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	<title>Comments on: Getting us out of Iraq can get us out of recession</title>
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	<description>Think - it ain&#039;t illegal yet...</description>
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		<title>By: Boztopia.com &#124; The environmental crisis isn&#8217;t like a toothache&#8230;you can&#8217;t drill your way out of it.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boztopia.com &#124; The environmental crisis isn&#8217;t like a toothache&#8230;you can&#8217;t drill your way out of it.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lest we forget, an endless war in Iraq that has led to permanent bases and garrisons designed to ensure the safety of those precious [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; John and Elizabeth Edwards agree: Getting us out of Iraq can end the recession</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; John and Elizabeth Edwards agree: Getting us out of Iraq can end the recession</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pleases me to no end to see an idea I strongly advocate getting such traction from the public, the press, and the political players alike. Without [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Make Them Accountable / Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Make Them Accountable / Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is to get the country out of Iraq, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll. Scholars and Rogues made this suggestion more than three weeks ago.Â  Itâ€™s nice to see the mainstream media catching [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is to get the country out of Iraq, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll. Scholars and Rogues made this suggestion more than three weeks ago.Â  Itâ€™s nice to see the mainstream media catching [...]</p>
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		<title>By: FLASHBACK: Economists Predicted That A Prolonged U.S. Presence In Iraq Could Lead To A Recession</title>
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		<dc:creator>FLASHBACK: Economists Predicted That A Prolonged U.S. Presence In Iraq Could Lead To A Recession</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE: Martin at Scholars and Rogues has more. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Think Progress &#187; FLASHBACK: Economists Predicted That A Prolonged U.S. Presence In Iraq Could Lead To A Recession</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Progress &#187; FLASHBACK: Economists Predicted That A Prolonged U.S. Presence In Iraq Could Lead To A Recession</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE: Martin at Scholars and Rogues has more. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Article is true, BUT

The Iraq war is going on AT LEAST another FOUR YEARS.

AT LEAST</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Article is true, BUT</p>
<p>The Iraq war is going on AT LEAST another FOUR YEARS.</p>
<p>AT LEAST</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very true.  I find it interesting about the cost of the war on DC taxpayers.  Hardly seems fair considering they get no voting representation in Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true.  I find it interesting about the cost of the war on DC taxpayers.  Hardly seems fair considering they get no voting representation in Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to be a Ron Paul troll, but you did all the work for me!  
&quot;instead of trying to push Iraq aside in peopleâ€™s minds, Democrats and progressives should link the two together. Every dollar spent in Iraq, fighting a war started on a lie that has cost us immeasurably, is a dollar not spent on rebuilding our countryâ€™s prosperity, peace, and future solvency.

End the war, bring our troops home, and letâ€™s get down to the equally painful business of rebuilding our countryâ€™s economic base and transiting us out from a system based on debt, consumption, greed, and graft.&quot;

Could be right out of a Ron Paul stump speech.  He DOES tie the war and the economic disaster together,  along with all the other spending we do abroad.  &quot;We&#039;re paying to blow up bridges over there, then we pay to build the bridges again over there, but meanwhile our OWN bridges are collapsing and we don&#039;t have any resources left to take care of them!&quot;  is one of his favorite quotes.  Or how about &quot;I believe that we are in a recession.  And if you want to talk about rescuing our economy, you have to talk about a drastic change in our foreign policy.  We can&#039;t afford this policy of global empire!&quot;

