Comments on: Hillary’s telling the truth — that’s the problem http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/ Think - it ain't illegal yet... Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:32:11 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: NoOneYouKnow http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10522 NoOneYouKnow Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:30:09 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/#comment-10522 Possible the only thing worse than a neo-con is someone who abets, supports and outdoes them purely out of ambition. Possible the only thing worse than a neo-con is someone who abets, supports and outdoes them purely out of ambition.

]]> By: Josh http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10513 Josh Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:01:22 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/#comment-10513 Oh yea...that Jesse Helms vote...according to the Voting record took place a month before 2002...just FYI. HIllary is a pragmatist...I'm not a one issue voter, but her voting record is right here...and, incidentally, Obama has voted the exact same way excluding 4 minor votes: http://votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V3146&can_id=55463 Oh yea…that Jesse Helms vote…according to the Voting record took place a month before 2002…just FYI.

HIllary is a pragmatist…I’m not a one issue voter, but her voting record is right here…and, incidentally, Obama has voted the exact same way excluding 4 minor votes:

http://votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V3146&can_id=55463

]]> By: Josh http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10512 Josh Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:59:20 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/#comment-10512 Unfortunately George W. Bush's lies and paranoid inducing "EVERYONE'S A TERRORIST!" schtick has caused alot of people to forget that Iran IS a country that needs monitoring...As Clinton forced tougher sanctions on Iran during the mid-90's...It was Cheney who was holding Iran's hand, and created the subsidiary of Halliburton...Not Hillary or Bill. Her vote on the Iran resolution, IMHO was the right one...The Iraq resolution, from what I can see, had everyone running for cover...if lies and made up intel was presented to me as the admin did, maybe I'd have voted for more coercive action also...because DIPLOMACY was promised, upfront. Under normal Presidents, that resolution would have been simply a deterrent, not a green light for immediate war. As for bombing Serbia, it was the right thing to do for NATO...and carried out much more effectively and competently than this Iraq debacle. It stopped the war didn't it? And who were the one's crying about it back then? The republicans mostly...saying the same things we Dems are saying about Iraq...only Clinton was actually effective. The US complete support of Israel makes me nervous; I am not an expert on Israel by any means, but I do think we should be much more neutral on that front. Some of these things make me uncomfortable, yes...but compared to other candidates, I do not question Hillary's competence, her American-ness, and after reading her 'real' history (i.e. through the lies of the right wing nutters, and even some extreme liberals) I feel ultimately that she would make a good President. After reading the ABA's report on Signing Statements, and Bill Clinton's versions, it is evident that Clinton valued American civil liberties. It's my assumption that via extension, Hillary will be of the same mind. Of course, we all know that any Democrat would make a better President than Hillary, simply because Republicans will lay out the red carpet, throw roses, and gleefully support any issues the Democrat (excluding Hillary) would champion. Hah, yea right..there goes that "divisive" theory...Understand, the roots of divisivenss come from teh REPUBLICANS...sown by "Rovian" asses.....Hillary can bridge the divide...look at NY. Unfortunately George W. Bush’s lies and paranoid inducing “EVERYONE’S A TERRORIST!” schtick has caused alot of people to forget that Iran IS a country that needs monitoring…As Clinton forced tougher sanctions on Iran during the mid-90’s…It was Cheney who was holding Iran’s hand, and created the subsidiary of Halliburton…Not Hillary or Bill. Her vote on the Iran resolution, IMHO was the right one…The Iraq resolution, from what I can see, had everyone running for cover…if lies and made up intel was presented to me as the admin did, maybe I’d have voted for more coercive action also…because DIPLOMACY was promised, upfront. Under normal Presidents, that resolution would have been simply a deterrent, not a green light for immediate war.

As for bombing Serbia, it was the right thing to do for NATO…and carried out much more effectively and competently than this Iraq debacle. It stopped the war didn’t it? And who were the one’s crying about it back then? The republicans mostly…saying the same things we Dems are saying about Iraq…only Clinton was actually effective.

The US complete support of Israel makes me nervous; I am not an expert on Israel by any means, but I do think we should be much more neutral on that front.

Some of these things make me uncomfortable, yes…but compared to other candidates, I do not question Hillary’s competence, her American-ness, and after reading her ‘real’ history (i.e. through the lies of the right wing nutters, and even some extreme liberals) I feel ultimately that she would make a good President.

After reading the ABA’s report on Signing Statements, and Bill Clinton’s versions, it is evident that Clinton valued American civil liberties. It’s my assumption that via extension, Hillary will be of the same mind.

