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	<title>Comments on: The 935 lies of George W. Bush (and friends)</title>
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	<description>Think - it ain&#039;t illegal yet...</description>
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		<title>By: richard day</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eight years ago when a good portion of the electorate were sick and tired of the president&#039;s zipper, I believe that a good number of voters were hoping for a second Bush Administration.  Instead they got a Nixon Two Administration.

Instead of a thousand people named on an enemies list, we now have well over a million names on that enemies list.  and this time they are not allowed to fly or enjoy a private phone call.

This time we are told there are no tapes and we do not have a Judiciary Committee in either house of Congress to demand the evidence that surely is sitting in the White House.

This time when we are told by a top &quot;insider&quot; that Iraq was being planned long before 9/11, no one does anything about it. (see Paul O&#039;neil&#039;s book)

This time there is and has been open theft of government funds by the Vice-President and his old company--the theft of billions and billions of dollars of tax dollars and nothing is done. The last Vice-President caught steeling-and the theft amounted to only a few thousand dollars in bribes--he was hounded out of office and into disgrace.

In Nixon&#039;s Administration scores of executive employes were convicted and sent to jail for lying to congress.  This time when the President&#039;s men lie openly, nothing is done.  Hell, half the time they do not even show up to give any testimony.

Rummy and Cheney learned their lessons and swore that justice would never prevail again in the White House and they won.

I am afraid that Bugliosi--whom I admire greatly and who is now surely on the greatest enemies list since the time of Stalin--is wrong.  Bush and Cheney and Rummy will live out the end of their lives in complete ease and comfort.

Hundreds of felons will go free, felons who have committed crimes thousands of times greater than anyone standing on street corners selling grass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eight years ago when a good portion of the electorate were sick and tired of the president&#8217;s zipper, I believe that a good number of voters were hoping for a second Bush Administration.  Instead they got a Nixon Two Administration.</p>
<p>Instead of a thousand people named on an enemies list, we now have well over a million names on that enemies list.  and this time they are not allowed to fly or enjoy a private phone call.</p>
<p>This time we are told there are no tapes and we do not have a Judiciary Committee in either house of Congress to demand the evidence that surely is sitting in the White House.</p>
<p>This time when we are told by a top &#8220;insider&#8221; that Iraq was being planned long before 9/11, no one does anything about it. (see Paul O&#8217;neil&#8217;s book)</p>
<p>This time there is and has been open theft of government funds by the Vice-President and his old company&#8211;the theft of billions and billions of dollars of tax dollars and nothing is done. The last Vice-President caught steeling-and the theft amounted to only a few thousand dollars in bribes&#8211;he was hounded out of office and into disgrace.</p>
<p>In Nixon&#8217;s Administration scores of executive employes were convicted and sent to jail for lying to congress.  This time when the President&#8217;s men lie openly, nothing is done.  Hell, half the time they do not even show up to give any testimony.</p>
<p>Rummy and Cheney learned their lessons and swore that justice would never prevail again in the White House and they won.</p>
<p>I am afraid that Bugliosi&#8211;whom I admire greatly and who is now surely on the greatest enemies list since the time of Stalin&#8211;is wrong.  Bush and Cheney and Rummy will live out the end of their lives in complete ease and comfort.</p>
<p>Hundreds of felons will go free, felons who have committed crimes thousands of times greater than anyone standing on street corners selling grass.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Dobbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It shows very clearly that at least 1/2 of the people that voted in the 04 election are either total idiots, or totally ignorant and just voted for Bush because they are republican. I hope they all hang their heads in shame. Please do not vote for McBush...I mean McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It shows very clearly that at least 1/2 of the people that voted in the 04 election are either total idiots, or totally ignorant and just voted for Bush because they are republican. I hope they all hang their heads in shame. Please do not vote for McBush&#8230;I mean McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: THE SHADOWDRAGON</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE SHADOWDRAGON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DISGUSTING.  Absolutely reprehensible.  It was aggravating and mind-boggling enough that this &quot;Administration&quot; has been blatantly lying to the American people for so many years, at the cost of so many lives, with whatever excuse they chose to use at the time to allow the media to trumpet whatever policy they wanted to shove down the throats of the American people, but now we have cold hard figures to back this up.  Why are these fools not in the Hague???  Why do they continue to reside on Pennsylvania Avenue at all?  They need to be held to account just like anyone else when they are complicit in the death of another...and we&#039;re talking MANY others:  those who wore our nation&#039;s uniforms, trying to do nothing less than to serve their country as best they could, and those who wondered why they were being bombed, shot at, harrassed or whatever else they must have felt.  The civilian leadership will call them &quot;acceptable collateral damage&quot; to avoid calling them what they really are:  unfortunate victims of a war based on LIES in which Bush and Co. continue to lie about to this very day.  For God&#039;s sake, throw the bums out!  (Preferably in jail...maybe in Guantanamo Bay or Abu Ghraib, and let &#039;em get a taste of that waterboarding they seem to like so much so they can tell the truth as to what they&#039;ve REALLY done to this country, &#039;cause I&#039;m sick of &#039;em.)
I have spoken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DISGUSTING.  Absolutely reprehensible.  It was aggravating and mind-boggling enough that this &#8220;Administration&#8221; has been blatantly lying to the American people for so many years, at the cost of so many lives, with whatever excuse they chose to use at the time to allow the media to trumpet whatever policy they wanted to shove down the throats of the American people, but now we have cold hard figures to back this up.  Why are these fools not in the Hague???  Why do they continue to reside on Pennsylvania Avenue at all?  They need to be held to account just like anyone else when they are complicit in the death of another&#8230;and we&#8217;re talking MANY others:  those who wore our nation&#8217;s uniforms, trying to do nothing less than to serve their country as best they could, and those who wondered why they were being bombed, shot at, harrassed or whatever else they must have felt.  The civilian leadership will call them &#8220;acceptable collateral damage&#8221; to avoid calling them what they really are:  unfortunate victims of a war based on LIES in which Bush and Co. continue to lie about to this very day.  For God&#8217;s sake, throw the bums out!  (Preferably in jail&#8230;maybe in Guantanamo Bay or Abu Ghraib, and let &#8216;em get a taste of that waterboarding they seem to like so much so they can tell the truth as to what they&#8217;ve REALLY done to this country, &#8217;cause I&#8217;m sick of &#8216;em.)<br />
I have spoken.</p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; Long live the imperial President</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; Long live the imperial President</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to accomplish). In the process, he, Vice President Dick Cheney, and many of his highest advisors chose to lie repeatedly to Congress, the American people, and our international allies. The result was the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (aka [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to accomplish). In the process, he, Vice President Dick Cheney, and many of his highest advisors chose to lie repeatedly to Congress, the American people, and our international allies. The result was the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (aka [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:::People chose not to see the truth. They willingly blinded themselves to the obvious in order to remain favorable in the court of public opinion. Clinton and Edwards went along with the herd in order to look tough (and Clinton continues to do so today, even as Edwards has renounced his vote). Everyone who bought into the hype and supported this damnable false war must be held accountable and forced to bear the weight of their failure to question.:::

