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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; Why I am for Obama: It&#8217;s more than just the man, it&#8217;s the movement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; Why I am for Obama: It&#8217;s more than just the man, it&#8217;s the movement</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] tools and paeans to togetherness, unity, and an end to divisiveness&#8211;and they&#8217;ve responded in incredible numbers. Every primary is the same&#8211;youth turnout is off the charts, and they&#8217;re breaking for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jackpine savage</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackpine savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post.  I&#039;ve been amused by the generational conflict angle creeping into this election cycle.  Obama may be a fool for concentrating his efforts on the &quot;youth&quot; vote; after all, they are notorious for being electorally significant until they have something better to do on voting day.

A recent article (i cannot remember what or where) suggested that the X voters are concerned with practical problem solving over political victory.  I am not an avatar of my generation, but that is, indeed, how i feel.  After seeing Obama on the Daily Show, i came away with a different view of him.  Rather than policy pronouncements, he seems to be concerned with process.  If that is the case, it explains some of his fluid policy goals.  If this whole paragraph is true, then it points to the nexus of Obama and generation X.

However, turning that nexus into a generational conflict for electoral purposes is deeply flawed.  Preaching to a small, often politically amotivated choir will only land Obama in the dustbin of history.  Rather than letting himself get tangled in policy debate that he cannot win by virtue of being process, rather than policy, oriented, he should be standing on his process orientation.  He wouldn&#039;t lose the youth vote, and he might gain a wider audience.  After all, it is not just the young who are fed up with politics as usual.

And the fact of the matter is that he will lose a generational battle.  Jim Morrison, in the throes of his revolutionary youth divinity complex, cried that &quot;they got the guns, but we got the numbers.&quot;  History has turned we into they; now they have both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.  I&#8217;ve been amused by the generational conflict angle creeping into this election cycle.  Obama may be a fool for concentrating his efforts on the &#8220;youth&#8221; vote; after all, they are notorious for being electorally significant until they have something better to do on voting day.</p>
<p>A recent article (i cannot remember what or where) suggested that the X voters are concerned with practical problem solving over political victory.  I am not an avatar of my generation, but that is, indeed, how i feel.  After seeing Obama on the Daily Show, i came away with a different view of him.  Rather than policy pronouncements, he seems to be concerned with process.  If that is the case, it explains some of his fluid policy goals.  If this whole paragraph is true, then it points to the nexus of Obama and generation X.</p>
<p>However, turning that nexus into a generational conflict for electoral purposes is deeply flawed.  Preaching to a small, often politically amotivated choir will only land Obama in the dustbin of history.  Rather than letting himself get tangled in policy debate that he cannot win by virtue of being process, rather than policy, oriented, he should be standing on his process orientation.  He wouldn&#8217;t lose the youth vote, and he might gain a wider audience.  After all, it is not just the young who are fed up with politics as usual.</p>
<p>And the fact of the matter is that he will lose a generational battle.  Jim Morrison, in the throes of his revolutionary youth divinity complex, cried that &#8220;they got the guns, but we got the numbers.&#8221;  History has turned we into they; now they have both.</p>
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		<title>By: Darkasa.Com &#187; Obama and the false war of generational dynamics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darkasa.Com &#187; Obama and the false war of generational dynamics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Russ Wellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Wellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 04:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Returning to the baby boomers for a minute, one of my first impressions on reaching political maturity in 1968 at age 18 was this: most of my generation was into the counterculture for the sex, drugs and rock &#039;n roll. They had no interest in politics (though some liked throwing fire bombs at campus buildings).

Others were interested in the environment and organic lifestyle; others the spiritual, such as post-psychedelic Zen. (If you&#039;re wondering where I&#039;m going, hold on, I&#039;m getting there.)

Virtually nobody I ever met (just those I read about in magazines)  combined free sex, drugs, rock &#039;n roll, the spritual, and the environment and vegetarianism in one.

To most, the counterculture was just one big buffet. And the political was like a Waldorf salad, passed over by most.

In other words, they weren&#039;t holistic, if you will. 

Obama, with his views all over the place, seems just as fragmented. Like the average citizen -- &lt;em&gt;no matter what his generation&lt;/em&gt; -- he doesn&#039;t seem to understand the importance of making his views consistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Returning to the baby boomers for a minute, one of my first impressions on reaching political maturity in 1968 at age 18 was this: most of my generation was into the counterculture for the sex, drugs and rock &#8216;n roll. They had no interest in politics (though some liked throwing fire bombs at campus buildings).</p>
<p>Others were interested in the environment and organic lifestyle; others the spiritual, such as post-psychedelic Zen. (If you&#8217;re wondering where I&#8217;m going, hold on, I&#8217;m getting there.)</p>
<p>Virtually nobody I ever met (just those I read about in magazines)  combined free sex, drugs, rock &#8216;n roll, the spritual, and the environment and vegetarianism in one.</p>
<p>To most, the counterculture was just one big buffet. And the political was like a Waldorf salad, passed over by most.</p>
<p>In other words, they weren&#8217;t holistic, if you will. </p>
<p>Obama, with his views all over the place, seems just as fragmented. Like the average citizen &#8212; <em>no matter what his generation</em> &#8212; he doesn&#8217;t seem to understand the importance of making his views consistent.</p>
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		<title>By: Obama and the false war of generational dynamics &#124; Political news - democrats republicans socialists greens liberals conservatives</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 04:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin: I&#039;ve been studying X hard since the early &#039;90s. I&#039;m not THE expert, by any stretch, but understanding a bit about generational behavior is part of what I do for a living. For what that&#039;s worth, I&#039;d say your answer is precisely what I&#039;d expect of a smart member of our generation. You didn&#039;t get to be the kind of thinker you are by accident, and what you&#039;re doing here isn&#039;t new - it&#039;s been a recognizable trait of the cohort for a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin: I&#8217;ve been studying X hard since the early &#8217;90s. I&#8217;m not THE expert, by any stretch, but understanding a bit about generational behavior is part of what I do for a living. For what that&#8217;s worth, I&#8217;d say your answer is precisely what I&#8217;d expect of a smart member of our generation. You didn&#8217;t get to be the kind of thinker you are by accident, and what you&#8217;re doing here isn&#8217;t new &#8211; it&#8217;s been a recognizable trait of the cohort for a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Boink Blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boink Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and the false war of generational dynamics  Martin added an interesting post today on Obama and the false war of generational dynamicsHere&#8217;s a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JS,

