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	<title>Comments on: Blackwater and the Baby Boomer conscience&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; Blackwater fades into the men in the Greystone suits&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; Blackwater fades into the men in the Greystone suits&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Maybe we&#8217;ll just forget all that our country is and should stand for and become the mindless Gamma workers that all our current policies seemed aimed at making us. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Maybe we&#8217;ll just forget all that our country is and should stand for and become the mindless Gamma workers that all our current policies seemed aimed at making us. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; Blackwater explained for the Dick and Jane crowd&#8230;.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; Blackwater explained for the Dick and Jane crowd&#8230;.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Erik Prince. See Erik Prince dodge responsibility for Blackwater actions. See Erik Prince get rich(er) from Blackwater.Â  See State Department [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Blackwater P.R. campaign: &#8220;we use assault weapons for assault, as God intended&#8230;&#8221; &#171; Scholars and Rogues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackwater P.R. campaign: &#8220;we use assault weapons for assault, as God intended&#8230;&#8221; &#171; Scholars and Rogues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Erik Prince&#8217;s testimony before the House Oversight Committee is to be believed, many of us might see Blackwater as a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Whit Blauvelt</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/10/03/blackwater-and-the-american-conscience/comment-page-1/#comment-2811</link>
		<dc:creator>Whit Blauvelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam: Depends on what &quot;near&quot; is. We&#039;ve already got the robotic planes and some smaller robotic ground vehicles. And we&#039;ve got &quot;wheelchairs&quot; that can walk up and down stairs, so the tech for robots on legs is current stuff.

Since the discussion here is about whether instituting a draft would be good social policy, and since it would likely take longer to institute a draft than it&#039;s going to take to withdraw substantially from Iraq, we need to be building our social policies regarding military service for the next war, not the last one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam: Depends on what &#8220;near&#8221; is. We&#8217;ve already got the robotic planes and some smaller robotic ground vehicles. And we&#8217;ve got &#8220;wheelchairs&#8221; that can walk up and down stairs, so the tech for robots on legs is current stuff.</p>
<p>Since the discussion here is about whether instituting a draft would be good social policy, and since it would likely take longer to institute a draft than it&#8217;s going to take to withdraw substantially from Iraq, we need to be building our social policies regarding military service for the next war, not the last one.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whit: You&#039;re perhaps describing the future, but you aren&#039;t describing the NEAR future. Occupation - and that&#039;s what Iraq is - requires bodies on the ground. Whatever we might think about the future of WarTech, we&#039;re nowhere near having the machinery needed to accomplish what troops are doing in the door-to-door conflict right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whit: You&#8217;re perhaps describing the future, but you aren&#8217;t describing the NEAR future. Occupation &#8211; and that&#8217;s what Iraq is &#8211; requires bodies on the ground. Whatever we might think about the future of WarTech, we&#8217;re nowhere near having the machinery needed to accomplish what troops are doing in the door-to-door conflict right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Whit Blauvelt</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/10/03/blackwater-and-the-american-conscience/comment-page-1/#comment-2784</link>
		<dc:creator>Whit Blauvelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ll soon have no mortality. Our troops - public or private - will have telepresence, running remote-control aircraft, ground craft and robots. Their lives won&#039;t be at risk. But the value of the equipment they&#039;ll be controlling will be immense. At that point salaries will be a small expense compared to loss of equipment. When hardware, rather than bodies, is on the line, there&#039;s little alternative but to fully value it - and pay what it costs for the best operators.

On the other hand, smart, quick-reflexed teenage gamers might volunteer to fight our wars just for the fun of it, and all the free pizza and cola they could want. This will also open up new opportunities for cheerleaders, and for a lurking audience that can cheer them on as they kill the all-too-real-flesh-and-blood enemies in the VR immersion of the battlefield.

