Comments on: The controversy surrounding The Golden Compass has all but guaranteed blockbusterhood http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/ Think. It ain't illegal yet... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:58:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Phil Russell http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9618 Phil Russell Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:03:30 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9618 Go to this link, http://www6.comcast.net/entertainment/ Under the banner, The Real Story Discover the truth about the hottest news: Look for the pic with Nicole Kidman and the title: Does 'Golden Compass' Promote Atheism? You'll see a 'discussion' about the movie. The white Catholic guy is almost like an Al Sharpton for the Catholic Church. And the lady is like the president of American Athiest. It would be funny if they both weren't so serious. Can't we do better than this? Go to this link, http://www6.comcast.net/entertainment/

Under the banner,

The Real Story
Discover the truth about the hottest news:

Look for the pic with Nicole Kidman and the title:

Does ‘Golden Compass’ Promote Atheism?

You’ll see a ‘discussion’ about the movie. The white Catholic guy is almost like an Al Sharpton for the Catholic Church. And the lady is like the president of American Athiest.

It would be funny if they both weren’t so serious. Can’t we do better than this?

]]> By: Phil Russell http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9451 Phil Russell Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:33:56 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9451 What would really be funny is if, due to the push against seeing it, that it breaks opening day movie earning records. I'll be watching...amd if it does, you need to do a sequel to this post Angliss;-) What would really be funny is if, due to the push against seeing it, that it breaks opening day movie earning records. I’ll be watching…amd if it does, you need to do a sequel to this post Angliss;-)

]]> By: DomPierre http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9447 DomPierre Thu, 06 Dec 2007 05:48:18 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9447 On the flip side, I will also say that I thought the SciFi channel mini-series "The Tin Man" (based upon The Wizard of OZ) was pretty damn good. On the flip side, I will also say that I thought the SciFi channel mini-series “The Tin Man” (based upon The Wizard of OZ) was pretty damn good.

]]> By: DomPierre http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9445 DomPierre Thu, 06 Dec 2007 05:16:35 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9445 Oh the irony. christians don't get their own teachings (ie, turn the other cheek). I've always called it the "christian mythology" since it has truly been one of the most violent religions in the history of the world ( yknow the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Manila, etc etc etc). <a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/photoInclude/blogger/784/495/1600/saysitall.jpg" rel="nofollow">This pretty much says it all</a> Frankly, I think there's too many empty crosses. But then again, I'm in favor of dumping USrael in the middle of Africa and putting a beeg wall around them so they won't bother the natives, and then returning the land (formerly known as Israel) to the people whom it was stolen from. It was a BAD idea for the US to put a Middle East outpost in the middle of Arab land and call it Israel. But it nice to see kharma boomeranging on christians and israel. Oh the irony. christians don’t get their own teachings (ie, turn the other cheek). I’ve always called it the “christian mythology” since it has truly been one of the most violent religions in the history of the world ( yknow the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Manila, etc etc etc).

This pretty much says it all

Frankly, I think there’s too many empty crosses. But then again, I’m in favor of dumping USrael in the middle of Africa and putting a beeg wall around them so they won’t bother the natives, and then returning the land (formerly known as Israel) to the people whom it was stolen from. It was a BAD idea for the US to put a Middle East outpost in the middle of Arab land and call it Israel.

But it nice to see kharma boomeranging on christians and israel.