Incredible that you should end up a Paul supporter on policy, no matter which way you will vote. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to be a Ron Paul troll, but you did all the work for me!<br />
&#8220;instead of trying to push Iraq aside in peopleâ€™s minds, Democrats and progressives should link the two together. Every dollar spent in Iraq, fighting a war started on a lie that has cost us immeasurably, is a dollar not spent on rebuilding our countryâ€™s prosperity, peace, and future solvency.</p>
<p>End the war, bring our troops home, and letâ€™s get down to the equally painful business of rebuilding our countryâ€™s economic base and transiting us out from a system based on debt, consumption, greed, and graft.&#8221;</p>
<p>Could be right out of a Ron Paul stump speech.  He DOES tie the war and the economic disaster together,  along with all the other spending we do abroad.  &#8220;We&#8217;re paying to blow up bridges over there, then we pay to build the bridges again over there, but meanwhile our OWN bridges are collapsing and we don&#8217;t have any resources left to take care of them!&#8221;  is one of his favorite quotes.  Or how about &#8220;I believe that we are in a recession.  And if you want to talk about rescuing our economy, you have to talk about a drastic change in our foreign policy.  We can&#8217;t afford this policy of global empire!&#8221;</p>
<p>Incredible that you should end up a Paul supporter on policy, no matter which way you will vote. <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joe Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is tremendously important. Another head-turning story is that unexploded thermite chips were discovered in the Word Trade Center dust. You can watch the announcement at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4186920967571123147&amp;hl=en</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is tremendously important. Another head-turning story is that unexploded thermite chips were discovered in the Word Trade Center dust. You can watch the announcement at <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4186920967571123147&amp;hl=en" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4186920967571123147&amp;hl=en</a></p>
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		<title>By: yeah right</title>
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		<dc:creator>yeah right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul 2008!</description>
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		<title>By: Make Them Accountable / Top Story</title>
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		<dc:creator>Make Them Accountable / Top Story</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Getting us out of Iraq can get us out of recession (Scholars &amp; Rogues, thanks to Nicole Belle at Crooks and Liars) The American Prospectâ€™s Harold Meyerson has an op-ed in the Washington Post â€¦ outlining the nature of the coming recession, and â€¦ that without some serious infusion of jobs, cash, and direction from the government, this recession may deepen into a depression that will take years to recover from. â€œOkay,â€ you may be asking, â€œbut where can we get the money for such a thing? Thatâ€™s going to be expensive!â€ Well, hereâ€™s one simple ideaâ€“ending the war in Iraq immediately and bringing our troops home. Imagine what we could do with the influx of capital weâ€™re wasting on a failed venture that has cost thousands of lives and tens of millions of dollars. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Getting us out of Iraq can get us out of recession (Scholars &#38; Rogues, thanks to Nicole Belle at Crooks and Liars) The American Prospectâ€™s Harold Meyerson has an op-ed in the Washington Post â€¦ outlining the nature of the coming recession, and â€¦ that without some serious infusion of jobs, cash, and direction from the government, this recession may deepen into a depression that will take years to recover from. â€œOkay,â€ you may be asking, â€œbut where can we get the money for such a thing? Thatâ€™s going to be expensive!â€ Well, hereâ€™s one simple ideaâ€“ending the war in Iraq immediately and bringing our troops home. Imagine what we could do with the influx of capital weâ€™re wasting on a failed venture that has cost thousands of lives and tens of millions of dollars. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Minator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said the war in Iraq is a failed venture. Donâ€™t you watch the news? We are winning the war! How do you intemperate winning into failure?  Why are liberals always so naÃ¯ve? Liberals live in an imaginary make believe world. Citi Bankâ€™s problems were caused by fluctuations in the real estate market. Has nothing to do with the war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said the war in Iraq is a failed venture. Donâ€™t you watch the news? We are winning the war! How do you intemperate winning into failure?  Why are liberals always so naÃ¯ve? Liberals live in an imaginary make believe world. Citi Bankâ€™s problems were caused by fluctuations in the real estate market. Has nothing to do with the war.</p>
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		<title>By: Minator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting out if Iraq will not get the USA out of recession! Where do you believe all the money spent on this necessary war is going? Itâ€™s paid to hundreds of thousands of Americans who work for a living manufacturing equipment and ordinance for our great military. The money goes from the government back into the society of the employed. The author of this article thinks this money would be better spent by giving it to welfare seekers. Typical of the liberal mind. That would certainly cause recession!
 Are you aware that the onset of WW2 is what pulled America out of the great depression? When more people work and are productive this ends recession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting out if Iraq will not get the USA out of recession! Where do you believe all the money spent on this necessary war is going? Itâ€™s paid to hundreds of thousands of Americans who work for a living manufacturing equipment and ordinance for our great military. The money goes from the government back into the society of the employed. The author of this article thinks this money would be better spent by giving it to welfare seekers. Typical of the liberal mind. That would certainly cause recession!<br />
 Are you aware that the onset of WW2 is what pulled America out of the great depression? When more people work and are productive this ends recession.</p>
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		<title>By: Calm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America has been in a steady decline for 20 years now. 

