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		<title>By: As noise overwhelms signal, how faithful are your witnesses? &#124; Scholars and Rogues</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/09/18/the-rise-of-subjective-journalism-an-sr-special-report/comment-page-1/#comment-96225</link>
		<dc:creator>As noise overwhelms signal, how faithful are your witnesses? &#124; Scholars and Rogues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the midst of this high-noise, low-signal digital information age one S&amp;R writer called &#8220;Shoutworld,&#8221; no Fair Witness appears to exist. Traditionally &#8220;objective&#8221; sources of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the midst of this high-noise, low-signal digital information age one S&amp;R writer called &#8220;Shoutworld,&#8221; no Fair Witness appears to exist. Traditionally &#8220;objective&#8221; sources of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Predicting the 21st Century: Nostraslammy&#8217;s Ten-Year Review &#171; Lullaby Pit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Predicting the 21st Century: Nostraslammy&#8217;s Ten-Year Review &#171; Lullaby Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We could see the rise of a responsible, ethical advocacy press movement (see my series on the rise of &#8220;subjective&#8221; journalism), but there&#8217;s been no movement so [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We could see the rise of a responsible, ethical advocacy press movement (see my series on the rise of &#8220;subjective&#8221; journalism), but there&#8217;s been no movement so [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; Predicting the 21st Century: Nostraslammy&#8217;s ten-year review</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; Predicting the 21st Century: Nostraslammy&#8217;s ten-year review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We could see the rise of a responsible, ethical advocacy press movement (see my series on the rise of &#8220;subjective&#8221; journalism), but there&#8217;s been no movement so [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We could see the rise of a responsible, ethical advocacy press movement (see my series on the rise of &#8220;subjective&#8221; journalism), but there&#8217;s been no movement so [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A proposed curriculum for graduate study in Interpretive Journalism: an S&#38;R special report &#171; Scholars and Rogues</title>
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		<dc:creator>A proposed curriculum for graduate study in Interpretive Journalism: an S&#38;R special report &#171; Scholars and Rogues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The rise of </description>
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		<title>By: Sam Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/09/18/the-rise-of-subjective-journalism-an-sr-special-report/comment-page-1/#comment-6001</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue isn&#039;t so much that I expect a progressive reader to devote a lot of time to a hard right blog, it&#039;s that we seem to have two choices - hard right and hard left. I generalize, of course, but the point is that most of the sources out there had their minds made up before they started writing, which left a pretty major void in our menu of options. There was no middle ground where real ideas were being considered in good faith.

In other words, it was not as advertised - not even close. It was instead the antithesis of what was advertised, and it made the process worse, not better. It will do so again in 2008.

The collapse of the legacy press, which you comment on, only makes things worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue isn&#8217;t so much that I expect a progressive reader to devote a lot of time to a hard right blog, it&#8217;s that we seem to have two choices &#8211; hard right and hard left. I generalize, of course, but the point is that most of the sources out there had their minds made up before they started writing, which left a pretty major void in our menu of options. There was no middle ground where real ideas were being considered in good faith.</p>
<p>In other words, it was not as advertised &#8211; not even close. It was instead the antithesis of what was advertised, and it made the process worse, not better. It will do so again in 2008.</p>
<p>The collapse of the legacy press, which you comment on, only makes things worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Wellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Wellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ammunition, not information&quot;

Intrigued by the excerpt from Sam&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Editor &amp; Publisher&lt;/em&gt; piece, I followed the link and read the whole article.

The right can&#039;t be expected to read or listen to the left. When I personally read or listen to the right, I gag.

To me, the essential problem is that sources that were once authoritative, such as the &lt;em&gt;New York Times&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Washington Post &lt;/em&gt;have abdicated any pretence to &quot;objectivity&quot; in favor of  &quot;balance.&quot;

The Times, for example, will run slanted articles by their top writers like Judith Miller and Michael Gordon, paving the way for war. Their editorial page, on the other hand, usually takes a traditional liberal stance.

The &lt;em&gt;Washington Post&#039;s &lt;/em&gt;journalism still sets standards, but their editorials are often hard right.

The net effect is to make the reader&#039;s head spin. We know that the oped pages is supposed to refect a diversity of opinion, but other than that. . .  where are these papers coming from?  Why are their articles at odds with their editorials?

Confused, we fall back on sources that confirm our biases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ammunition, not information&#8221;</p>
<p>Intrigued by the excerpt from Sam&#8217;s <em>Editor &amp; Publisher</em> piece, I followed the link and read the whole article.</p>
<p>The right can&#8217;t be expected to read or listen to the left. When I personally read or listen to the right, I gag.</p>
<p>To me, the essential problem is that sources that were once authoritative, such as the <em>New York Times</em> and <em>Washington Post </em>have abdicated any pretence to &#8220;objectivity&#8221; in favor of  &#8220;balance.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Times, for example, will run slanted articles by their top writers like Judith Miller and Michael Gordon, paving the way for war. Their editorial page, on the other hand, usually takes a traditional liberal stance.</p>
<p>The <em>Washington Post&#8217;s </em>journalism still sets standards, but their editorials are often hard right.</p>
<p>The net effect is to make the reader&#8217;s head spin. We know that the oped pages is supposed to refect a diversity of opinion, but other than that. . .  where are these papers coming from?  Why are their articles at odds with their editorials?</p>
<p>Confused, we fall back on sources that confirm our biases.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly agree that the challenge is larger than J schools. But you know me - education is my answer to everything. Not to compare myself to Dubya, but it&#039;s kinda like my version of &quot;9/11.&quot;

The curriculum that this series is leading toward is shaped around the practice of reporting and editorializing, but at its core it addresses more universal principles that any good ed program should cover - how to find data, how to parse good from bad, how to think critically, how to act ethically, etc.

So yeah. Now if we only knew any professors....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly agree that the challenge is larger than J schools. But you know me &#8211; education is my answer to everything. Not to compare myself to Dubya, but it&#8217;s kinda like my version of &#8220;9/11.&#8221;</p>
<p>The curriculum that this series is leading toward is shaped around the practice of reporting and editorializing, but at its core it addresses more universal principles that any good ed program should cover &#8211; how to find data, how to parse good from bad, how to think critically, how to act ethically, etc.</p>
<p>So yeah. Now if we only knew any professors&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Booth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the mention of the power documentary filmmakers have gained in this decade is what makes this piece resonate for me. It feels spot on, and yet we have no &quot;rules of engagement&quot; for discussing whether what Michael Moore and others does good, ill, or nothing to our culture.

Hell, this shouldn&#039;t be limited to J-schools. We need a discipline that explores these new forms of public rhetoric and gives every undergraduate at least one course in critical analysis of the information flowing all around them....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the mention of the power documentary filmmakers have gained in this decade is what makes this piece resonate for me. It feels spot on, and yet we have no &#8220;rules of engagement&#8221; for discussing whether what Michael Moore and others does good, ill, or nothing to our culture.</p>
<p>Hell, this shouldn&#8217;t be limited to J-schools. We need a discipline that explores these new forms of public rhetoric and gives every undergraduate at least one course in critical analysis of the information flowing all around them&#8230;.</p>
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