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	<title>Comments on: E-voting company slapped with lawsuits for terminal stupidity</title>
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	<description>Think.  It ain&#039;t illegal yet...</description>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

Another valid point. I tend to think of that phrase for use in describing such right-wing constructs as you describe, but a frame is a frame is a frame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>Another valid point. I tend to think of that phrase for use in describing such right-wing constructs as you describe, but a frame is a frame is a frame.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be careful of using the &quot;junk science&quot; statement, Martin, lest you be associated with Junkscience.com, the purveyors of &quot;tobacco smoke isn&#039;t dangerous for you&quot; and &quot;pesticides aren&#039;t dangerous when you eat them&quot; and &quot;global warming isn&#039;t real and there is no scientific consensus that it&#039;s even real&quot;.

Besides, calling something &quot;junk science&quot; or for &quot;sound science&quot; is a frighteningly effective frame that was created by Philip Morris in the 1990s to fight tobacco legislation.  Be careful when using a right-wing frame.

Just a little foreshadowing for next week.... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be careful of using the &#8220;junk science&#8221; statement, Martin, lest you be associated with Junkscience.com, the purveyors of &#8220;tobacco smoke isn&#8217;t dangerous for you&#8221; and &#8220;pesticides aren&#8217;t dangerous when you eat them&#8221; and &#8220;global warming isn&#8217;t real and there is no scientific consensus that it&#8217;s even real&#8221;.</p>
<p>Besides, calling something &#8220;junk science&#8221; or for &#8220;sound science&#8221; is a frighteningly effective frame that was created by Philip Morris in the 1990s to fight tobacco legislation.  Be careful when using a right-wing frame.</p>
<p>Just a little foreshadowing for next week&#8230;. <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JS,

You would think, right? Yet e-voting proponents react to the idea of paper audit trails like you suggested they share needles with a junkie for fun. Read through my debate with Castro and his paper--these companies know that their products are defective, but are pushing junk science to debunk the idea of paper trails in order to cover up their own machines&#039; faults. 

It&#039;s ludicrous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JS,</p>
<p>You would think, right? Yet e-voting proponents react to the idea of paper audit trails like you suggested they share needles with a junkie for fun. Read through my debate with Castro and his paper&#8211;these companies know that their products are defective, but are pushing junk science to debunk the idea of paper trails in order to cover up their own machines&#8217; faults. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s ludicrous.</p>
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		<title>By: JS O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I must be missing something.  It seems to me that the whole electronic voting issue could be solved with a simple fix.

Surely, it&#039;s more efficient and easier to vote electronically than to use paper systems.  The problem is that the lack of a paper trail makes software mistakes or fraud much more likely.

Why not have every electronic voting machine print out the voter&#039;s choices on a paper record?  The voter could then verify the choices and drop this printed ballot into a ballot box so the results could be checked at a future date, if necessary.

It seems so simple, I must be missing something. Right?  Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I must be missing something.  It seems to me that the whole electronic voting issue could be solved with a simple fix.</p>
<p>Surely, it&#8217;s more efficient and easier to vote electronically than to use paper systems.  The problem is that the lack of a paper trail makes software mistakes or fraud much more likely.</p>
<p>Why not have every electronic voting machine print out the voter&#8217;s choices on a paper record?  The voter could then verify the choices and drop this printed ballot into a ballot box so the results could be checked at a future date, if necessary.</p>
<p>It seems so simple, I must be missing something. Right?  Right?</p>
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