Comments on: Tale of two zingers http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/12/tale-of-two-zingers/ Think. It ain't illegal yet... Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:48:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: John Doraemi http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/12/tale-of-two-zingers/comment-page-1/#comment-12039 John Doraemi Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:11:36 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/12/tale-of-two-zingers/#comment-12039 We're taking this "swing" at face value? There is much evidence of vote fraud, and Diebold systems are notorious for being hackable. There simply are no more elections if people don't demand an end to black box voting. Hillary has been the darling of Fox news for some time now (strong indication that certain factions are backing her). She's a neocon. Her hubby vacations with Poppy Bush. We have had no legitimate elections at least since 2000. And the entire issue can just be ignored? We’re taking this “swing” at face value?

There is much evidence of vote fraud, and Diebold systems are notorious for being hackable.

There simply are no more elections if people don’t demand an end to black box voting.

Hillary has been the darling of Fox news for some time now (strong indication that certain factions are backing her). She’s a neocon. Her hubby vacations with Poppy Bush.

We have had no legitimate elections at least since 2000. And the entire issue can just be ignored?

]]> By: Dr. Slammy http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/12/tale-of-two-zingers/comment-page-1/#comment-12007 Dr. Slammy Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:05:36 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/12/tale-of-two-zingers/#comment-12007 I love a good zinger as much as the next guy. But it's frustrating to live in a society where these kinds of issues are seen as important. Discuss POLICY?! What are you, stupid?! If it gets any worse, we'll have to start deciding elections via a Smack-Off, moderated by Jim Rome. I love a good zinger as much as the next guy. But it’s frustrating to live in a society where these kinds of issues are seen as important. Discuss POLICY?! What are you, stupid?!

If it gets any worse, we’ll have to start deciding elections via a Smack-Off, moderated by Jim Rome.

]]> By: Brian Angliss http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/12/tale-of-two-zingers/comment-page-1/#comment-11991 Brian Angliss Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:08:19 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/12/tale-of-two-zingers/#comment-11991 Djerred - agreed. I'm actually quite thrilled that the first two states went for 4 different candidates. Now all we need is for the <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1952156/posts" rel="nofollow">Michigan Democrats for Mitt Romney</a> help him in Michigan to keep everything really interesting. As much as I still think it'll all be over on Feb. 5, I have the occasional wild fantasy about the 2008 Democratic convention in actually being up in the air. Djerred – agreed. I’m actually quite thrilled that the first two states went for 4 different candidates. Now all we need is for the Michigan Democrats for Mitt Romney help him in Michigan to keep everything really interesting.

As much as I still think it’ll all be over on Feb. 5, I have the occasional wild fantasy about the 2008 Democratic convention in actually being up in the air.

]]> By: Djerrid http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/12/tale-of-two-zingers/comment-page-1/#comment-11989 Djerrid Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:42:03 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/12/tale-of-two-zingers/#comment-11989 It seems that after Clinton's upset in NH, every political pundit and their mother was scrambling to find a reason for it. One obvious knee to jerk was her teary eyes and the Softer Side of Sears/Clinton. The next (which makes the most sense to me) was the economic fears, parsed from the exit polls, of those who voted for her; those were deemed more practical than idealistic. And the third was Obama's impatience with Clinton's emotional self-preening. As much as there is the whiff of a cult of personality around Obama's campaign, he has always tried to shape the choice between two very different styles of governing. Hope vs. fear. Striving for something better vs. just keeping what you fear at bay. I believe Clinton's best hope is to keep the electorate afraid, of the economy, terrorists, the "vast Right Wing conspiracy", so that they will stick with the known known quantity, even if it is an inferior quality. This will need to be balanced by a warmer shade of Martha Stewart. I watched a town meeting she hosted the Sunday before the vote and she was playing the very gracious host with Hillary taking down the restraining ropes to let a mother with a young baby through and Chelsea giving up her seat for them. All cynicism aside it was a very heartwarming moment and she was very sincere about waiting for everyone to come in and find a place to sit and then taking the time to answer all of their questions before she left. Of course I then read yesterday how her advance team moved bleachers around and limited entry to create the illusion of a full house. Obama on the other hand was overplaying the heartstrings while giving the brass tacks a short shrift. He was playing his frontrunner status too hard on the stage in front of huge stadiums giving a great speech and leaving without asking questions (at least at the CSPAN event that I saw). I think he will do better now that he isn't the obvious front runner and he will go back to retail politics in NV and SC. He looked like he was getting ahead of himself with the polls showing a strong lead and Clinton's Halo of Inevitability floating over to him. Either way I'm glad the race isn't over yet so it will give more people more say in who will be their leader for the next four years, including myself. It seems that after Clinton’s upset in NH, every political pundit and their mother was scrambling to find a reason for it. One obvious knee to jerk was her teary eyes and the Softer Side of Sears/Clinton. The next (which makes the most sense to me) was the economic fears, parsed from the exit polls, of those who voted for her; those were deemed more practical than idealistic. And the third was Obama’s impatience with Clinton’s emotional self-preening. As much as there is the whiff of a cult of personality around Obama’s campaign, he has always tried to shape the choice between two very different styles of governing. Hope vs. fear. Striving for something better vs. just keeping what you fear at bay.