The Federal debt was $1.142 trillion in 1982.

On September 30, 2007 the U.S. government owed $8.993 trillion.

I would think that America is about 40 or 50 trillion in the hole and credit card debt is another trillion dollars.
The only reason America â€œappearedâ€ to be recovering since the 1982 recession is because the Americans borrowed 10 trillion dollars. 

America is spending 7% more then what it earns or produces each year. 

The U.S. government has a ton of futurists working and calculating the financial status of the country. Just as Britain knew well in advance of it&#039;s decline as a world economic power in 1870 and which did not occur till immediately after World War One, the American&#039;s know too that the writing is on the wall as China takes it&#039;s place upon the world stage.

The United States was not called a &quot;Great Power&quot; until about 1892.

After the Napoleonic Wars in Europe, (1814-15) there was no power on earth which was greater than the British Empire. &quot;As good as Sterling&quot; was the same as the U.S. dollar or &quot;Greenback&quot; is today. Around 1850, is when the British Empire began it&#039;s decline. 

Just as America is doing now, from 1883 to 1913, Britain increased its dependence on imported goods following the introduction of free trade. 

About 1870 the German Reich emerged as a new economic player on the map of Continental Europe in the same way that China is doing so at this moment in time. In August 1914, Britain declared war against Germany in an attempt to stop the development of Germany&#039;s economy which was a threat to British hegemony.

Immediately following the end of World War I, Britain collapsed as an &quot;Economic Power&quot; and America became the dominant world power. The Balfour agreement (1917) initiated by the British and giving the Jewish Folks a home in Palestine was in return for Jewish Banking assistance during World War I. Britain&#039;s World War II costs were financed by American banks and Britain did not complete repayment of these American loans until December 2006.

There is huge anger mounting towards the government.
http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll

&quot;Americans are the only people I know who believe their own propaganda.&quot;
--Deborah Eisenberg, American writer--

It was Bill Clinton who bailed out the manufacturing sector and created the Dot-Com Boom because he changed the tax rules and where any company buying computer related stuff because of the &quot;Y2K&quot; Bug, got a complete tax write off. Immediately after the Y2K-Trip was shown to be false, the Dot-Com bust happened. The American government created the Dot-Com Boom as a means to stimulate the faltering economy.

Lets know what has happened to the economy since 9-11 ....

Airlines were bailed out and laws were introduced which reduced the amount of luggage each passenger could carry on board .... thus saving the airlines huge fuel costs.

Auto manufacturers were bailed out with military vehicle contracts in the same way that Ronnie Ray-Gun bailed out Chrysler during the Latin American wars.

Huge amounts of money was thrown at small-town America via the Home Land Security Department. Every police force has been militarized and equipped with SWAT teams.

60% of the U.S. economy is related to the construction industry.

The U.S. government bailed out the retail sector with the huge infusion of cash via home mortgages.

Let&#039;s face it, anybody with a brain in their heads knew that it would be quite impossible to find &quot;qualified&quot; home buyers in a declining economic environment. But, the government needed to find a way to push money into the market place and bail out the retail sector.

This was a deliberate and intentional policy of the American government in an effort to stimulate retail sales. Before instituting this lending scheme, the American governnment brought in new personal bankruptcy laws in 2005. Then the American bankers encouraged the lending of money to unsuspecting home buyers and who canâ€™t very easily declare personal bankruptcy. The American government used this loan scheme to pour billions into the economy. 60% of American employment is tied to the construction industry and it is American home owners who feed the retail sector.
This â€œRecessionâ€ is going to be worse then 1982. All the American politicians are talking about stimulating the economy but America is bankrupt. They canâ€™t even raise enough cash to bail out the banks. Just this week, the largest bank in the U.S. had to go to Singapore and China to grab some cash to stave off bankruptcy. There is no way that they will find any cash to save the decline of America. Even the insurance companies which insured these sub-prime loans are now bankrupt.