]]> By: Jonathan Salem Baskin http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9395 Jonathan Salem Baskin Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:39:33 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9395 I agree with your analysis 100%! Controversy is a emerging, viable marketing tool, and I'm surprised more marketers don't embrace it as a purposeful strategy. I suspect in this instance it is emerging pretty organically from the advocates you'd expect to see involved. It would have been intriguing if Weitz or the producers could have figured out how to get one or more Christian groups on their side -- you could pretty easily 'read' Lyra and her spiritually-aware compatriots as early Christians facing off against a hollow, state-run church (i.e. Rome), irrespective of what Pullman intended -- and then really got the debate off to a rousing start. Anyway, I've written about the relevance and uses of controversy in marketing, as evidenced by this movie launch, at DIM BULB, if you'd care to check it out. I agree with your analysis 100%! Controversy is a emerging, viable marketing tool, and I’m surprised more marketers don’t embrace it as a purposeful strategy. I suspect in this instance it is emerging pretty organically from the advocates you’d expect to see involved. It would have been intriguing if Weitz or the producers could have figured out how to get one or more Christian groups on their side — you could pretty easily ‘read’ Lyra and her spiritually-aware compatriots as early Christians facing off against a hollow, state-run church (i.e. Rome), irrespective of what Pullman intended — and then really got the debate off to a rousing start. Anyway, I’ve written about the relevance and uses of controversy in marketing, as evidenced by this movie launch, at DIM BULB, if you’d care to check it out.

]]> By: elaine http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9393 elaine Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:27:23 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9393 "Books like the His Dark Materials trilogy are examples of how young adult literature doesn’t have to mean easy, uncomplicated, and controversy-free. The best literature of all, regardless of the target audience, makes us stretch our hearts, minds, and souls some." Yeah! :) “Books like the His Dark Materials trilogy are examples of how young adult literature doesn’t have to mean easy, uncomplicated, and controversy-free. The best literature of all, regardless of the target audience, makes us stretch our hearts, minds, and souls some.”

Yeah! :)

]]> By: elaine http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9391 elaine Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:22:07 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9391 "Christians are expected to turn the other cheek." Correct. Which is why when a true Christian does this...he is one. But all governments do many things in Jesus' name... A Buddhist Monk is more peaceful. “Christians are expected to turn the other cheek.”

Correct. Which is why when a true Christian does this…he is one. But all governments do many things in Jesus’ name…

A Buddhist Monk is more peaceful.

]]> By: Rho http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9388 Rho Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:08:13 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9388 Excuse me but isn't turn the other cheek part of Christian doctrine? Excuse me but isn’t turn the other cheek part of Christian doctrine?

]]> By: Phil Russell http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9382 Phil Russell Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:30:16 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9382 Movie first...crusade after... Movie first…crusade after…

]]> By: Brian Angliss http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9356 Brian Angliss Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:56:46 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9356 I can prove to you that gays exist and that you hurt real people when you create gay snuff films - can you prove to me that God exists and you hurt him/her/it when you create a God snuff film (if this even qualifies)? If not, then you're argument doesn't hold water. Care to try again? I can prove to you that gays exist and that you hurt real people when you create gay snuff films – can you prove to me that God exists and you hurt him/her/it when you create a God snuff film (if this even qualifies)? If not, then you’re argument doesn’t hold water.

Care to try again?

]]> By: Dr. Slammy http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9353 Dr. Slammy Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:43:33 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9353 Yeah, you're right. Because Christians are such a persecuted minority and have never done anything to anybody else. Damn, it must be hard being you. Yeah, you’re right. Because Christians are such a persecuted minority and have never done anything to anybody else. Damn, it must be hard being you.

]]> By: Think about it http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9351 Think about it Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:40:16 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9351 What if we started making anti-homosexual movies where we killed off gays at the end of a trilogy?? Would you tell gays to lighten up and get a ssense of hunor? Would you tell them its just art? no you wouldnt. People would be outraged and trying to sue someone. This is unfortunately the world we live in...Christians are expected to turn the other cheek and have a sense of humor about things...while the rest of world gets to pass hate crime legislation against anyone who treats them the same as they treat Christians. People are such hypocrites. What if we started making anti-homosexual movies where we killed off gays at the end of a trilogy?? Would you tell gays to lighten up and get a ssense of hunor? Would you tell them its just art? no you wouldnt. People would be outraged and trying to sue someone. This is unfortunately the world we live in…Christians are expected to turn the other cheek and have a sense of humor about things…while the rest of world gets to pass hate crime legislation against anyone who treats them the same as they treat Christians.

