Must have forgot his earlier post:
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nokomisjeff, October 4, 2007 at 6:28 pm :

Out of curiosity, what reliable source can you cite that proves Limbaugh is a chickenhawk….Just curious

Jeff
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So, what reliable source can You cite, that proves most people are conservative?

There isn’t one.

First, you wait almost a week to comment on something I’d written.

Then, it was old “Help Mr Moderator, the mean ole Liberal is beating up the poor helpless Republican” ploy.

Then, it was the “Well, it must have been childhood problems” deflection. heh heh

You’re quite amusing. Inventive too. Almost like something BillO or Rush would come up with.

As for my previous comment, it’s interesting that you take exception to something like. Does that mean you’re outraged at the Republican and conservative policies that are responsible for the deaths of over 1 million Iraqis? Or the displacement of 4-5 million Iraqis?

The conservative philosophy which the current Republicans since Goldwater ascribe to is such a complete disaster for themselves and worse yet for the country. It can be summed up as follows: “The most desperate, despicable, seedy, grubby, hopeless, lying, hideously incompetent bunch of third rate, double-dealing disasters this great nation has ever seen. For too many, morality means not getting caught.

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“[Gil Carter reading Martin's letter]
Gil Carter: “My dear Wife, Mr. Davies will tell you what’s happening here tonight. He’s a good man and has done everything he can for me. I suppose there are some other good men here, too, only they don’t seem to realize what they’re doing. They’re the ones I feel sorry for. ‘Cause it’ll be over for me in a little while, but they’ll have to go on remembering for the rest of their lives. A man just naturally can’t take the law into his own hands and hang people without hurtin’ everybody in the world, ’cause then he’s just not breaking one law but all laws. Law is a lot more than words you put in a book, or judges or lawyers or sheriffs you hire to carry it out. It’s everything people ever have found out about justice and what’s right and wrong. It’s the very conscience of humanity. There can’t be any such thing as civilization unless people have a conscience, because if people touch God anywhere, where is it except through their conscience? And what is anybody’s conscience except a little piece of the conscience of all men that ever lived? I guess that’s all I’ve got to say except kiss the babies for me and God bless you. Your husband, Donald.”

I’ve been watching some of Henry Fonda’s movies lately. His roles usually reflected his views on things. The Ox-Bow Incident, Fail Safe, and The Best Man are good examples of that. Btw, during the McCarthy era, Fonda went out of his way to be photographed shaking hands with people who were blacklisted, and for that the government took his passport.

As far as liberal radio, some tactical mistakes by Sheldon Drobny, the founder, hurt it in the long run, but in head-to-head matchups in markets, it held its own. But again, the deck seemed to be stacked against it when most of the radio stations are owned by conservatives like Clear Channel and getting equal time was difficult. Like I said before, conservatives can’t debate anything because they’d lose the battle of ideas. Too bad the Dems let Reagan do away with the equal time provision back in the 80s. Even then, they still didn’t know what they were doing.

Ps: Btw, Anne “Stick” Coultergiest was recently named the most unsexiest man of the year.

The point is more that when you look at these groups, you rarely walk away thinking that they’re exactly like each other except for how they vote. By definition they’re drawn to different value sets (jeez, isn’t that what every Republican pol for last 20 years has been telling us, after all?)

I don’t know what you mean when you said there were cultural and educational differences between garden- variety left and right people. Are liberals smarter than conservatives? Is a garden variety liberal smarter than a William F. Buckley Jr, Milton Friedman, or George Will? Most of my friends are liberal, and I don’t think they’re smarter than me:) They all think they are smarter, so that might be the difference.

I regret the demise of liberal talk radio. It has provided me with endless hours of entertainment.

Jeff

If you compare the garden-variety hard-right “conservative” – and forgive the overgeneralizations for a minute – with the garden-variety “liberal,” you’re looking at a lot more than political difference. You’re looking at cultural differences, you’re looking at differences in educational experiences, and so on.

Also, we’ve had some years to adapt to what we think certain media ARE. I was a lot more likely to call talk radio 15 years ago than I am now, because over that period radio has pretty much established that it’s not for people like me. Even when something like Air America goes on the air, I don’t really expect it to succeed – at least not to the extent that right-talkers have.

I imagine this is one McLuhan would have a field day with if he were still around.

Jeff

The agenda of our corporate-owned press is not to “inform” or educate citizens; It is not profitable. Infotainment “news” bring in profits. Sensationalism attracts viewers, the more viewers the more revenue. Advertising is big business. That’s the bottom line: news for profit — which I have no problem with profit, except when it comes to the news. An informed society makes educated choices; otherwise democracy cannot survive.

Currently about 6 – 8 mega-corporations regulate the flow of information. They literally own, thus control, the news media: TV, cable, magazines, newspapers, radio stations, etc. Additionally they own publishing & literary houses, movies, music, et al. They are powerful — too much so. IMHO

And because the FCC (?) regulates how much one company can own in a market-district they pander to gain favour with the government.

Add to the mix advertisers threatening to pull their ads if the content or an article is not to their approval.

And last but not least the telecom industries attempts to control the internet which means they can charge higher prices and determine what customers are allowed to access on-line. Imagine the US government cutting off access — like China — to certain sites. Each passing day the controls are tightening. This is not an if — but when — it is only a matter of time.

Dominated by outside influence and pressure, corporations also have their own image to protect. Thus manipulating information by omission, censure, construe “facts”, spin, misinformation etc. become necessary tools to keep the public under control.

All of which are very, very, very unhealthy — even fatal — for a democracy.

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** Len,

Rush Limbaugh conditions people. His methods on some level might even be considered brainwashing. It is not uncommon.

While he carries on with his daily tribe his listeners, not all, get a “rush” — ergo the name “Rush”. His followers would probably have withdrawal symptoms without their daily fix. Iam serious — i really believe that is — at least in part — why people watch O’Reilly, listen to Limbaugh, or read Michael Savage etc… and/or others who stir up their e_motions. It allows them to vent. However those media personalities are steering their readers, listeners and/or viewers to vent at a specific target which is a distraction from dealing with personal issues.

Furthermore the more one grows dependent on other’s opinions the more powerless one becomes and insecure, yes. Powerlessness translates into handicapped skeptical, independent thinkers. In contrast self-empowerment allows us to search and discover solutions.

The nation’s rational political dialogue is thwarted and impeded by media personalities. The Rush Limbaughs, the Bill O’Reillys and the Ann Coulters influence comes with a high price — at our expense. IMHO

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Oh and btw, from Scott Horton . . . .
Orwell on Delusional Political Thinking