The auto sector is bankrupt. The major auto manufacturers are selling off all their assets before they declare bankruptcy. If they did not sell their assets to India and China, then the workers are entitled to seize assets in lieu of lost pension funds. With the selling of the assets now, the shareholders are raping the pension fund and running off with the dividends now.

It is Take-Away-Time in America.

There is no way that the Government can every hope to meet all the promises made by the Capitalist system over the past 100 years. No corporate pension funds are safe and the Federal Pension Guarantee fund is bankrupt.
Americanâ€™s think that they are immune from the same financial disaster which the U.S.S.R. suffered through in the 80â€™s or as every other past empire had happen all throughout history. In the next five years, 75 million Americans who were born after WWII, are gonna be standing in line to collect social security at 23 thousand dollars per year. In addition; Public Sector (civil servants) Retirement Benefits will cost $2.73 trillion. There is no way in hell that the Capitalist System can ever hope to keep the promises made to the Working Class over the past 50 years. 

The Federal government canâ€™t even face up to their responsibilities to those disabled folks who qualify right now for social security payments. For sure the government will not be able to meet the payments for the 75 million expected retirees during the next 5 years.

Disabled And Waiting
CBS News Investigation: Backlog In Disability Benefits System Leaves Thousands Of Vulnerable Americans Stranded
A two-month CBS News investigation has found that over the last two years, at least 16,000 people fighting for disability benefits died while awaiting a decision.
Overall, the backlog of cases now stands at 750,000 - up 150 percent since 2000.
It could take 2.5 years to get your hearing.
Examiners warned by their superiors that approving claims today could cost the government millions tomorrow.
â€œSo are you saying, in essence, there was a quota system?â€ Keteyian asked.
â€œEvery state had different numbers,â€ she said. â€œThey know that a certain percentage of people, once denied, will never file an appeal.â€
January 14, 2008
Part I of II
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....2627.shtml
Part II of II
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....8129.shtml

If executives at Enron, Tyco or Worldcom resort to such financial mismanagement, cheating shareholders out of their future retirement, they end up in jail.

When politicians do it, they get re-elected.

And donâ€™t forget the spiraling costs of health care of an aging population. 

The government knows full well that the Ordinary Joe is not gonna take this sitting down. There are gonna be riots.

It was Bill Clinton who first introduced the Patriot Act and appointed a &quot;domestic military czar&quot;. Clinton and his furturists recognized the decline of the American empire.

Google:
Presidential Decision Directive 62, Protection Against Unconventional Threats to the Homeland and Overseas, dated May 1998, and Presidential Decision Directive 39.

We can expect to hear American&#039;s totally demonize Chinese products and hide behind &quot;Safety&quot; and &quot;Green&quot; rather then the real truth being trade barriers. The Olympics will be shown as a &quot;polluted&quot; games and where China is responsible for all of America&#039;s woes. (Just as Britian demonized Germany prior 1914.)
This is why all the â€œDomesticâ€ terrorism laws have been introduced. Martial Law will be imposed. I think that the establishment would prefer that Obama become president because the Lower Class are more likely to listen to â€œOne Of Their Ownâ€ as the economy crumbles.

China is the new kid on the block.

As America declares â€œbankruptcyâ€, a new currency will need to be in place and it will be called the â€œAmeroâ€ and it will be the currency for all of North America. (Mexico, U.S.A. and Canada.)

Quiz: What kind of Anarchist are you?
By BiffoTheBear
http://quizfarm.com/test.php?q_id=37281

The only reason Hitler came to power was because of the depression of the 1930&#039;s. 

Poor Folks in Europe suffered alot more then the Poor Folks in North America. The Poor Folks in Europe watched the Rich Folks flaunt their wealth during the Roaring 20&#039;s .... and they remembered this as the Poor Folks were selling their family heirlooms in Pawnshops. It just so happened that a majority of the pawnshops were owned by Jewish Folks and Gypsies. 