Let our enemies play to their pretend audience of gods and angels; we&#039;ll really be there, just as much as our troops will be (which is to say, with a safe and glistening realism from far away), lending support and encouragement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll soon have no mortality. Our troops &#8211; public or private &#8211; will have telepresence, running remote-control aircraft, ground craft and robots. Their lives won&#8217;t be at risk. But the value of the equipment they&#8217;ll be controlling will be immense. At that point salaries will be a small expense compared to loss of equipment. When hardware, rather than bodies, is on the line, there&#8217;s little alternative but to fully value it &#8211; and pay what it costs for the best operators.</p>
<p>On the other hand, smart, quick-reflexed teenage gamers might volunteer to fight our wars just for the fun of it, and all the free pizza and cola they could want. This will also open up new opportunities for cheerleaders, and for a lurking audience that can cheer them on as they kill the all-too-real-flesh-and-blood enemies in the VR immersion of the battlefield.</p>
<p>Let our enemies play to their pretend audience of gods and angels; we&#8217;ll really be there, just as much as our troops will be (which is to say, with a safe and glistening realism from far away), lending support and encouragement.</p>
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		<title>By: euphrosyne1115</title>
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		<dc:creator>euphrosyne1115</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

I wonder what the mortality rate is for a mercenary force versus a volunteer army? If you&#039;re paying a competitive wage for skilled labor, it seems to me you&#039;d want to protect your investment in trained fighters. Maybe they&#039;d even have armor for their vehicles... oh wait. The mercenaries do.

Meanwhile, the counselors at low-income high schools plaster the crumbling walls with recruiting posters. But that&#039;s a different post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>I wonder what the mortality rate is for a mercenary force versus a volunteer army? If you&#8217;re paying a competitive wage for skilled labor, it seems to me you&#8217;d want to protect your investment in trained fighters. Maybe they&#8217;d even have armor for their vehicles&#8230; oh wait. The mercenaries do.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the counselors at low-income high schools plaster the crumbling walls with recruiting posters. But that&#8217;s a different post.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/10/03/blackwater-and-the-american-conscience/comment-page-1/#comment-2788</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin - no kidding.  And yet, somehow, we think that this is &lt;em&gt;cheaper&lt;/em&gt; than a larger military?  WTF?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin &#8211; no kidding.  And yet, somehow, we think that this is <em>cheaper</em> than a larger military?  WTF?!</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/10/03/blackwater-and-the-american-conscience/comment-page-1/#comment-2787</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if we paid our soldiers what these mercs make, you&#039;d have no problems fielding a full military force for almost any engagement. It astonishes me to think that your average grunt barely makes enough to get beyond the poverty level, and yet we gleefully outsource the EXACT SAME OPERATIONS to companies that pay their mercs in the high five (and sometimes low six) figures--with our tax dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if we paid our soldiers what these mercs make, you&#8217;d have no problems fielding a full military force for almost any engagement. It astonishes me to think that your average grunt barely makes enough to get beyond the poverty level, and yet we gleefully outsource the EXACT SAME OPERATIONS to companies that pay their mercs in the high five (and sometimes low six) figures&#8211;with our tax dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: hermesten</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/10/03/blackwater-and-the-american-conscience/comment-page-1/#comment-2789</link>
		<dc:creator>hermesten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this:  we pretend like we really believe all the BS about capitalism and free markets, and we pay the actual volunteer military a market wage --i.e.  we pay our soldiers what we pay our mercenaries.  Obviously, there are plenty of people willing to go to Iraq for the right money.  Let&#039;s cut Mr. Prince and Dubya&#039;s other wacko fat-cat buddies out of the loop. Instead of using the lives of our children as bartering chips with a draft, make war more expensive by paying the military a market wage.  Of course, really, all of this is pie-in-the-sky talk.  We got a bunch of corrupt thugs entrenched in power, and they&#039;re not going to give it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this:  we pretend like we really believe all the BS about capitalism and free markets, and we pay the actual volunteer military a market wage &#8211;i.e.  we pay our soldiers what we pay our mercenaries.  Obviously, there are plenty of people willing to go to Iraq for the right money.  Let&#8217;s cut Mr. Prince and Dubya&#8217;s other wacko fat-cat buddies out of the loop. Instead of using the lives of our children as bartering chips with a draft, make war more expensive by paying the military a market wage.  Of course, really, all of this is pie-in-the-sky talk.  We got a bunch of corrupt thugs entrenched in power, and they&#8217;re not going to give it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/10/03/blackwater-and-the-american-conscience/comment-page-1/#comment-2808</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pinkertons.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pinkertons&lt;/a&gt; still exist, BTW.  They&#039;re providing security for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/06/18/no-fence-physical-or-virtual-will-ever-control-the-border/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Project 28&lt;/a&gt; along the Mexican border.

