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	<title>Comments on: Africa and the Delusion of the Big Men</title>
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	<description>Think - it ain&#039;t illegal yet...</description>
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		<title>By: Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/06/africa-and-the-delusion-of-of-the-big-men/comment-page-1/#comment-11456</link>
		<dc:creator>Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you are distorting the picture in terms of Venezuela where GDP has grown at about 10% and poverty has fallen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you are distorting the picture in terms of Venezuela where GDP has grown at about 10% and poverty has fallen.</p>
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		<title>By: whythawk</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/06/africa-and-the-delusion-of-of-the-big-men/comment-page-1/#comment-11381</link>
		<dc:creator>whythawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not too sure where the idea that Africa is Europe&#039;s (or anyone else&#039;s, for that matter) larder comes from?  Both the US and EU spend billions of dollars a year on subsidies to their own farmers, and have heavy-duty import restrictions on products from outsiders.  Common Agricultural Policy (CAP), US sugar duties on Brazilian sugar-cane, plus both corn and cotton subsidies.  This distortion of world trade is one thing that PREVENTS developing countries from exporting their way to wealth.

There are many flaws in international development models, but the most fundamental is this:  it is impossible to help anyone - all you can do is support them while they help themselves.  Until African nations choose to develop, choose to be moral and honest and just and tolerant, they cannot be helped at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not too sure where the idea that Africa is Europe&#8217;s (or anyone else&#8217;s, for that matter) larder comes from?  Both the US and EU spend billions of dollars a year on subsidies to their own farmers, and have heavy-duty import restrictions on products from outsiders.  Common Agricultural Policy (CAP), US sugar duties on Brazilian sugar-cane, plus both corn and cotton subsidies.  This distortion of world trade is one thing that PREVENTS developing countries from exporting their way to wealth.</p>
<p>There are many flaws in international development models, but the most fundamental is this:  it is impossible to help anyone &#8211; all you can do is support them while they help themselves.  Until African nations choose to develop, choose to be moral and honest and just and tolerant, they cannot be helped at all.</p>
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		<title>By: maht</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/06/africa-and-the-delusion-of-of-the-big-men/comment-page-1/#comment-11353</link>
		<dc:creator>maht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agriculture for consumption should trump agriculture for export every time. The case is clearly laid out in Adam Smith&#039;s &quot;The Wealth of Nations&quot;. Europe using Africa as a larder is a deliberate oppression, undeniable by anyone who has studied economics. The mantra should be Eat First, Export Later</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agriculture for consumption should trump agriculture for export every time. The case is clearly laid out in Adam Smith&#8217;s &#8220;The Wealth of Nations&#8221;. Europe using Africa as a larder is a deliberate oppression, undeniable by anyone who has studied economics. The mantra should be Eat First, Export Later</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/06/africa-and-the-delusion-of-of-the-big-men/comment-page-1/#comment-11352</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: jackpine savage</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackpine savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very interesting analysis, that looks spot on.  But it does not appear (at least not in this rather brief overview) to take into account the validity of our model for development.  That model is based on export, export, export.  It assumes that the only way to develop a nation&#039;s economy and political structure is to globalize it...which is a good long-term goal.  Unfortunately, the developed nations suggest that developing nations not bother to learn crawling before they start running marathons.  And in many cases, the local ways are discarded as a prerequisite for &quot;development&quot;.

For example, we consistently structure the agriculture of developing nations around export, commodity crops.  The assumption is that export generates money which will then be used to buy food, often imported food.  But this leaves the local farmers caught in the double bind of increasing yield.  The more they grow, the lower the prices.  And to grow more they must increase their reliance on expensive inputs like fertilizers and pesticides.  Or, as in the case of Ethiopia, they choose to use their most productive land to grow crops like cut flowers for the European market.