The Rich Folks in America are running scared! The Partiot Act is for the protection of the Rich Folks because they don&#039;t want a Hitler-Trip to happen in America.

Unions which support or organize protests will be called extremist groups. 

The media is broadcasting &quot;Religious&quot; themed shows because the establishment is trying to sell the Poor Folks a conscience. 

As the Rich Folks walked by the Poor Homeless person upon the street during past years .... the Rich Folks don&#039;t want the Poor Folks walking by them as they are strung-up on lamp posts.

The establishment knows that the internet is the greatest threat to them. We can expect many stories within the media which demonizes the internet and paints everyone as a pedophile. Laws will be introduced where you will need a broadcast licence to offer videos on the net. A broadcast licence costs millions and only the establishment will be able to afford them.

We can expect the American election campaign to be about how &quot;Strong&quot; and &quot;Decisive&quot; the new American president will need to be in order to take away all the promises which Corporate America made to the Working Class. American&#039;s will be told that the loss of the social security net promised within a Capitalist System is a &quot;Proud&quot; part of American democracy and not something to be ashamed of.

The election campaign will be a Rodney-King-Trip of &quot;Can&#039;t We All Just Get Along?&quot; 

The election will only be .... a choice between Tweedledum and Tweedledummer. There is little difference between the candidates or political parties .... It will be an election of Regime Rotation between the Democrats and Republicans ....and which, in truth, provides only an illusion of a functioning democracy. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America has been in a steady decline for 20 years now. </p>
<p>The Federal debt was $1.142 trillion in 1982.</p>
<p>On September 30, 2007 the U.S. government owed $8.993 trillion.</p>
<p>I would think that America is about 40 or 50 trillion in the hole and credit card debt is another trillion dollars.<br />
The only reason America â€œappearedâ€ to be recovering since the 1982 recession is because the Americans borrowed 10 trillion dollars. </p>
<p>America is spending 7% more then what it earns or produces each year. </p>
<p>The U.S. government has a ton of futurists working and calculating the financial status of the country. Just as Britain knew well in advance of it&#8217;s decline as a world economic power in 1870 and which did not occur till immediately after World War One, the American&#8217;s know too that the writing is on the wall as China takes it&#8217;s place upon the world stage.</p>
<p>The United States was not called a &#8220;Great Power&#8221; until about 1892.</p>
<p>After the Napoleonic Wars in Europe, (1814-15) there was no power on earth which was greater than the British Empire. &#8220;As good as Sterling&#8221; was the same as the U.S. dollar or &#8220;Greenback&#8221; is today. Around 1850, is when the British Empire began it&#8217;s decline. </p>
<p>Just as America is doing now, from 1883 to 1913, Britain increased its dependence on imported goods following the introduction of free trade. </p>
<p>About 1870 the German Reich emerged as a new economic player on the map of Continental Europe in the same way that China is doing so at this moment in time. In August 1914, Britain declared war against Germany in an attempt to stop the development of Germany&#8217;s economy which was a threat to British hegemony.</p>
<p>Immediately following the end of World War I, Britain collapsed as an &#8220;Economic Power&#8221; and America became the dominant world power. The Balfour agreement (1917) initiated by the British and giving the Jewish Folks a home in Palestine was in return for Jewish Banking assistance during World War I. Britain&#8217;s World War II costs were financed by American banks and Britain did not complete repayment of these American loans until December 2006.</p>
<p>There is huge anger mounting towards the government.<br />
<a href="http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll" rel="nofollow">http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Americans are the only people I know who believe their own propaganda.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Deborah Eisenberg, American writer&#8211;</p>
<p>It was Bill Clinton who bailed out the manufacturing sector and created the Dot-Com Boom because he changed the tax rules and where any company buying computer related stuff because of the &#8220;Y2K&#8221; Bug, got a complete tax write off. Immediately after the Y2K-Trip was shown to be false, the Dot-Com bust happened. The American government created the Dot-Com Boom as a means to stimulate the faltering economy.</p>
<p>Lets know what has happened to the economy since 9-11 &#8230;.</p>
<p>Airlines were bailed out and laws were introduced which reduced the amount of luggage each passenger could carry on board &#8230;. thus saving the airlines huge fuel costs.</p>