Yes, the virtual border fence needs to be guarded by private security guards so smugglers don&#039;t destroy it before it&#039;s operational.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.pinkertons.com/" rel="nofollow">Pinkertons</a> still exist, BTW.  They&#8217;re providing security for <a href="http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/06/18/no-fence-physical-or-virtual-will-ever-control-the-border/" rel="nofollow">Project 28</a> along the Mexican border.</p>
<p>Yes, the virtual border fence needs to be guarded by private security guards so smugglers don&#8217;t destroy it before it&#8217;s operational.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a kid in the forties the closest &quot;four&quot; letter words available were Hessians and Pinkertons. &#039;nuff said</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a kid in the forties the closest &#8220;four&#8221; letter words available were Hessians and Pinkertons. &#8217;nuff said</p>
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		<title>By: joecgillis</title>
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		<dc:creator>joecgillis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to go back and find out how much Rumsfeld and Cheney had to do with the change from the draft to a volunteer force.  They have certainly worked the system well in regards to war profiteering and influence peddling.  In these free market=besotted times, few seem to recognize the folly of putting military force, whether for international or domestic police actions, on a for-profit basis and how that alters the likelihood of the new, purchasable power being used for obviously anti-democratic ends.  To me it is as if Rumsfeld and Cheney are the Leopold and Loeb of our age, conducting a little experiment on the USA ( in the place of Bobby Franks) just to see if they can do it and of course to garner some loot in the bargain.  Of course history would accord criminality of that magnitude a high place, assuring that Rumsfeld and Cheney--and perhaps their instrument ,Bush-- would be remembered with the greats, in spite of their obvious limits and gutter-level aims, as the guys who took the USA down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to go back and find out how much Rumsfeld and Cheney had to do with the change from the draft to a volunteer force.  They have certainly worked the system well in regards to war profiteering and influence peddling.  In these free market=besotted times, few seem to recognize the folly of putting military force, whether for international or domestic police actions, on a for-profit basis and how that alters the likelihood of the new, purchasable power being used for obviously anti-democratic ends.  To me it is as if Rumsfeld and Cheney are the Leopold and Loeb of our age, conducting a little experiment on the USA ( in the place of Bobby Franks) just to see if they can do it and of course to garner some loot in the bargain.  Of course history would accord criminality of that magnitude a high place, assuring that Rumsfeld and Cheney&#8211;and perhaps their instrument ,Bush&#8211; would be remembered with the greats, in spite of their obvious limits and gutter-level aims, as the guys who took the USA down.</p>
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		<title>By: Whit Blauvelt</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/10/03/blackwater-and-the-american-conscience/comment-page-1/#comment-2805</link>
		<dc:creator>Whit Blauvelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does a draft solve? You end up with more army available faster for foreign adventures; and a less professional army at that. I recognize the necessity of armies and wars. But Nam, with a draft, still killed many more people on all sides than Iraq, without one. It wasn&#039;t the draft protesters who ended Nam, it was the damage to the national economy. We&#039;re about the see the same motivation finally end the Iraq occupation.

The boomers responsible for Iraq are the ones in the press, who should have known better than to enable another war on false pretenses. Specifically, Judith Miller, given the front page of the Times, set the tone that the rest of the media happily sang along with. It was a time when we needed to be at war, but Iraq was the wrong battlefield at the wrong time. So the pacifist boomers ended up being right about Iraq, but were overall wrong, so couldn&#039;t be leaders. And the boomers cognizant of the need of war then didn&#039;t have good information, since even the liberal press was criminally complicit in the Cheney disinformation campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does a draft solve? You end up with more army available faster for foreign adventures; and a less professional army at that. I recognize the necessity of armies and wars. But Nam, with a draft, still killed many more people on all sides than Iraq, without one. It wasn&#8217;t the draft protesters who ended Nam, it was the damage to the national economy. We&#8217;re about the see the same motivation finally end the Iraq occupation.</p>
<p>The boomers responsible for Iraq are the ones in the press, who should have known better than to enable another war on false pretenses. Specifically, Judith Miller, given the front page of the Times, set the tone that the rest of the media happily sang along with. It was a time when we needed to be at war, but Iraq was the wrong battlefield at the wrong time. So the pacifist boomers ended up being right about Iraq, but were overall wrong, so couldn&#8217;t be leaders. And the boomers cognizant of the need of war then didn&#8217;t have good information, since even the liberal press was criminally complicit in the Cheney disinformation campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>euphrosyne1115: True, except the Boomers started acting this way back in the early &#039;80s, well BEFORE they became the entrenched power gen.

