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	<title>Comments on: A vision of students today: the out-of-touch geezer perspective</title>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/11/27/a-vision-of-students-today-the-out-of-touch-geezer-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-29822</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yet when compared to Xers and Boomers, I find Millennialâ€™s offer creativity, enthusiasm, and an awareness of the whole vs. the individual.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes on all counts except creativity. Of the four cohorts in the generational cycle the Mills are the least creative, collectively - they&#039;re actually the most conventional. But you make a number of important points.

I&#039;m glad there are teachers out there who believe in them like you do. As you know, my experience was less happy than yours. I found them willing to be led, so long as you were willing to lead them precisely where they already knew they needed to go. Not true of all of them, of course - no generalization of this sort can be taken as comprehensive - but there was a lot of faith in received notions and very little willingness to question those notions critically.

Obama has tapped into their innate optimism and their belief that they can be powerful change agents, and if he&#039;s elected he will have a tremendous opportunity to put this generation to work making some important changes for us. If they don&#039;t get this outcome, though, we&#039;ll have to see.

Fingers crossed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yet when compared to Xers and Boomers, I find Millennialâ€™s offer creativity, enthusiasm, and an awareness of the whole vs. the individual.</i></p>
<p>Yes on all counts except creativity. Of the four cohorts in the generational cycle the Mills are the least creative, collectively &#8211; they&#8217;re actually the most conventional. But you make a number of important points.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad there are teachers out there who believe in them like you do. As you know, my experience was less happy than yours. I found them willing to be led, so long as you were willing to lead them precisely where they already knew they needed to go. Not true of all of them, of course &#8211; no generalization of this sort can be taken as comprehensive &#8211; but there was a lot of faith in received notions and very little willingness to question those notions critically.</p>
<p>Obama has tapped into their innate optimism and their belief that they can be powerful change agents, and if he&#8217;s elected he will have a tremendous opportunity to put this generation to work making some important changes for us. If they don&#8217;t get this outcome, though, we&#8217;ll have to see.</p>
<p>Fingers crossed.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed your analysis Sam and agree there is a lack of personal accountability. 

This is one of those moments where I am glad to work with students from a small town, blue-collar institution. For the most part, my students are hard-working, diligent, respectful and eager to please. I do see the entitlement, the I-know-more-than-you mentality and the inability to analyze. I see the differences in the generations. Yet when compared to Xers and Boomers, I find Millennialâ€™s offer creativity, enthusiasm, and an awareness of the whole vs. the individual. Above all, I see young, insecure minds that are desperately seeking leaders to inspire them, to show them an alternative. Obamaâ€™s campaign resonates with them for this very reason. We are all seeking someone or something we can believe in. So forgive me for sounding simplistic, but letâ€™s act as the kind of professors, mentors, parents and professionals that inspire. Regardless of the front Millennialâ€™s display to the world, they are young. With youth comes uncertainty and insecurity, no matter your generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed your analysis Sam and agree there is a lack of personal accountability. </p>
<p>This is one of those moments where I am glad to work with students from a small town, blue-collar institution. For the most part, my students are hard-working, diligent, respectful and eager to please. I do see the entitlement, the I-know-more-than-you mentality and the inability to analyze. I see the differences in the generations. Yet when compared to Xers and Boomers, I find Millennialâ€™s offer creativity, enthusiasm, and an awareness of the whole vs. the individual. Above all, I see young, insecure minds that are desperately seeking leaders to inspire them, to show them an alternative. Obamaâ€™s campaign resonates with them for this very reason. We are all seeking someone or something we can believe in. So forgive me for sounding simplistic, but letâ€™s act as the kind of professors, mentors, parents and professionals that inspire. Regardless of the front Millennialâ€™s display to the world, they are young. With youth comes uncertainty and insecurity, no matter your generation.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this, Jen. Our student loan debt situation is in fact a national disgrace, and it&#039;s one of the issues I&#039;m addressing in my Dr. Slammy in 2008 campaign. The platform is getting posted piece by piece, and I encourage you to check back. Education is a very big issue for us here at S&amp;R, and you&#039;ll find stuff that speaks to these issues on a regular basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this, Jen. Our student loan debt situation is in fact a national disgrace, and it&#8217;s one of the issues I&#8217;m addressing in my Dr. Slammy in 2008 campaign. The platform is getting posted piece by piece, and I encourage you to check back. Education is a very big issue for us here at S&#038;R, and you&#8217;ll find stuff that speaks to these issues on a regular basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m late to this discussion, but the link to this page is being passed forward and yon, so here goes:

I&#039;m an adjunct and I teach the same kinds of students that are on the video.  I think that when you get down to it, the pain they are trying -- ackwardly -- to express is the pain of their student loan debt.   