<p>Auto manufacturers were bailed out with military vehicle contracts in the same way that Ronnie Ray-Gun bailed out Chrysler during the Latin American wars.</p>
<p>Huge amounts of money was thrown at small-town America via the Home Land Security Department. Every police force has been militarized and equipped with SWAT teams.</p>
<p>60% of the U.S. economy is related to the construction industry.</p>
<p>The U.S. government bailed out the retail sector with the huge infusion of cash via home mortgages.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, anybody with a brain in their heads knew that it would be quite impossible to find &#8220;qualified&#8221; home buyers in a declining economic environment. But, the government needed to find a way to push money into the market place and bail out the retail sector.</p>
<p>This was a deliberate and intentional policy of the American government in an effort to stimulate retail sales. Before instituting this lending scheme, the American governnment brought in new personal bankruptcy laws in 2005. Then the American bankers encouraged the lending of money to unsuspecting home buyers and who canâ€™t very easily declare personal bankruptcy. The American government used this loan scheme to pour billions into the economy. 60% of American employment is tied to the construction industry and it is American home owners who feed the retail sector.<br />
This â€œRecessionâ€ is going to be worse then 1982. All the American politicians are talking about stimulating the economy but America is bankrupt. They canâ€™t even raise enough cash to bail out the banks. Just this week, the largest bank in the U.S. had to go to Singapore and China to grab some cash to stave off bankruptcy. There is no way that they will find any cash to save the decline of America. Even the insurance companies which insured these sub-prime loans are now bankrupt.</p>
<p>The auto sector is bankrupt. The major auto manufacturers are selling off all their assets before they declare bankruptcy. If they did not sell their assets to India and China, then the workers are entitled to seize assets in lieu of lost pension funds. With the selling of the assets now, the shareholders are raping the pension fund and running off with the dividends now.</p>
<p>It is Take-Away-Time in America.</p>
<p>There is no way that the Government can every hope to meet all the promises made by the Capitalist system over the past 100 years. No corporate pension funds are safe and the Federal Pension Guarantee fund is bankrupt.<br />
Americanâ€™s think that they are immune from the same financial disaster which the U.S.S.R. suffered through in the 80â€™s or as every other past empire had happen all throughout history. In the next five years, 75 million Americans who were born after WWII, are gonna be standing in line to collect social security at 23 thousand dollars per year. In addition; Public Sector (civil servants) Retirement Benefits will cost $2.73 trillion. There is no way in hell that the Capitalist System can ever hope to keep the promises made to the Working Class over the past 50 years. </p>
<p>The Federal government canâ€™t even face up to their responsibilities to those disabled folks who qualify right now for social security payments. For sure the government will not be able to meet the payments for the 75 million expected retirees during the next 5 years.</p>
<p>Disabled And Waiting<br />
CBS News Investigation: Backlog In Disability Benefits System Leaves Thousands Of Vulnerable Americans Stranded<br />
A two-month CBS News investigation has found that over the last two years, at least 16,000 people fighting for disability benefits died while awaiting a decision.<br />
Overall, the backlog of cases now stands at 750,000 &#8211; up 150 percent since 2000.<br />
It could take 2.5 years to get your hearing.<br />
Examiners warned by their superiors that approving claims today could cost the government millions tomorrow.<br />
â€œSo are you saying, in essence, there was a quota system?â€ Keteyian asked.<br />
â€œEvery state had different numbers,â€ she said. â€œThey know that a certain percentage of people, once denied, will never file an appeal.â€<br />
January 14, 2008<br />
Part I of II<br />
<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....2627.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories&#8230;..2627.shtml</a><br />
Part II of II<br />
<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....8129.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories&#8230;..8129.shtml</a></p>
<p>If executives at Enron, Tyco or Worldcom resort to such financial mismanagement, cheating shareholders out of their future retirement, they end up in jail.</p>
<p>When politicians do it, they get re-elected.</p>
<p>And donâ€™t forget the spiraling costs of health care of an aging population. </p>
<p>The government knows full well that the Ordinary Joe is not gonna take this sitting down. There are gonna be riots.</p>