I guess you have to act the part of what you WANT to be, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>euphrosyne1115: True, except the Boomers started acting this way back in the early &#8217;80s, well BEFORE they became the entrenched power gen.</p>
<p>I guess you have to act the part of what you WANT to be, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

AHHHH! I get it. By imposing a draft, it&#039;ll wake the young out of their slumber and push them to actively protest. Makes good sense. It&#039;s a shame that it would have to come to that, but people are generally selfishly motivated, and war is a lot less attractive if you&#039;re the one who has to fight it.

Very nicely played. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>AHHHH! I get it. By imposing a draft, it&#8217;ll wake the young out of their slumber and push them to actively protest. Makes good sense. It&#8217;s a shame that it would have to come to that, but people are generally selfishly motivated, and war is a lot less attractive if you&#8217;re the one who has to fight it.</p>
<p>Very nicely played. <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: LenC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LenC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 06:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who was really around remembers Vietnam ended largely because officers feared VC sappers less than a fragging from their own platoons.  Plenty of available H allowed them to escape the horrors of their own deeds but put them at odds with &quot;the mission.&quot;  If today&#039;s volunteer army would spit out the mouthful they&#039;ve been fed it would be a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who was really around remembers Vietnam ended largely because officers feared VC sappers less than a fragging from their own platoons.  Plenty of available H allowed them to escape the horrors of their own deeds but put them at odds with &#8220;the mission.&#8221;  If today&#8217;s volunteer army would spit out the mouthful they&#8217;ve been fed it would be a start.</p>
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		<title>By: euphrosyne1115</title>
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		<dc:creator>euphrosyne1115</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 05:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 04:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>National service, baby.  National service.

(Not necessarily national draft, but that&#039;d be an option, of course.)</description>
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<p>(Not necessarily national draft, but that&#8217;d be an option, of course.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Booth</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/10/03/blackwater-and-the-american-conscience/comment-page-1/#comment-2797</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re missing a couple of points, Martin:

1) Bastards like Ford and the IBM execs are readily available for every war - profiteering goes back to the pharoahs. As for the politics, that&#039;s as usual the province of demagogues and weasels.

2) When the call came (and we can argue about whether they should have done so sooner until the cows come home), the greatest generation stood up and did what had to be done to defend this country. My generation did, too - against the stupidity and greed that was Vietnam and the M-I Complex. Then we turned into money grubbing swine. We can, however, end well if we make some effort to stop Blackwater, Bush, et. al.

3) I noted that it&#039;s about energy resources. And that&#039;s got to be solved with good old American ingenuity and technology - not with bullets, as I state. We&#039;re on the same page....

4) I&#039;d advise my sons to resist the draft and protest like hell against this unjust war. I did against mine. Got arrested 3 times. Do I want them used for Big Oil cannon fodder? Hell, no. And neither will my contemporaries want their kids used so. THAT&#039;S how to get some traction with these other issues. Nothing makes you politically active and committed to regime change like some dumb SOB trying to send you - or your kids - off to die for corporate profit.... If the Boomers step up on this, things will happen. We&#039;ve got money and that gets power. What we need is motivation....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re missing a couple of points, Martin:</p>
<p>1) Bastards like Ford and the IBM execs are readily available for every war &#8211; profiteering goes back to the pharoahs. As for the politics, that&#8217;s as usual the province of demagogues and weasels.</p>
<p>2) When the call came (and we can argue about whether they should have done so sooner until the cows come home), the greatest generation stood up and did what had to be done to defend this country. My generation did, too &#8211; against the stupidity and greed that was Vietnam and the M-I Complex. Then we turned into money grubbing swine. We can, however, end well if we make some effort to stop Blackwater, Bush, et. al.</p>
<p>3) I noted that it&#8217;s about energy resources. And that&#8217;s got to be solved with good old American ingenuity and technology &#8211; not with bullets, as I state. We&#8217;re on the same page&#8230;.</p>
<p>4) I&#8217;d advise my sons to resist the draft and protest like hell against this unjust war. I did against mine. Got arrested 3 times. Do I want them used for Big Oil cannon fodder? Hell, no. And neither will my contemporaries want their kids used so. THAT&#8217;S how to get some traction with these other issues. Nothing makes you politically active and committed to regime change like some dumb SOB trying to send you &#8211; or your kids &#8211; off to die for corporate profit&#8230;. If the Boomers step up on this, things will happen. We&#8217;ve got money and that gets power. What we need is motivation&#8230;.</p>
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