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	<title>Comments on: Ave Maria: the Holy City of Domino&#8217;s Pizza and Christian Soldiers</title>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A positive future America requires diversity. Innovation and cultural growth ceases when we are no longer surrounded by diverse viewpoints. I understand why like-minded people would want to be surrounded by each other. However the ramifications of such isolation could be mindlessness, limited simplistic categories with which to view life, hatred toward other people who are not understood, and the like. If you want to know how this religious-paradigm works once collective power/$ is behind it simply research any of the extremists who are dominating politics around the world (including in D.C.). It always comes down to &quot;us vs. them&quot;.  That is primitive, Neanderthal thinking.  We need to enhance connections not differences.

Regarding secular reporting, it&#039;s about time the other side is heard. Those of you who are &quot;comfortable&quot; with the media probably don&#039;t even realize the privilege that you experience because reporting is so biased towards your own religious values. Some of us sense relief when reading this article, just like others may feel relief when the news speaks casually about the Pope being connected to a magical Deity (which frustrates those who have not been socialized to believe this is true). Bottom line - if you weren&#039;t raised to think what you think, you most likely wouldn&#039;t think it. This means our beliefs are more often randomly assigned than universal truth. Humans do not behave based on values as much as we as a society believe. There are other social contracts in place through collective behavioral norms  and survival instincts that are much stronger than &quot;stated values&quot;. Besides all values are subjectively rationalized anyway (i.e. Salem Witch Trials, and now evil condoms and endorsing wars).  Anyway, though we may feel negatively about our differences, we all need each other for a peaceful world to exist (this assumes most religious people want a peaceful world which may be inaccurate for extremists given the story about the end of the world and salvation etc...).  We don&#039;t need to separate from one another and let the tension build up. And if we saw each other in a supermarket, we would probably smile and say &quot;excuse me&quot; when passing one another, never the while focusing on our differences.  That doesn&#039;t sound so bad to me...but then again neither do condoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A positive future America requires diversity. Innovation and cultural growth ceases when we are no longer surrounded by diverse viewpoints. I understand why like-minded people would want to be surrounded by each other. However the ramifications of such isolation could be mindlessness, limited simplistic categories with which to view life, hatred toward other people who are not understood, and the like. If you want to know how this religious-paradigm works once collective power/$ is behind it simply research any of the extremists who are dominating politics around the world (including in D.C.). It always comes down to &#8220;us vs. them&#8221;.  That is primitive, Neanderthal thinking.  We need to enhance connections not differences.</p>
<p>Regarding secular reporting, it&#8217;s about time the other side is heard. Those of you who are &#8220;comfortable&#8221; with the media probably don&#8217;t even realize the privilege that you experience because reporting is so biased towards your own religious values. Some of us sense relief when reading this article, just like others may feel relief when the news speaks casually about the Pope being connected to a magical Deity (which frustrates those who have not been socialized to believe this is true). Bottom line &#8211; if you weren&#8217;t raised to think what you think, you most likely wouldn&#8217;t think it. This means our beliefs are more often randomly assigned than universal truth. Humans do not behave based on values as much as we as a society believe. There are other social contracts in place through collective behavioral norms  and survival instincts that are much stronger than &#8220;stated values&#8221;. Besides all values are subjectively rationalized anyway (i.e. Salem Witch Trials, and now evil condoms and endorsing wars).  Anyway, though we may feel negatively about our differences, we all need each other for a peaceful world to exist (this assumes most religious people want a peaceful world which may be inaccurate for extremists given the story about the end of the world and salvation etc&#8230;).  We don&#8217;t need to separate from one another and let the tension build up. And if we saw each other in a supermarket, we would probably smile and say &#8220;excuse me&#8221; when passing one another, never the while focusing on our differences.  That doesn&#8217;t sound so bad to me&#8230;but then again neither do condoms.</p>
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		<title>By: Davide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kacy Kaszyk,
Thank you for that post. This article is the result of lazy secular reporting -- paroting the same lines of the times, without actually doing critical research or objective reporting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kacy Kaszyk,<br />
Thank you for that post. This article is the result of lazy secular reporting &#8212; paroting the same lines of the times, without actually doing critical research or objective reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Kacy Kaszyk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kacy Kaszyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 11:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! What prejudice and ignorance you spew! I pray that God opens your hearts and minds to the truth instead of the anti-Catholicism that fills it now. The Catholic Church does not believe that human sexuality is evil as your article above states. It teaches that it is a gift from God and incredibly important to our humanity. Read the Theology of the Body written by Pope John Paul II (Christopher West wrote a great translation/interpretation of it call Naked without Shame). AFTER you have studied this, then explain to me how Catholics believe that human sexuality is evil (this will also answer your accusation that Catholics are against women&#039;s rights). Although free speach is a right, you have a responsibility to do your research and state accurate information, instead of hateful lies!

The same goes for three bells. If you read directly what was said about protestants you would have read that the Catholic church believes that the Protestants share in Jesus&#039; salvation.