<p>It was Bill Clinton who first introduced the Patriot Act and appointed a &#8220;domestic military czar&#8221;. Clinton and his furturists recognized the decline of the American empire.</p>
<p>Google:<br />
Presidential Decision Directive 62, Protection Against Unconventional Threats to the Homeland and Overseas, dated May 1998, and Presidential Decision Directive 39.</p>
<p>We can expect to hear American&#8217;s totally demonize Chinese products and hide behind &#8220;Safety&#8221; and &#8220;Green&#8221; rather then the real truth being trade barriers. The Olympics will be shown as a &#8220;polluted&#8221; games and where China is responsible for all of America&#8217;s woes. (Just as Britian demonized Germany prior 1914.)<br />
This is why all the â€œDomesticâ€ terrorism laws have been introduced. Martial Law will be imposed. I think that the establishment would prefer that Obama become president because the Lower Class are more likely to listen to â€œOne Of Their Ownâ€ as the economy crumbles.</p>
<p>China is the new kid on the block.</p>
<p>As America declares â€œbankruptcyâ€, a new currency will need to be in place and it will be called the â€œAmeroâ€ and it will be the currency for all of North America. (Mexico, U.S.A. and Canada.)</p>
<p>Quiz: What kind of Anarchist are you?<br />
By BiffoTheBear<br />
<a href="http://quizfarm.com/test.php?q_id=37281" rel="nofollow">http://quizfarm.com/test.php?q_id=37281</a></p>
<p>The only reason Hitler came to power was because of the depression of the 1930&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Poor Folks in Europe suffered alot more then the Poor Folks in North America. The Poor Folks in Europe watched the Rich Folks flaunt their wealth during the Roaring 20&#8217;s &#8230;. and they remembered this as the Poor Folks were selling their family heirlooms in Pawnshops. It just so happened that a majority of the pawnshops were owned by Jewish Folks and Gypsies. </p>
<p>The Rich Folks in America are running scared! The Partiot Act is for the protection of the Rich Folks because they don&#8217;t want a Hitler-Trip to happen in America.</p>
<p>Unions which support or organize protests will be called extremist groups. </p>
<p>The media is broadcasting &#8220;Religious&#8221; themed shows because the establishment is trying to sell the Poor Folks a conscience. </p>
<p>As the Rich Folks walked by the Poor Homeless person upon the street during past years &#8230;. the Rich Folks don&#8217;t want the Poor Folks walking by them as they are strung-up on lamp posts.</p>
<p>The establishment knows that the internet is the greatest threat to them. We can expect many stories within the media which demonizes the internet and paints everyone as a pedophile. Laws will be introduced where you will need a broadcast licence to offer videos on the net. A broadcast licence costs millions and only the establishment will be able to afford them.</p>
<p>We can expect the American election campaign to be about how &#8220;Strong&#8221; and &#8220;Decisive&#8221; the new American president will need to be in order to take away all the promises which Corporate America made to the Working Class. American&#8217;s will be told that the loss of the social security net promised within a Capitalist System is a &#8220;Proud&#8221; part of American democracy and not something to be ashamed of.</p>
<p>The election campaign will be a Rodney-King-Trip of &#8220;Can&#8217;t We All Just Get Along?&#8221; </p>
<p>The election will only be &#8230;. a choice between Tweedledum and Tweedledummer. There is little difference between the candidates or political parties &#8230;. It will be an election of Regime Rotation between the Democrats and Republicans &#8230;.and which, in truth, provides only an illusion of a functioning democracy. </p>
<p>Calm</p>
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		<description>1 thing I want to know is Colorado would need 128,670 Port Container Inspectors.  Im pretty sure they dont ship a whole lot of cargo up the Colorado River.</description>
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		<dc:creator>Getting us out of Iraq can get us out of recession</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we changed our ideologies and did spend those billions on creating new jobs and improving infrastructure, there would have been financial returns on our investments rather than throwing it down a rat hole like Iraq with little return other than the heart break of losing loved ones and a massive future financial bill in having to provide medical care for years for thousands of the wounded.
