) pretty heavily.  Yet we&#039;re lowering taxes on the really wealthy and reducing or eliminating the &quot;I&#039;m dying filthy rich and I want my kids to die filthy rich too&quot; tax (aka the estate tax).

There most definitely is a racket.  The political process is inherently biased toward those with money because money has been declared equal to speech.  Corporate personhood has been expanded to give corporations equal Constitutional rights to a real person, meaning that corporations with more money than most countries, and the CEOs and boards of those corporations, have WAY more influence over the political process than most individuals.  NGOs like the Sierra Club are adopting the corporatist approach because they have to in order to influence lawmakers, and in the process the individual communities they represent are losing, not gaining, influence.

The courts are wealthy-friendly because the wealthy can afford to hire massive law teams, high-powered lawyers, and tie up &quot;poorer&quot; opponents in the legal system so long that the poorer side usually loses by default when they run out of money to pay their lawyers.  And it&#039;s generally worse if you&#039;re a minority of one kind or another.

These are just the two biggest examples I can come up with quickly.  If you truly don&#039;t believe that the really wealthy have set up the system so that they stay really wealthy, you&#039;ve either taken their bait hook, line, and sinker, or you&#039;ve got just as much a vested interest in keeping the system the way it is now.  The first can be solved with education, and if you keep coming back, you&#039;ll get educated so long as you&#039;re willing to see reality for what is is.  But if you&#039;re the second, you&#039;re part of the problem that some of us here are going to solve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The really wealthy got that way because they are smart, hardworking, insightful and lucky. There is no racket.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with rewarding smart, hardworking, and insightful, and I&#8217;m sure that some of the really wealthy got that way because they were all three.  But last I checked, we taxed the really lucky (lottery winners) pretty heavily.  Yet we&#8217;re lowering taxes on the really wealthy and reducing or eliminating the &#8220;I&#8217;m dying filthy rich and I want my kids to die filthy rich too&#8221; tax (aka the estate tax).</p>
<p>There most definitely is a racket.  The political process is inherently biased toward those with money because money has been declared equal to speech.  Corporate personhood has been expanded to give corporations equal Constitutional rights to a real person, meaning that corporations with more money than most countries, and the CEOs and boards of those corporations, have WAY more influence over the political process than most individuals.  NGOs like the Sierra Club are adopting the corporatist approach because they have to in order to influence lawmakers, and in the process the individual communities they represent are losing, not gaining, influence.</p>
<p>The courts are wealthy-friendly because the wealthy can afford to hire massive law teams, high-powered lawyers, and tie up &#8220;poorer&#8221; opponents in the legal system so long that the poorer side usually loses by default when they run out of money to pay their lawyers.  And it&#8217;s generally worse if you&#8217;re a minority of one kind or another.</p>
<p>These are just the two biggest examples I can come up with quickly.  If you truly don&#8217;t believe that the really wealthy have set up the system so that they stay really wealthy, you&#8217;ve either taken their bait hook, line, and sinker, or you&#8217;ve got just as much a vested interest in keeping the system the way it is now.  The first can be solved with education, and if you keep coming back, you&#8217;ll get educated so long as you&#8217;re willing to see reality for what is is.  But if you&#8217;re the second, you&#8217;re part of the problem that some of us here are going to solve.</p>
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		<title>By: friendsofjustice</title>
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		<dc:creator>friendsofjustice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right-on about &quot;those icky poor people&quot;--Americans have a problem with people in poverty, and in our country it&#039;s no longer considered heroic to stand up for the underdog.  It&#039;s understood that the underdog deserves to be crushed underfoot because they&#039;re lazy and immoral.  But I think if you start talking about universal health care, that&#039;s a whole &#039;nother ball of wax.  The buzz I hear on the street is that a whole lot of people who hate welfare think the idea of a real national solution for our broken health system is a really great idea.  And when it comes to poor people, the idea that health care is a matter of basic human dignity is a better sell than &quot;give people money to buy booze and cigarettes and lie at home beating their kids.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right-on about &#8220;those icky poor people&#8221;&#8211;Americans have a problem with people in poverty, and in our country it&#8217;s no longer considered heroic to stand up for the underdog.  It&#8217;s understood that the underdog deserves to be crushed underfoot because they&#8217;re lazy and immoral.  But I think if you start talking about universal health care, that&#8217;s a whole &#8216;nother ball of wax.  The buzz I hear on the street is that a whole lot of people who hate welfare think the idea of a real national solution for our broken health system is a really great idea.  And when it comes to poor people, the idea that health care is a matter of basic human dignity is a better sell than &#8220;give people money to buy booze and cigarettes and lie at home beating their kids.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne gilmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne gilmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 05:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is wrong with a man of wealth caring about those less fortunate? You are a typical, ignorant selfish republican swift boating piece of crap who needs to crawl off and die so some other bottom feeding creature can consume your dumb ass!!! You are not even worthy of being called a human!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is wrong with a man of wealth caring about those less fortunate? You are a typical, ignorant selfish republican swift boating piece of crap who needs to crawl off and die so some other bottom feeding creature can consume your dumb ass!!! You are not even worthy of being called a human!</p>
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		<title>By: old dem</title>
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		<dc:creator>old dem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Russ Wellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Wellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 00:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Americans have a very schizophrenic attitude about work.&quot;