It&#039;s easy to say that in retrospect, but we should try to put ourselves back in the mood of the country in 2002 as this whole sad drama began. We were a wounded nation, with our paranoia being fed by terrorist Code Orange alerts and by Bush &amp; Co. suggesting another attack was just around the corner. How could we NOT react in the face of such news when, lo and behold, we are informed by our forthright president that Saddam is not only hording WMD&#039;s, but he is passing nuclear fissile material to Al-Qaeda? Put it a different way--what if this news HAD been true and we had done nothing, could we have lived with ourselves if Al-Qaeda had nuked an American city as a result? Of course not--and so something had to be done according to the information that was given.

The best you can do is the best you can do---and the best we could do at the time was based on the false information we were given. That&#039;s true too of Congress. How could Edwards and Hillary NOT have voted as they did even if they did not have the motive of appearing strong vs. Arabs? You may recall the Dem. party was in dreadful danger of being branded as milquetoast weak on terrorism in those days, which would have been the kiss of death politically. There is NO WAY these politicians could have voted against evidence that everyone believed to be true.

That&#039;s why I blame Bush for being the disseminator of lies--not the politicians that fell for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:::People chose not to see the truth. They willingly blinded themselves to the obvious in order to remain favorable in the court of public opinion. Clinton and Edwards went along with the herd in order to look tough (and Clinton continues to do so today, even as Edwards has renounced his vote). Everyone who bought into the hype and supported this damnable false war must be held accountable and forced to bear the weight of their failure to question.:::</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to say that in retrospect, but we should try to put ourselves back in the mood of the country in 2002 as this whole sad drama began. We were a wounded nation, with our paranoia being fed by terrorist Code Orange alerts and by Bush &amp; Co. suggesting another attack was just around the corner. How could we NOT react in the face of such news when, lo and behold, we are informed by our forthright president that Saddam is not only hording WMD&#8217;s, but he is passing nuclear fissile material to Al-Qaeda? Put it a different way&#8211;what if this news HAD been true and we had done nothing, could we have lived with ourselves if Al-Qaeda had nuked an American city as a result? Of course not&#8211;and so something had to be done according to the information that was given.</p>
<p>The best you can do is the best you can do&#8212;and the best we could do at the time was based on the false information we were given. That&#8217;s true too of Congress. How could Edwards and Hillary NOT have voted as they did even if they did not have the motive of appearing strong vs. Arabs? You may recall the Dem. party was in dreadful danger of being branded as milquetoast weak on terrorism in those days, which would have been the kiss of death politically. There is NO WAY these politicians could have voted against evidence that everyone believed to be true.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I blame Bush for being the disseminator of lies&#8211;not the politicians that fell for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin - exactly.  I think that the whole &quot;presidential privilege&quot; thing is bogus.  If you&#039;re going to advise the President to do something that you may regret later, then maybe you shouldn&#039;t advise the President to do that thing in the first place.