The other things you said about the city and university were so absurd that I do not even choose to address them at this time, seeing how unreliable your info is on Catholic beliefs and documents why would I believe a word you said on anything else?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! What prejudice and ignorance you spew! I pray that God opens your hearts and minds to the truth instead of the anti-Catholicism that fills it now. The Catholic Church does not believe that human sexuality is evil as your article above states. It teaches that it is a gift from God and incredibly important to our humanity. Read the Theology of the Body written by Pope John Paul II (Christopher West wrote a great translation/interpretation of it call Naked without Shame). AFTER you have studied this, then explain to me how Catholics believe that human sexuality is evil (this will also answer your accusation that Catholics are against women&#8217;s rights). Although free speach is a right, you have a responsibility to do your research and state accurate information, instead of hateful lies!</p>
<p>The same goes for three bells. If you read directly what was said about protestants you would have read that the Catholic church believes that the Protestants share in Jesus&#8217; salvation.</p>
<p>The other things you said about the city and university were so absurd that I do not even choose to address them at this time, seeing how unreliable your info is on Catholic beliefs and documents why would I believe a word you said on anything else?!?</p>
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		<title>By: threebells</title>
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		<dc:creator>threebells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 03:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny-come-lately Regent lacks legitimate comparison to Catholic schools such as Fordham, Loyola, Villanova, Notre Dame, Boston College, Georgetown, or Xavier.

For what it&#039;s worth, Ave Maria is not the first town in the United States built on religious values.  One hundred and sixty years ago, Mormons founded Salt Lake City.  The difference is that the founders of Salt Lake City were building a religious refuge from scratch while the founder of Ave Maria is imposing his will to build a utopian community that seems to be as much predicated on politics as religion.

A truly interesting question is whether, with a conservative Supreme Court, Ave Maria officials will try to reverse court decisions such as Shelly v. Kraemer (forbidding restrictive real estate covenants), or have cause to get around various prohibitions in The Constitution such as those found in Article IV Section 4 (mandating a republican form of government) and Article VI (barring religious tests for public office).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny-come-lately Regent lacks legitimate comparison to Catholic schools such as Fordham, Loyola, Villanova, Notre Dame, Boston College, Georgetown, or Xavier.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Ave Maria is not the first town in the United States built on religious values.  One hundred and sixty years ago, Mormons founded Salt Lake City.  The difference is that the founders of Salt Lake City were building a religious refuge from scratch while the founder of Ave Maria is imposing his will to build a utopian community that seems to be as much predicated on politics as religion.</p>
<p>A truly interesting question is whether, with a conservative Supreme Court, Ave Maria officials will try to reverse court decisions such as Shelly v. Kraemer (forbidding restrictive real estate covenants), or have cause to get around various prohibitions in The Constitution such as those found in Article IV Section 4 (mandating a republican form of government) and Article VI (barring religious tests for public office).</p>
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		<title>By: Ghost of Orwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghost of Orwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 03:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nobody&#039;s perfect

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070722/ap_on_re_eu/pope_peace

I can&#039;t say I&#039;ve witnessed the protestants do much better</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nobody&#8217;s perfect</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070722/ap_on_re_eu/pope_peace" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070722/ap_on_re_eu/pope_peace</a></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;ve witnessed the protestants do much better</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle,

Yes, but even the stupid can do tremendous damage if they&#039;re placed carefully. Look at how badly corrupted the DOJ is thanks to the efforts of people like Goodling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle,</p>
<p>Yes, but even the stupid can do tremendous damage if they&#8217;re placed carefully. Look at how badly corrupted the DOJ is thanks to the efforts of people like Goodling.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this is setting the stage for another Regent university then don&#039;t worry about it too much.  Remember, they tend to be incompetent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is setting the stage for another Regent university then don&#8217;t worry about it too much.  Remember, they tend to be incompetent.</p>
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		<title>By: threebells</title>
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		<dc:creator>threebells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The newest Pope certainly set the stage for religious apartheid when he clarified papal doctrine by reasserting the primacy of the Catholic Church and as much as said other churches were going to hell.  So much for ecumenism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The newest Pope certainly set the stage for religious apartheid when he clarified papal doctrine by reasserting the primacy of the Catholic Church and as much as said other churches were going to hell.  So much for ecumenism.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Threebells,

Indeed! Many of the articles I referenced for this post mentioned how Ave Maria would bring new jobs and business to the surrounding area. I worry, however, that the bleak future you forecast will come to pass, as the (mostly) white Christian soldiers of the community are feted and fed by the (mostly) not-white retail/service/trade/unskilled job holders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Threebells,</p>
<p>Indeed! Many of the articles I referenced for this post mentioned how Ave Maria would bring new jobs and business to the surrounding area. I worry, however, that the bleak future you forecast will come to pass, as the (mostly) white Christian soldiers of the community are feted and fed by the (mostly) not-white retail/service/trade/unskilled job holders.</p>
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		<title>By: threebells</title>
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		<dc:creator>threebells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to someone with whom I spoke employed by a nearby state university, their student body is growing and there is room for another university in the area.  Moreover, the universities are not competing for the same type of students.

A quick check of demographics for the nearby town of Immokalee reveals that well over one-third of families living in the town have incomes below the officially abysimally low povery level.  The good news would be if the presence of the new university raised the income level within the town.  The bad news would be if, as is the case with several promient Northeastern universities, it became an island of self-serving culture surrounded by a sea of dispair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to someone with whom I spoke employed by a nearby state university, their student body is growing and there is room for another university in the area.  Moreover, the universities are not competing for the same type of students.</p>
<p>A quick check of demographics for the nearby town of Immokalee reveals that well over one-third of families living in the town have incomes below the officially abysimally low povery level.  The good news would be if the presence of the new university raised the income level within the town.  The bad news would be if, as is the case with several promient Northeastern universities, it became an island of self-serving culture surrounded by a sea of dispair.</p>
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