&quot;Beaverbrook. . . used to tell his journalists to always address their readers as if they belonged to the class above the one they actually belonged to.&quot;

Lacking the professional credentials of many of you Scholars and Rogues, I&#039;ve spent much of my working and family life among regular working people (lower-middle to middle-class).

Because of that, as well as spending an inordinate amount of energy trying to figure them out, I pride myself on understanding where they&#039;re coming from. But I see you guys do too!

This inspiring thread is a prime example of why I enjoy commenting at Scholar and Rogues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Americans have a very schizophrenic attitude about work.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Beaverbrook. . . used to tell his journalists to always address their readers as if they belonged to the class above the one they actually belonged to.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lacking the professional credentials of many of you Scholars and Rogues, I&#8217;ve spent much of my working and family life among regular working people (lower-middle to middle-class).</p>
<p>Because of that, as well as spending an inordinate amount of energy trying to figure them out, I pride myself on understanding where they&#8217;re coming from. But I see you guys do too!</p>
<p>This inspiring thread is a prime example of why I enjoy commenting at Scholar and Rogues.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Becke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Becke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s essentially a universal feature of poor people everywhere in the &quot;developed world&quot;.

Beaverbrook, a major press baron in the UK around the early and middle  years of the 20th century, used to tell his journalists to always address their readers as if they belonged to the class above the one they actually belonged to. We have our council house Tories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s essentially a universal feature of poor people everywhere in the &#8220;developed world&#8221;.</p>
<p>Beaverbrook, a major press baron in the UK around the early and middle  years of the 20th century, used to tell his journalists to always address their readers as if they belonged to the class above the one they actually belonged to. We have our council house Tories.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ,

That&#039;s an interesting point, actually. How often do you hear someone complaining about illegal immigrants stealing jobs from &quot;hard working&quot; Americans, or how our &quot;hard-earned&quot; tax dollars are being wasted on social programs?

Quite a lot, I&#039;d imagine. Americans have a very schizophrenic attitude about work. We fetishize the idea of working hard, being productive, getting the job done, etc. But yet we venerate the idea of NOT working as the ultimate goal. That comes through in the idolization of CEOs, movie stars, etc., all the way down to unearned income (like capital gains) being more favorably taxed than wages.

It&#039;s that whole Puritanical notion of sacrifice and delayed gratification fused with the anarchocapitalist ideal of profit above all. So the end result is a nation full of angry, frustrated worker bees who focus solely on productivity, and lash out with unfocused resentment when, despite all their efforts, no pot of gold appears for them at the end of the rainbow.

Put more simply, we are a hopelessly dysfunctional nation, and only radical political change combined with social evolution will fix that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an interesting point, actually. How often do you hear someone complaining about illegal immigrants stealing jobs from &#8220;hard working&#8221; Americans, or how our &#8220;hard-earned&#8221; tax dollars are being wasted on social programs?</p>
<p>Quite a lot, I&#8217;d imagine. Americans have a very schizophrenic attitude about work. We fetishize the idea of working hard, being productive, getting the job done, etc. But yet we venerate the idea of NOT working as the ultimate goal. That comes through in the idolization of CEOs, movie stars, etc., all the way down to unearned income (like capital gains) being more favorably taxed than wages.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s that whole Puritanical notion of sacrifice and delayed gratification fused with the anarchocapitalist ideal of profit above all. So the end result is a nation full of angry, frustrated worker bees who focus solely on productivity, and lash out with unfocused resentment when, despite all their efforts, no pot of gold appears for them at the end of the rainbow.</p>
<p>Put more simply, we are a hopelessly dysfunctional nation, and only radical political change combined with social evolution will fix that.</p>
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		<title>By: www.buzzflash.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.buzzflash.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Edwards and poverty: love the message, kill the messenger&lt;/strong&gt;

...Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are taking their cues from John Edwards in sharpening their focus on economic issues. So, here&#039;s the question: If Edwards is the clear leader and thinker on these issues, why is he still trailing so far behind in th...</description>
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<p>&#8230;Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are taking their cues from John Edwards in sharpening their focus on economic issues. So, here&#8217;s the question: If Edwards is the clear leader and thinker on these issues, why is he still trailing so far behind in th&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Wellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Wellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Americans, despite all the evidence to the contrary, do not want to face the fact that they are poor or know what being poor is. We are taught almost from birth to identify with the wealthy as a symbol of success . . .&quot;

Exactly -- most Americans think they&#039;re rich people waiting to happen. When that day comes, they want those tax breaks they don&#039;t resent the rich for, they want no estate tax, the abolition of which they don&#039;t resent the rich for.