Ironically, generational lessons are what cause that. Kids learn from their primary influences--their parents, friends, and social groups--and develop behaviors accordingly. That&#039;s why you see so many young right-wingers who weren&#039;t even in grade school when Reagan was President picking up the worst habits of the Me Generation. 

But they also reject those values as wholeheartedly as they embrace them. You should have seen Sam and I argue about an article describing so-called &quot;Millenial&quot; behaviors in the workplace, and how the current generation prefers friends, fun, and social activity to the corporate lifestyle. 

The world is just too complex to tar with that broad a brush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JS,</p>
<p>Ironically, generational lessons are what cause that. Kids learn from their primary influences&#8211;their parents, friends, and social groups&#8211;and develop behaviors accordingly. That&#8217;s why you see so many young right-wingers who weren&#8217;t even in grade school when Reagan was President picking up the worst habits of the Me Generation. </p>
<p>But they also reject those values as wholeheartedly as they embrace them. You should have seen Sam and I argue about an article describing so-called &#8220;Millenial&#8221; behaviors in the workplace, and how the current generation prefers friends, fun, and social activity to the corporate lifestyle. </p>
<p>The world is just too complex to tar with that broad a brush.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,

But does the dog wag the tail--am I thinking this way because of my generation--or does the tail wag the dog--are my thoughts becoming representational of my generation as a whole?

I would never cast myself as emblematic of my generation, even IF I believed we had some commonalities that could be cast across the whole breadth of the experience--I&#039;m just too weird. But then again, I&#039;m sure everyone thinks they&#039;re the special one. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>But does the dog wag the tail&#8211;am I thinking this way because of my generation&#8211;or does the tail wag the dog&#8211;are my thoughts becoming representational of my generation as a whole?</p>
<p>I would never cast myself as emblematic of my generation, even IF I believed we had some commonalities that could be cast across the whole breadth of the experience&#8211;I&#8217;m just too weird. But then again, I&#8217;m sure everyone thinks they&#8217;re the special one. <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JS O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely done and nicely researched.  I wonder, sometimes, if we don&#039;t make too much of generational differences.  The 60s and 70s tended to see us talk a great deal about the &quot;generation gap,&quot; and yet the boomers went on to be much like their parents in their drive to succeed.  What seemed significant at the time seems insignificant now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely done and nicely researched.  I wonder, sometimes, if we don&#8217;t make too much of generational differences.  The 60s and 70s tended to see us talk a great deal about the &#8220;generation gap,&#8221; and yet the boomers went on to be much like their parents in their drive to succeed.  What seemed significant at the time seems insignificant now.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Martin, how about a moment of self-examination?

&lt;i&gt;Thatâ€™s why, in the end, I will vote (or not vote) for a candidate based on what they stand for and how they live up to it. Not because a generational dynamic tells me to, or a self-projecting pundit believes I should, or because they happen to fulfill a token demographic.&lt;/i&gt;

Now, let&#039;s see, what do we know about Xers? Pragmatic? And, as Howe and Strauss note, the only thing you can get Xers to agree on is that Generation doesn&#039;t even exist?

Of &lt;i&gt;course&lt;/i&gt; this is what you think. You&#039;re an Xer. At least acknowledge that you&#039;re looking at the issue through a particular context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Martin, how about a moment of self-examination?</p>
<p><i>Thatâ€™s why, in the end, I will vote (or not vote) for a candidate based on what they stand for and how they live up to it. Not because a generational dynamic tells me to, or a self-projecting pundit believes I should, or because they happen to fulfill a token demographic.</i></p>
<p>Now, let&#8217;s see, what do we know about Xers? Pragmatic? And, as Howe and Strauss note, the only thing you can get Xers to agree on is that Generation doesn&#8217;t even exist?</p>
<p>Of <i>course</i> this is what you think. You&#8217;re an Xer. At least acknowledge that you&#8217;re looking at the issue through a particular context.</p>
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		<title>By: Multi Medium &#187; Talking 'Bout His Generation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Multi Medium &#187; Talking 'Bout His Generation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Obama and the false war of generational dynamics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama and the false war of generational dynamics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 22:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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