Two-thirds (65.7%) of 4-year undergraduate students graduate with some debt, and the average student loan debt among graduating seniors is $19,237 (excluding PLUS Loans but including Stafford, Perkins, state, college and private loans), according to the 2003-2004 National Postsecondary Student Aid Study (NPSAS).

My students think constantly about the fact that they will be leaving school with $20K + in debt -- for an undergraduate education.  Over half my students have part-time jobs in addtion to fulltime course loads.
They are stressed, depressed, and, yes, critical of a system that has shifted the burden of an economy-gone-wrong onto their shoulders.

I think that it&#039;s a national disgrace that students leave college saddled with so much debt.  The students might not be able to articulate the source of their pain, so their message in the video is, understandably, confused.  But, yes, I agree that given the amount of debt they will carry after graduation, their teachers should know students&#039; names, should be mindful that each textbooks cost over $100 (even stupid Interpersonal Communication texts), and should try to put themselves in the students&#039; shoes every now and then.  College today IS NOT the same today as it was when we were undergraduates.  It has little to do with cell phones and iPods.  It has everything to do with an economy gone mad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to this discussion, but the link to this page is being passed forward and yon, so here goes:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an adjunct and I teach the same kinds of students that are on the video.  I think that when you get down to it, the pain they are trying &#8212; ackwardly &#8212; to express is the pain of their student loan debt.   </p>
<p>Two-thirds (65.7%) of 4-year undergraduate students graduate with some debt, and the average student loan debt among graduating seniors is $19,237 (excluding PLUS Loans but including Stafford, Perkins, state, college and private loans), according to the 2003-2004 National Postsecondary Student Aid Study (NPSAS).</p>
<p>My students think constantly about the fact that they will be leaving school with $20K + in debt &#8212; for an undergraduate education.  Over half my students have part-time jobs in addtion to fulltime course loads.<br />
They are stressed, depressed, and, yes, critical of a system that has shifted the burden of an economy-gone-wrong onto their shoulders.</p>
<p>I think that it&#8217;s a national disgrace that students leave college saddled with so much debt.  The students might not be able to articulate the source of their pain, so their message in the video is, understandably, confused.  But, yes, I agree that given the amount of debt they will carry after graduation, their teachers should know students&#8217; names, should be mindful that each textbooks cost over $100 (even stupid Interpersonal Communication texts), and should try to put themselves in the students&#8217; shoes every now and then.  College today IS NOT the same today as it was when we were undergraduates.  It has little to do with cell phones and iPods.  It has everything to do with an economy gone mad.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son is a Mill.  He&#039;s very self absorbed, and has this &quot;It&#039;s all about me&quot; attitude.  If he doesn&#039;t get his own way, he goes into a major funk, and pouts.  On the other hand, he is the brightest kid I know, and I&#039;m not just saying that as a proud father.  His excellent prep school education prepared him for the rigors of a classical education(1st year of college), and he&#039;s taken to it like a fish takes to water.  I suspect that he&#039;ll do all right, despite all of his whining. However, in my opinion, he&#039;s very spoiled.  He also lacks any sense of &quot;street smarts.&quot;  Despite all of this, he&#039;s a pretty good kid, and is the happiest kid I&#039;ve ever known.

He never fails to let me know that I better be nice to him as he gets to choose my nursing home:)


Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son is a Mill.  He&#8217;s very self absorbed, and has this &#8220;It&#8217;s all about me&#8221; attitude.  If he doesn&#8217;t get his own way, he goes into a major funk, and pouts.  On the other hand, he is the brightest kid I know, and I&#8217;m not just saying that as a proud father.  His excellent prep school education prepared him for the rigors of a classical education(1st year of college), and he&#8217;s taken to it like a fish takes to water.  I suspect that he&#8217;ll do all right, despite all of his whining. However, in my opinion, he&#8217;s very spoiled.  He also lacks any sense of &#8220;street smarts.&#8221;  Despite all of this, he&#8217;s a pretty good kid, and is the happiest kid I&#8217;ve ever known.</p>
<p>He never fails to let me know that I better be nice to him as he gets to choose my nursing home:)</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/11/27/a-vision-of-students-today-the-out-of-touch-geezer-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-9116</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The front edge of the Mill gen turns 28 in January. Obviously these things aren&#039;t always clear-cut, but the first birth year was around 1980.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The front edge of the Mill gen turns 28 in January. Obviously these things aren&#8217;t always clear-cut, but the first birth year was around 1980.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where&#039;s the X&#039;r / Mill break?  I&#039;m wondering if that&#039;s playing into why my experience now is so much better than as an undergrad -- I&#039;m constantly one of the, if not the, youngest in the room even in my second year of the program...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s the X&#8217;r / Mill break?  I&#8217;m wondering if that&#8217;s playing into why my experience now is so much better than as an undergrad &#8212; I&#8217;m constantly one of the, if not the, youngest in the room even in my second year of the program&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/11/27/a-vision-of-students-today-the-out-of-touch-geezer-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-9091</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this is one of those things where Wikipedia is actually pretty reliable. If it fails to explain why so many people think it&#039;s so damned cool, well, I&#039;m not 100% able to explain that myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is one of those things where Wikipedia is actually pretty reliable. If it fails to explain why so many people think it&#8217;s so damned cool, well, I&#8217;m not 100% able to explain that myself.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>both would be good</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>both would be good</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/11/27/a-vision-of-students-today-the-out-of-touch-geezer-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-9083</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rho: How it works or why it&#039;s such a big deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rho: How it works or why it&#8217;s such a big deal?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/11/27/a-vision-of-students-today-the-out-of-touch-geezer-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-9082</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to hold an Associate Professor position. I walked away. Now I teach a class on the side at the U or Denver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to hold an Associate Professor position. I walked away. Now I teach a class on the side at the U or Denver.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Wellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Wellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lamenting the shortcomings of college students today is lost on me. As a person who flunked out of college (I still don&#039;t think I could graduate if I went back), I&#039;m sort of amazed at anybody who graduates. It&#039;s hard work!

Even those who sleaze their way through are demonstrating ingenuity.

Sam, I&#039;m not clear -- you mention teaching one year in one comment, and, in another, that you&#039;re still teaching. Was the first situation a full-time job and is the second more like a service-oriented thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lamenting the shortcomings of college students today is lost on me. As a person who flunked out of college (I still don&#8217;t think I could graduate if I went back), I&#8217;m sort of amazed at anybody who graduates. It&#8217;s hard work!</p>
<p>Even those who sleaze their way through are demonstrating ingenuity.</p>
<p>Sam, I&#8217;m not clear &#8212; you mention teaching one year in one comment, and, in another, that you&#8217;re still teaching. Was the first situation a full-time job and is the second more like a service-oriented thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Rho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK,
 I&#039;m going to expose my Xer based ignorance. Anyone want to explain facebooking to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK,<br />
 I&#8217;m going to expose my Xer based ignorance. Anyone want to explain facebooking to me.</p>
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		<title>By: JS O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I said it was a ray, not a studio full of arc lights.</description>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JSO: We&#039;re talking about a generation that&#039;s 75-100 million strong, so sure, there are exceptions. Probably a few million of them. And note the schools you&#039;re talking about - that&#039;s exactly where I&#039;d go look if I were hunting for exceptions. The problem is that in a culture like ours, one that&#039;s rabidly anti-intellectual, it&#039;s rarely the cream of the crop that determines our fate. For evidence, look at the results of our last couple elections....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JSO: We&#8217;re talking about a generation that&#8217;s 75-100 million strong, so sure, there are exceptions. Probably a few million of them. And note the schools you&#8217;re talking about &#8211; that&#8217;s exactly where I&#8217;d go look if I were hunting for exceptions. The problem is that in a culture like ours, one that&#8217;s rabidly anti-intellectual, it&#8217;s rarely the cream of the crop that determines our fate. For evidence, look at the results of our last couple elections&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JS O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK.  I&#039;m going to agree with most of you here on &lt;i&gt;general&lt;/i&gt; trends, but let me just introduce a ray of hope, if I may.

Last summer, I sat down for dinner with some families that included students attending Brown, Chicago, Berkeley, and Michigan.  I found them to be very intelligent, very focused, and I know all of them to be hard working. Two of them, for instance, are not enamored of math or science, but they took AP courses in calculus, physics, and chemistry because, in one of them&#039;s words, &quot;What&#039;s the purpose of even attending school if you don&#039;t get as much out of it as you can?&quot;  One of these kids, the one at the University of Chicago, has never failed to take four courses per quarter, which is the maximum load, for that same reason.