The example of Russia is a good one, but it must be remembered that there was a great debate during the nineties of how to convert that economy.  The choice was simple and described by visualizing a chasm with the Soviet economy on one side and a market economy on the other.  Either Russia could attempt to slowly build a bridge, or they could jump the chasm Evil Knievel style.  The West pushed hard for just making the jump, and that&#039;s what happened.  Only the Russian economy didn&#039;t quite make it and a lot of people fell into the chasm.  Those who didn&#039;t make it became disillusioned.  I was there, and people might be surprised at how many Russians started to look upon the Soviet Union as the &quot;good old days.&quot;

I would suggest that our model of development is fundamentally flawed for the developees, because its primary concern is the health and wealth of the developers.  What&#039;s more important, well fed Ethiopians or cheap cut flowers for Germans?  It depends on whether you&#039;re German or Ethiopian, i guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting analysis, that looks spot on.  But it does not appear (at least not in this rather brief overview) to take into account the validity of our model for development.  That model is based on export, export, export.  It assumes that the only way to develop a nation&#8217;s economy and political structure is to globalize it&#8230;which is a good long-term goal.  Unfortunately, the developed nations suggest that developing nations not bother to learn crawling before they start running marathons.  And in many cases, the local ways are discarded as a prerequisite for &#8220;development&#8221;.</p>
<p>For example, we consistently structure the agriculture of developing nations around export, commodity crops.  The assumption is that export generates money which will then be used to buy food, often imported food.  But this leaves the local farmers caught in the double bind of increasing yield.  The more they grow, the lower the prices.  And to grow more they must increase their reliance on expensive inputs like fertilizers and pesticides.  Or, as in the case of Ethiopia, they choose to use their most productive land to grow crops like cut flowers for the European market.</p>
<p>The example of Russia is a good one, but it must be remembered that there was a great debate during the nineties of how to convert that economy.  The choice was simple and described by visualizing a chasm with the Soviet economy on one side and a market economy on the other.  Either Russia could attempt to slowly build a bridge, or they could jump the chasm Evil Knievel style.  The West pushed hard for just making the jump, and that&#8217;s what happened.  Only the Russian economy didn&#8217;t quite make it and a lot of people fell into the chasm.  Those who didn&#8217;t make it became disillusioned.  I was there, and people might be surprised at how many Russians started to look upon the Soviet Union as the &#8220;good old days.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would suggest that our model of development is fundamentally flawed for the developees, because its primary concern is the health and wealth of the developers.  What&#8217;s more important, well fed Ethiopians or cheap cut flowers for Germans?  It depends on whether you&#8217;re German or Ethiopian, i guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a world where people lack the skills and education to parse the complexity of major events and systems, it&#039;s ridiculously easy for a cynical pol to step up and take credit. To some extent I think all countries are like South Africa, Venezuela, Russia, etc. They need simple answers, and there are always power-hungry thugs around to provide them, aren&#039;t there?

Outstanding analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a world where people lack the skills and education to parse the complexity of major events and systems, it&#8217;s ridiculously easy for a cynical pol to step up and take credit. To some extent I think all countries are like South Africa, Venezuela, Russia, etc. They need simple answers, and there are always power-hungry thugs around to provide them, aren&#8217;t there?</p>
<p>Outstanding analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: www.buzzflash.net</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>A thoughtful, detailed analysis of the economic prospects in nations dominated by corrupt leaders, including multiple African governments, Russia, and Venezuela&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worth waiting for.

When sub-saharan Africa was claimed by Europe she had a history of development that spanned centuries and S-S A was a sitting duck for the civilization that bore down upon it.  While America was colonised and the Native American numbers decreased the exact opposit happened in Africa.  The black man was harnessed wholesale and uniquely...in a way that the Native American never was.  Africa was never going to be another America.

I can&#039;t see the indigenous people of S-S A breaking free from their tribal heritage and traditions, their propensity to settle matters with physical violence, their male dominated mindset, women as lesser beings, their &#039;polygamous society&#039; and their bully boy tactics any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worth waiting for.</p>
<p>When sub-saharan Africa was claimed by Europe she had a history of development that spanned centuries and S-S A was a sitting duck for the civilization that bore down upon it.  While America was colonised and the Native American numbers decreased the exact opposit happened in Africa.  The black man was harnessed wholesale and uniquely&#8230;in a way that the Native American never was.  Africa was never going to be another America.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see the indigenous people of S-S A breaking free from their tribal heritage and traditions, their propensity to settle matters with physical violence, their male dominated mindset, women as lesser beings, their &#8216;polygamous society&#8217; and their bully boy tactics any time soon.</p>
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