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	<title>Comments on: We Berate, You Deride &#8211; A look at Steven J. Milloy&#8217;s current affiliates and backers</title>
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		<title>By: Some thoughts on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell &#124; Scholars and Rogues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some thoughts on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell &#124; Scholars and Rogues</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] the precedent that it’s OK to not defend DADT, and then loses the election to Palin in 2012. The same people behind Citizen’s United file suit against Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, and the existence of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Amoeba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amoeba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

Here&#039;s a couple of resources that may be of interest.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desmogblog.com/plagiarism-conspiracies-felonies-breaking-out-wegman-file&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Plagiarism? Conspiracies? Felonies? Behind the Wegman Report and Decades of Related Anti-Science Attacks&lt;/a&gt;. There&#039;s a new version due out soon. Dr. Mashey catalogues the crescendo in the lead-up to Copenhagen. If anyone harboured any doubts that it was a coordinated campaign, there are just too many coincidences. And the CRU hack [and the others (see DeSmogBlog)] were clearly an integral part of the plan to derail Copenhagen.
and
&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/Think-tanks-pseudoscepticism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;The organisation of denial: Conservative think tanks and environmental scepticism&#039;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a couple of resources that may be of interest.<br />
<a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/plagiarism-conspiracies-felonies-breaking-out-wegman-file" rel="nofollow">Plagiarism? Conspiracies? Felonies? Behind the Wegman Report and Decades of Related Anti-Science Attacks</a>. There&#8217;s a new version due out soon. Dr. Mashey catalogues the crescendo in the lead-up to Copenhagen. If anyone harboured any doubts that it was a coordinated campaign, there are just too many coincidences. And the CRU hack [and the others (see DeSmogBlog)] were clearly an integral part of the plan to derail Copenhagen.<br />
and<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/Think-tanks-pseudoscepticism" rel="nofollow">&#8216;The organisation of denial: Conservative think tanks and environmental scepticism&#8217;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashley,

This is among the most ludicrous comments I&#039;ve ever heard. If you change the word &quot;all&quot; to &quot;some&quot; you might get a little traction, but this kind of ridiculous rhetorical extremism just makes you look juvenile and silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashley,</p>
<p>This is among the most ludicrous comments I&#8217;ve ever heard. If you change the word &#8220;all&#8221; to &#8220;some&#8221; you might get a little traction, but this kind of ridiculous rhetorical extremism just makes you look juvenile and silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Ashley, you can&#039;t do what you just suggested.  The conservative think tanks are more numerous, larger, better funded, and more tightly integrated with each other than progressive think tanks.  And while there are certainly progressive organizations that use propaganda tactics, the conservatives are better at it and do it more often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Ashley, you can&#8217;t do what you just suggested.  The conservative think tanks are more numerous, larger, better funded, and more tightly integrated with each other than progressive think tanks.  And while there are certainly progressive organizations that use propaganda tactics, the conservatives are better at it and do it more often.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get a grip.  The entire thrust of this column is absurd.  You could substitute evey name and organization cited here with those of progressives and liberals to the same effect.  They all
&quot;attempt to use propaganda to further their own ideological ends.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get a grip.  The entire thrust of this column is absurd.  You could substitute evey name and organization cited here with those of progressives and liberals to the same effect.  They all<br />
&#8220;attempt to use propaganda to further their own ideological ends.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incredulous,

The reason why quacks and hacks like these guys get play is because the selfsame corporate interests they shill for often have control over the media outlets most people have access to--and they want to make sure their views reach the optimal audience.

It&#039;s a vast, multilayered web of influence that ensures the average person is subjected to the viewpoints the corporatist state wants us to hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incredulous,</p>
<p>The reason why quacks and hacks like these guys get play is because the selfsame corporate interests they shill for often have control over the media outlets most people have access to&#8211;and they want to make sure their views reach the optimal audience.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a vast, multilayered web of influence that ensures the average person is subjected to the viewpoints the corporatist state wants us to hear.</p>
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		<title>By: Incredulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Incredulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, I don&#039;t understand why these quacks continue to get any play in the mainstream media.  They&#039;re proven paid hacks for corporate interests - nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, I don&#8217;t understand why these quacks continue to get any play in the mainstream media.  They&#8217;re proven paid hacks for corporate interests &#8211; nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post, interesting family tree. 

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post, interesting family tree. </p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/11/28/we-berate-you-deride-a-look-at-steven-j-milloys-current-affiliates-and-backers/comment-page-1/#comment-9001</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happy to report that we&#039;ve been linked at the blog for ExxonSecrets.org.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://members.greenpeace.org/blog/exxonsecrets/2007/11/28/more_dirt_on_the_steve_junkvendor_milloy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We love dirt on Steve &quot;JunkMerchant&quot; Milloy&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happy to report that we&#8217;ve been linked at the blog for ExxonSecrets.org.</p>
<p><a href="http://members.greenpeace.org/blog/exxonsecrets/2007/11/28/more_dirt_on_the_steve_junkvendor_milloy" rel="nofollow">We love dirt on Steve &#8220;JunkMerchant&#8221; Milloy</a></p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAH! That&#039;s brilliant! Since their philosophies are actually failures in the real free market, they use the fund for corporate welfare and getting recognized by the pundit class. 