So, it&#039;s not ALL bad news.  There are millenials out there who are hard working, care about learning, have well-trained minds, and don&#039;t feel the world owes them anything.  I don&#039;t know how many there are, but they do exist.

BTW, Kelly, a story about DU.  Another young lady I know (not one of the four referenced above) made the mistake in high school of not taking the most rigorous schedule.  Though she made straight As, she was rejected from the most selective schools to which she applied, so she attended DU.  She was flabbergasted by what she saw there.  What she described was what you described, and it was a new experience for her.  She told me that her classes at DU were way easier than even her regular-track prep courses in high school (let alone the AP and honors courses), and that the kids there just didn&#039;t seem to give a flying happy about anything but getting an A they didn&#039;t study for and did no work to earn.

She transferred to Vassar and earned degrees in math and vocal performance.  She&#039;s currently deciding on a graduate school.

So, there are some Mills who don&#039;t break the mold.

Let&#039;s just hope there are enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.  I&#8217;m going to agree with most of you here on <i>general</i> trends, but let me just introduce a ray of hope, if I may.</p>
<p>Last summer, I sat down for dinner with some families that included students attending Brown, Chicago, Berkeley, and Michigan.  I found them to be very intelligent, very focused, and I know all of them to be hard working. Two of them, for instance, are not enamored of math or science, but they took AP courses in calculus, physics, and chemistry because, in one of them&#8217;s words, &#8220;What&#8217;s the purpose of even attending school if you don&#8217;t get as much out of it as you can?&#8221;  One of these kids, the one at the University of Chicago, has never failed to take four courses per quarter, which is the maximum load, for that same reason.</p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s not ALL bad news.  There are millenials out there who are hard working, care about learning, have well-trained minds, and don&#8217;t feel the world owes them anything.  I don&#8217;t know how many there are, but they do exist.</p>
<p>BTW, Kelly, a story about DU.  Another young lady I know (not one of the four referenced above) made the mistake in high school of not taking the most rigorous schedule.  Though she made straight As, she was rejected from the most selective schools to which she applied, so she attended DU.  She was flabbergasted by what she saw there.  What she described was what you described, and it was a new experience for her.  She told me that her classes at DU were way easier than even her regular-track prep courses in high school (let alone the AP and honors courses), and that the kids there just didn&#8217;t seem to give a flying happy about anything but getting an A they didn&#8217;t study for and did no work to earn.</p>
<p>She transferred to Vassar and earned degrees in math and vocal performance.  She&#8217;s currently deciding on a graduate school.</p>
<p>So, there are some Mills who don&#8217;t break the mold.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just hope there are enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just think this is the same generation who would rather spend hours playing fake guitar then actually playing a real guitar.  I love video games as much as the next guy, but I&#039;ve officially lost faith in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just think this is the same generation who would rather spend hours playing fake guitar then actually playing a real guitar.  I love video games as much as the next guy, but I&#8217;ve officially lost faith in America.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually they don&#039;t like e-mail when they&#039;re at their desktops, either, so I don&#039;t think mobile will change that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually they don&#8217;t like e-mail when they&#8217;re at their desktops, either, so I don&#8217;t think mobile will change that.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael "Ubertram" Pecaut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael "Ubertram" Pecaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but think e-mail will come back on vogue once it&#039;s truly mobile.  Right now, text messaging fills that gap, right?  So there&#039;s still a need to send messages.  It&#039;s just the mobility that&#039;s different with e-mail.  At least that&#039;s my theory. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but think e-mail will come back on vogue once it&#8217;s truly mobile.  Right now, text messaging fills that gap, right?  So there&#8217;s still a need to send messages.  It&#8217;s just the mobility that&#8217;s different with e-mail.  At least that&#8217;s my theory. <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reagan babies are a coddled generation that has nothing to struggle for, nothing to overcome

except what happened last week

its a generation that has enough power to change the world but what do they want to do? download bullshit! get coffee treats in the mail! wear a gold mouthpiece that says &#039;upgrade&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reagan babies are a coddled generation that has nothing to struggle for, nothing to overcome</p>
<p>except what happened last week</p>
<p>its a generation that has enough power to change the world but what do they want to do? download bullshit! get coffee treats in the mail! wear a gold mouthpiece that says &#8216;upgrade&#8217;</p>
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