Had we invested those funds in ourselves, we would have had a far better return with well paying jobs, the creation of new industries and workers paying income taxes. Itâ€™s a no brainer. Itâ€™s called investing in yourself at home first, before you head off into a war where no one comes out the winner. If a country is going to increase its debt, better to do it when you know your going to get somethig back out of that investment. Private companies reinvest in themselves all the time to grow and our government should be doing the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we changed our ideologies and did spend those billions on creating new jobs and improving infrastructure, there would have been financial returns on our investments rather than throwing it down a rat hole like Iraq with little return other than the heart break of losing loved ones and a massive future financial bill in having to provide medical care for years for thousands of the wounded.<br />
Had we invested those funds in ourselves, we would have had a far better return with well paying jobs, the creation of new industries and workers paying income taxes. Itâ€™s a no brainer. Itâ€™s called investing in yourself at home first, before you head off into a war where no one comes out the winner. If a country is going to increase its debt, better to do it when you know your going to get somethig back out of that investment. Private companies reinvest in themselves all the time to grow and our government should be doing the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
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		<description>How about we slash the Military Budget by Say 75%! That would still have us spending more than the top 3 countries in the world instead of the rest of the world combined.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we changed our ideologies and did spend those billions on creating new jobs and improving infrastructure, there would have been financial returns on our investments rather than throwing it down a rat hole like Iraq with little return other than the heart break of losing loved ones and a massive future financial bill in having to provide medical care for years for thousands of the wounded.
Had we invested those funds in ourselves, we would have had a far better return with well paying jobs, the creation of new industries and workers paying income taxes. Itâ€™s a no brainer. Itâ€™s called investing in yourself at home first, before you head off into a war where no one comes out the winner. If a country is going to increase its debt, better to do it when you know your going to get somethig back out of that investment. This is exactly what well run companies do and so should government. Invest in your won people and grow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we changed our ideologies and did spend those billions on creating new jobs and improving infrastructure, there would have been financial returns on our investments rather than throwing it down a rat hole like Iraq with little return other than the heart break of losing loved ones and a massive future financial bill in having to provide medical care for years for thousands of the wounded.<br />
Had we invested those funds in ourselves, we would have had a far better return with well paying jobs, the creation of new industries and workers paying income taxes. Itâ€™s a no brainer. Itâ€™s called investing in yourself at home first, before you head off into a war where no one comes out the winner. If a country is going to increase its debt, better to do it when you know your going to get somethig back out of that investment. This is exactly what well run companies do and so should government. Invest in your won people and grow.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Gesellschaft</dc:creator>
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		<description>There&#039;s a candidate who wants to immediately end the occupation in Iraq, close over 700 bases in 130 countries, reopen and open some bases here, bring all the troops home from around the world, the hundreds of thousands of soldiers back on our soil of course spending their incomes HERE (instead of in 130 other countries), use the savings to pay down the deficit and keep the welfare state system afloat, while only deploying troops in self defense or when the people through congress demand it, and obey the constitution.  Who is this presidential hopeful whose raised more money from active duty and from more actual human beings than any other candidate and wipes the floor with guilianni and thompson?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a candidate who wants to immediately end the occupation in Iraq, close over 700 bases in 130 countries, reopen and open some bases here, bring all the troops home from around the world, the hundreds of thousands of soldiers back on our soil of course spending their incomes HERE (instead of in 130 other countries), use the savings to pay down the deficit and keep the welfare state system afloat, while only deploying troops in self defense or when the people through congress demand it, and obey the constitution.  Who is this presidential hopeful whose raised more money from active duty and from more actual human beings than any other candidate and wipes the floor with guilianni and thompson?</p>
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