I believe Clinton’s best hope is to keep the electorate afraid, of the economy, terrorists, the “vast Right Wing conspiracy”, so that they will stick with the known known quantity, even if it is an inferior quality. This will need to be balanced by a warmer shade of Martha Stewart. I watched a town meeting she hosted the Sunday before the vote and she was playing the very gracious host with Hillary taking down the restraining ropes to let a mother with a young baby through and Chelsea giving up her seat for them. All cynicism aside it was a very heartwarming moment and she was very sincere about waiting for everyone to come in and find a place to sit and then taking the time to answer all of their questions before she left. Of course I then read yesterday how her advance team moved bleachers around and limited entry to create the illusion of a full house.

Obama on the other hand was overplaying the heartstrings while giving the brass tacks a short shrift. He was playing his frontrunner status too hard on the stage in front of huge stadiums giving a great speech and leaving without asking questions (at least at the CSPAN event that I saw). I think he will do better now that he isn’t the obvious front runner and he will go back to retail politics in NV and SC. He looked like he was getting ahead of himself with the polls showing a strong lead and Clinton’s Halo of Inevitability floating over to him.

Either way I’m glad the race isn’t over yet so it will give more people more say in who will be their leader for the next four years, including myself.

]]> By: Tom http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/12/tale-of-two-zingers/comment-page-1/#comment-11956 Tom Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:44:04 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/12/tale-of-two-zingers/#comment-11956 We all need to really work to get people to understand that they must not vote for Hillary or Obama etc, instead we must vote for REAL CHANGE: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di_DGXS-HM8&feature=PlayList&p=470BDCBC66FECA86&index=0&playnext=1" rel="nofollow">Vote Gravel</a> <b>see</b> <i>amazing</i> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di_DGXS-HM8&feature=PlayList&p=470BDCBC66FECA86&index=0&playnext=1" rel="nofollow">video</a> We all need to really work to get people to understand that they must not vote for Hillary or Obama etc, instead we must vote for REAL CHANGE: Vote Gravel
see amazing
video

]]> By: polrick http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/12/tale-of-two-zingers/comment-page-1/#comment-11951 polrick Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:56:17 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/12/tale-of-two-zingers/#comment-11951 When I was in high school I used to think it would be cool to have an especially witty president, but I've subsequently realized that, because of the president's visibility and influence, s/he has a responsibility to weigh words with exceptional care. When I was in high school I used to think it would be cool to have an especially witty president, but I’ve subsequently realized that, because of the president’s visibility and influence, s/he has a responsibility to weigh words with exceptional care.

]]> By: Anon http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/12/tale-of-two-zingers/comment-page-1/#comment-11930 Anon Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:53:59 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/12/tale-of-two-zingers/#comment-11930 On what planet are these remarks thought so wildly witty? They're both inevitable remarks. You say certain things, and you get certain responses. If you could program a computer well enough to respond competently to all statements addressed to it, that computer would respond with these comments or similar ones. This column makes me think of high school, where I or someone else could make some inevitable or obvious comment and the other students would respond by patting a shoulder and saying, "Whoa, good one!" Yeah, whoa, good one. Overpraise for normal human communication. Way to go. On what planet are these remarks thought so wildly witty? They’re both inevitable remarks. You say certain things, and you get certain responses. If you could program a computer well enough to respond competently to all statements addressed to it, that computer would respond with these comments or similar ones.

This column makes me think of high school, where I or someone else could make some inevitable or obvious comment and the other students would respond by patting a shoulder and saying, “Whoa, good one!”

Yeah, whoa, good one. Overpraise for normal human communication. Way to go.

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