People are such hypocrites.

]]> By: Brian Angliss http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9335 Brian Angliss Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:11:09 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9335 I doubt the movies will match the books - I gave up that hope for any movie made from a book long ago. And given that New Line and Chris Weitz (the director) have outright said that they cut back on the anti-religious themes in this one in hopes of getting the two sequels, it's flat out known that the movie won't be in the same league. That said, however, I'm looking forward to this movie. The special effects are why I'll see it on the big screen instead of waiting till it hits DVD. And I've only read the books once, so I don't have so much invested in the stories that I won't be able to enjoy the movie. Books like the <em>His Dark Materials</em> trilogy are examples of how young adult literature doesn't have to mean easy, uncomplicated, and controversy-free. The best literature of all, regardless of the target audience, makes us stretch our hearts, minds, and souls some. I doubt the movies will match the books – I gave up that hope for any movie made from a book long ago. And given that New Line and Chris Weitz (the director) have outright said that they cut back on the anti-religious themes in this one in hopes of getting the two sequels, it’s flat out known that the movie won’t be in the same league.

That said, however, I’m looking forward to this movie. The special effects are why I’ll see it on the big screen instead of waiting till it hits DVD. And I’ve only read the books once, so I don’t have so much invested in the stories that I won’t be able to enjoy the movie.

Books like the His Dark Materials trilogy are examples of how young adult literature doesn’t have to mean easy, uncomplicated, and controversy-free. The best literature of all, regardless of the target audience, makes us stretch our hearts, minds, and souls some.

]]> By: Phil Russell http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9332 Phil Russell Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:05:49 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9332 Yep. It was the bear that did it!!! The moment I heard him speak, I was hooked. And not to be offensive to bears, or black presidential nominees, but he sounded so articulate! Yep. It was the bear that did it!!! The moment I heard him speak, I was hooked.

And not to be offensive to bears, or black presidential nominees, but he sounded so articulate!

]]> By: elaine http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9330 elaine Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:00:29 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9330 I loved this set of books and cannot see how the film can in any way capture the breadth and depth of the story. The special effects may be the draw for me because I will see the film for that bear. I loved this set of books and cannot see how the film can in any way capture the breadth and depth of the story.

The special effects may be the draw for me because I will see the film for that bear.

]]> By: Phil Russell http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9308 Phil Russell Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:17:57 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9308 It's always been my sense that God has to have a) a sense of humor b) a healthy self esteem (I mean, like, he's really GOD) and c) that He (or She, or some other Derivative my small mind cannot comprehend) is big enough to take care of Himself. It seems though that its His minions/zealots etc that get defensive. Its things like this that also make people say that people let religion think for them. The ironic thing is that God is allegedly [sorry God, no offense] omnipresent, so He will (probably) be watching the movie as well... Hats off to the Catholics who gave enlightened reviews that proves that Catholics, like people, come in more than one color. It ALMOST makes me want to forgive the paddling dished out to me by Sister Sarah... It’s always been my sense that God has to have a) a sense of humor b) a healthy self esteem (I mean, like, he’s really GOD) and c) that He (or She, or some other Derivative my small mind cannot comprehend) is big enough to take care of Himself. It seems though that its His minions/zealots etc that get defensive.

Its things like this that also make people say that people let religion think for them. The ironic thing is that God is allegedly [sorry God, no offense] omnipresent, so He will (probably) be watching the movie as well…

Hats off to the Catholics who gave enlightened reviews that proves that Catholics, like people, come in more than one color. It ALMOST makes me want to forgive the paddling dished out to me by Sister Sarah…

]]> By: Phil Russell http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/comment-page-1/#comment-9306 Phil Russell Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:08:01 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/04/the-controversy-surrounding-the-golden-compass-has-all-but-guaranteed-blockbusterhood/#comment-9306 I'm only commenting on the title of this post at this point, and fully agree. Now, to reading... I’m only commenting on the title of this post at this point, and fully agree. Now, to reading…

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