When was the last time you heard a person call himself a working person?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Americans, despite all the evidence to the contrary, do not want to face the fact that they are poor or know what being poor is. We are taught almost from birth to identify with the wealthy as a symbol of success . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly &#8212; most Americans think they&#8217;re rich people waiting to happen. When that day comes, they want those tax breaks they don&#8217;t resent the rich for, they want no estate tax, the abolition of which they don&#8217;t resent the rich for.</p>
<p>When was the last time you heard a person call himself a working person?</p>
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		<title>By: Jambo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jambo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The concentration of wealth and the conservative racket designed to protect that concentration&quot;
This is like a hallucination people are having. The really wealthy got that way because they are smart, hardworking, insightful and lucky. There is no racket. The great racket is pandering for votes through the distribution of wealth. Take from the rich and give to the poor....dream on.
&quot;how would all the scum that make a living off of the misery of the poor be...&quot; Isn&#039;t there enough name calling and negativity? One specific example please Blondie, just one?
John Edwards will be lucky to even be a footnote in history. The man with the 30 million dollar house fighting for the poor.
This is what they call the end of Democracy, when the citizens are uninformed, vituperative and manipulated into mistaking slogans for truth.
Those in power now are evil, smug and dangerous; most of those searching for that power now are merely idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The concentration of wealth and the conservative racket designed to protect that concentration&#8221;<br />
This is like a hallucination people are having. The really wealthy got that way because they are smart, hardworking, insightful and lucky. There is no racket. The great racket is pandering for votes through the distribution of wealth. Take from the rich and give to the poor&#8230;.dream on.<br />
&#8220;how would all the scum that make a living off of the misery of the poor be&#8230;&#8221; Isn&#8217;t there enough name calling and negativity? One specific example please Blondie, just one?<br />
John Edwards will be lucky to even be a footnote in history. The man with the 30 million dollar house fighting for the poor.<br />
This is what they call the end of Democracy, when the citizens are uninformed, vituperative and manipulated into mistaking slogans for truth.<br />
Those in power now are evil, smug and dangerous; most of those searching for that power now are merely idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: threebells</title>
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		<dc:creator>threebells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other words, John Edwards is playing the role of a third party candidate from which more prominent candidates will borrow or steal ideas, claim them as their own, and get elected for so doing.  This approach is far more believable than all the hoopla about what a wonderful president John Edwards will make when he can&#039;t get his candidacy off the ground.

John Edward as an issue candidate would get my respect.  In this role, he might even get my sympathy vote just to keep other candidates from feeling that they own the show.

For what it&#039;s worth, neocons want the middle class dead because it is from the middle class, rather than the poor, that social change arises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other words, John Edwards is playing the role of a third party candidate from which more prominent candidates will borrow or steal ideas, claim them as their own, and get elected for so doing.  This approach is far more believable than all the hoopla about what a wonderful president John Edwards will make when he can&#8217;t get his candidacy off the ground.</p>
<p>John Edward as an issue candidate would get my respect.  In this role, he might even get my sympathy vote just to keep other candidates from feeling that they own the show.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, neocons want the middle class dead because it is from the middle class, rather than the poor, that social change arises.</p>
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		<title>By: blondie</title>
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		<dc:creator>blondie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if there were less crime, fewer prisons, lower insurance rates and less garbage food, then how would all the scum that make  a living off of the misery of the poor be? They would have to work like everybody else and our world would be a copy of Sweden  where greed and mistreatment of our fellow human beings would not be tolerated. Oh no, that would mean Socialism- come on sheeple -wake up- capitalism leaves too many people out of the picture and too many that have more than they need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if there were less crime, fewer prisons, lower insurance rates and less garbage food, then how would all the scum that make  a living off of the misery of the poor be? They would have to work like everybody else and our world would be a copy of Sweden  where greed and mistreatment of our fellow human beings would not be tolerated. Oh no, that would mean Socialism- come on sheeple -wake up- capitalism leaves too many people out of the picture and too many that have more than they need.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About like my chances of winning the lottery without buying a ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About like my chances of winning the lottery without buying a ticket.</p>
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