Of course, we all know that any Democrat would make a better President than Hillary, simply because Republicans will lay out the red carpet, throw roses, and gleefully support any issues the Democrat (excluding Hillary) would champion. Hah, yea right..there goes that “divisive” theory…Understand, the roots of divisivenss come from teh REPUBLICANS…sown by “Rovian” asses…..Hillary can bridge the divide…look at NY.

]]> By: phi beta kappa http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10458 phi beta kappa Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:28:33 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/#comment-10458 She wasn't always a Democrat. She was raised a Republican, and was an active Goldwater Girl. She hasn't "The Conscience of a Conservative" (Goldwater's bestseller) or the conscience of a Liberal. She has no values at all. She wasn’t always a Democrat. She was raised a Republican, and was an active Goldwater Girl. She hasn’t “The Conscience of a Conservative” (Goldwater’s bestseller) or the conscience of a Liberal. She has no values at all.

]]> By: rudyspeaks http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10426 rudyspeaks Tue, 25 Dec 2007 02:21:36 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/#comment-10426 Sister Mary Eve...argued like a true authoritarian, full of ad hominens, absent any actual facts. You never counter any of Zunes' (it's spelled with a "U") claims, just slime him and make a groundless assertion. Maybe you could re-read the part about "denial". Sister Mary Eve…argued like a true authoritarian, full of ad hominens, absent any actual facts. You never counter any of Zunes’ (it’s spelled with a “U”) claims, just slime him and make a groundless assertion. Maybe you could re-read the part about “denial”.

]]> By: jeff http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10424 jeff Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:39:40 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/#comment-10424 Jim, I'm a compassionate conservative, not Hillary. Jeff Jim,

I’m a compassionate conservative, not Hillary.

Jeff

]]> By: Savantster http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10414 Savantster Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:34:31 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/#comment-10414 Compared to the Shrub, a shrub would make a fine president. Hillary is no Liberal, no Democrat. I guess what Zune says being true and accurate is irrelevant, if you point out unhappy facts about someone, right? But, then, isn't that what politics is these days? Make sure you appeal to the polls when on camera and shun anyone that shines light on the inner bowels of actual voting records? Gawd forbid we should know where you behave, we should all just accept your label and lip service as gospel. Compared to the Shrub, a shrub would make a fine president.

Hillary is no Liberal, no Democrat. I guess what Zune says being true and accurate is irrelevant, if you point out unhappy facts about someone, right?

But, then, isn’t that what politics is these days? Make sure you appeal to the polls when on camera and shun anyone that shines light on the inner bowels of actual voting records? Gawd forbid we should know where you behave, we should all just accept your label and lip service as gospel.

]]> By: Sister Mary Evangeline http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10406 Sister Mary Evangeline Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:23:51 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/#comment-10406 Stephen Zone is so far to the left, he's hanging onto the planet by his fingernails. That he see's Hillary as a hawk comes as no surprise, he would view the Sainted Mother Theresa as a hawk. Please don't try to convince me to go the way of an individual that is as radical to the left, as the rightwing bible clubers are to the right. How about some common sense here......Hillary will make a fine president. Stephen Zone is so far to the left, he’s hanging onto the planet by his fingernails. That he see’s Hillary as a hawk comes as no surprise, he would view the Sainted Mother Theresa as a hawk. Please don’t try to convince me to go the way of an individual that is as radical to the left, as the rightwing bible clubers are to the right. How about some common sense here……Hillary will make a fine president.

]]> By: Jim Booth http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10393 Jim Booth Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:47:11 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/#comment-10393 You go, Dom Pierre. Well observed. You know what Hillary is? She's a Compassionate Conservative. You go, Dom Pierre. Well observed.

You know what Hillary is? She’s a Compassionate Conservative.

]]> By: DomPierre http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10392 DomPierre Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:40:17 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/12/23/hillarys-telling-the-truth-thats-the-problem/#comment-10392 Bill Clinton was the first to prove that liberal Republicans can get elected and re-elected as president running as a "New Democrat". That's why she's a Democrat. That's why <a href="http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2007/12/obama-and-clinton-are-not-our-friends.html" rel="nofollow"> Obama and Clinton are not our friends</a>. Bill Clinton was the first to prove that liberal Republicans can get elected and re-elected as president running as a “New Democrat”. That’s why she’s a Democrat.

That’s why
Obama and Clinton are not our friends.

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Hillary’s not just talking tough to win votes. For her, war is the option of first resort….

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