The hypocrisy of  these people is utterly boundless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAH! That&#8217;s brilliant! Since their philosophies are actually failures in the real free market, they use the fund for corporate welfare and getting recognized by the pundit class. </p>
<p>The hypocrisy of  these people is utterly boundless.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many Ron Paul fans wouldn&#039;t really care, but some would.  It would depend on whether their libertarian impulses led them to a caretaker role (rare) or were tempered by a moral impulse against letting their freedoms infringe on the very lives and freedoms of others (uncommon).  I may not be a big fan of hard-core libertarianism, but I&#039;ve met more than a few to took it to the next step and said &quot;the U.S.&#039; freedom to pollute ends when it infringes on the freedom of others to live without the effects of our pollution.&quot;

One interesting thing I came across while researching the Free Enterprise Action Fund is that the fund is underperforming the S&amp;P500 even though it&#039;s invested in a large number of the S&amp;P500 companies (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freeenterpriseactionfund.com/portfolio.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Portfolio&lt;/a&gt;).  The difference is that the FEAFund invests in the companies who aren&#039;t following SRI and CSR guidelines (because Milloy and Borelli are anti-CSR/SRI advocates)

There&#039;s an article about this specifically at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2140997/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Slate:  A very curious right-wing mutual fund&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many Ron Paul fans wouldn&#8217;t really care, but some would.  It would depend on whether their libertarian impulses led them to a caretaker role (rare) or were tempered by a moral impulse against letting their freedoms infringe on the very lives and freedoms of others (uncommon).  I may not be a big fan of hard-core libertarianism, but I&#8217;ve met more than a few to took it to the next step and said &#8220;the U.S.&#8217; freedom to pollute ends when it infringes on the freedom of others to live without the effects of our pollution.&#8221;</p>
<p>One interesting thing I came across while researching the Free Enterprise Action Fund is that the fund is underperforming the S&#038;P500 even though it&#8217;s invested in a large number of the S&#038;P500 companies (<a href="http://www.freeenterpriseactionfund.com/portfolio.htm" rel="nofollow">Portfolio</a>).  The difference is that the FEAFund invests in the companies who aren&#8217;t following SRI and CSR guidelines (because Milloy and Borelli are anti-CSR/SRI advocates)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an article about this specifically at <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2140997/" rel="nofollow">Slate:  A very curious right-wing mutual fund</a></p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Astounding work, Brian. This is a credit both to your incredible abilities as a researcher, and your ability to connect the dots and see the larger picture.

The web of influence among the conservative (and libertarian, don&#039;t forget) upper echelons is tangled, deep, and dark, but you&#039;ve shone some much-needed light. 

Well done, sir. 

Oh, and I wonder how the Ron Paul drones will take to the notion that  their savior has a guy who helps propagate a right-wing mutual fund AND global heating denials on the payroll. You might want to put that hook out there if you want to get these articles more traction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astounding work, Brian. This is a credit both to your incredible abilities as a researcher, and your ability to connect the dots and see the larger picture.</p>
<p>The web of influence among the conservative (and libertarian, don&#8217;t forget) upper echelons is tangled, deep, and dark, but you&#8217;ve shone some much-needed light. </p>
<p>Well done, sir. </p>
<p>Oh, and I wonder how the Ron Paul drones will take to the notion that  their savior has a guy who helps propagate a right-wing mutual fund AND global heating denials on the payroll. You might want to put that hook out there if you want to get these articles more traction.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve looked pretty deeply on the global warming/bogus science side of Steve Milloy, but there&#039;s a whole other side to him that I haven&#039;t covered, namely his work against corporate social responsibility and socially responsible investing.  I&#039;ll probably dive into that side of Milloy eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve looked pretty deeply on the global warming/bogus science side of Steve Milloy, but there&#8217;s a whole other side to him that I haven&#8217;t covered, namely his work against corporate social responsibility and socially responsible investing.  I&#8217;ll probably dive into that side of Milloy eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole series has been just phenomenal. It&#039;s important for how it throws back the curtains on DemandDebate and Milloy specifically, but there are also a lot of generalizable lessons about how conservative astroturfing works. I think if you can get your head around this network of deceit you&#039;ll be better prepared to deal other kinds of disinfo and noise machines.

Really outstanding work, Brian. We&#039;re in your debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole series has been just phenomenal. It&#8217;s important for how it throws back the curtains on DemandDebate and Milloy specifically, but there are also a lot of generalizable lessons about how conservative astroturfing works. I think if you can get your head around this network of deceit you&#8217;ll be better prepared to deal other kinds of disinfo and noise machines.</p>
<p>Really outstanding work, Brian. We&#8217;re in your debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; We Berate, You Deride - A closer look at the background of Steven J. Milloy, executive director of DemandDebate.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; We Berate, You Deride - A closer look at the background of Steven J. Milloy, executive director of DemandDebate.com</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] - DemandDebate.com&#8217;s survey on the scientific consensus surrounding global heating Tomorrow: A look at Steven J. Milloyâ€™s current affiliates and backers    [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; We Berate, You Deride - DemandDebate.com&#8217;s survey on the scientific consensus surrounding global heating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; We Berate, You Deride - DemandDebate.com&#8217;s survey on the scientific consensus surrounding global heating</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] look at the background of Steven J. Milloy, executive director of DemandDebate.com Wednesday: A look at Steven J. Milloyâ€™s current affiliates and backers    [...]</description>
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