I&#039;d probably feel less like this, though, if our Presidents since Reagan (maybe even Nixon) hadn&#039;t used Presidential privilege to hide things from the country and the world.  It&#039;s basically a good idea ruined by decades of abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin &#8211; exactly.  I think that the whole &#8220;presidential privilege&#8221; thing is bogus.  If you&#8217;re going to advise the President to do something that you may regret later, then maybe you shouldn&#8217;t advise the President to do that thing in the first place.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d probably feel less like this, though, if our Presidents since Reagan (maybe even Nixon) hadn&#8217;t used Presidential privilege to hide things from the country and the world.  It&#8217;s basically a good idea ruined by decades of abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s subjective--it depends on what you lie about. I&#039;m a firm believer in transparency and openness of all institutions, but I can accept hiding the details of a crucial peace negotiation, for instance. 

Something like this, however--willfully and repeatedly promoting false intelligence to prod us into an unneeded and unjustifiable war--is not acceptable, nor will it ever be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s subjective&#8211;it depends on what you lie about. I&#8217;m a firm believer in transparency and openness of all institutions, but I can accept hiding the details of a crucial peace negotiation, for instance. </p>
<p>Something like this, however&#8211;willfully and repeatedly promoting false intelligence to prod us into an unneeded and unjustifiable war&#8211;is not acceptable, nor will it ever be.</p>
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		<title>By: dave roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 05:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would like to read all 935 statements made by all of the BUSHIE&#039;S.  please send me a copy of all the remarks and statements made by all of them, by the date and the year. 

Thank you,

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would like to read all 935 statements made by all of the BUSHIE&#8217;S.  please send me a copy of all the remarks and statements made by all of them, by the date and the year. </p>
<p>Thank you,</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/23/the-935-lies-of-george-w-bush-and-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-12946</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denny, I want some of my politicians to be able to lie.  There are secrets that you have to be able to lie about, things that other nations cannot know or they would disrupt diplomatic negotiations or embarrass allies, for example.  And while I would really prefer that they say &quot;I&#039;m sorry, I&#039;m not at liberty to discuss that,&quot; I can accept that there are situations where lying is necessary.

However, I see that as radically different from what we&#039;re talking about here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denny, I want some of my politicians to be able to lie.  There are secrets that you have to be able to lie about, things that other nations cannot know or they would disrupt diplomatic negotiations or embarrass allies, for example.  And while I would really prefer that they say &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry, I&#8217;m not at liberty to discuss that,&#8221; I can accept that there are situations where lying is necessary.</p>
<p>However, I see that as radically different from what we&#8217;re talking about here.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Denny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Denny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do people have such tolerance for politicians lying? If we come to expect lies, then that&#039;s what we&#039;ll get.

Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do people have such tolerance for politicians lying? If we come to expect lies, then that&#8217;s what we&#8217;ll get.</p>
<p>Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Wellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Wellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freezerbox.com/archive/article.php?id=411&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; in 2006 (in response to the James Frey [lying memoirist]) scandal:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Arguably, the lie&#039;s newfound legitimacy can be traced back to the shameless disavowals with which Ronald Reagan graced the Iran-Contra commission. Never mind that not knowing what&#039;s going on in your own backyard is at least as pathetic as the actual crime. &quot;I don&#039;t know&quot; and &quot;I can&#039;t remember&quot; have since been cited by indicted government officials and business executives as if they were passages of Scripture.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
People expect to be lied to, and, when it serves their purposes, are happy to believe those lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote <a href="http://www.freezerbox.com/archive/article.php?id=411" rel="nofollow">this</a> in 2006 (in response to the James Frey [lying memoirist]) scandal:</p>
<blockquote><p>Arguably, the lie&#8217;s newfound legitimacy can be traced back to the shameless disavowals with which Ronald Reagan graced the Iran-Contra commission. Never mind that not knowing what&#8217;s going on in your own backyard is at least as pathetic as the actual crime. &#8220;I don&#8217;t know&#8221; and &#8220;I can&#8217;t remember&#8221; have since been cited by indicted government officials and business executives as if they were passages of Scripture.</p></blockquote>
<p>People expect to be lied to, and, when it serves their purposes, are happy to believe those lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same here. Politicians lying is nothing new--it&#039;s part of the job. But this just goes orders of magnitude beyond an acceptable tolerance limit. 

I hope to God that someday, when historians discuss the awful legacy of Bush&#039;s lies, they won&#039;t have some asshole popping up and saying &quot;But Clinton did XYZ!&quot;

But I doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same here. Politicians lying is nothing new&#8211;it&#8217;s part of the job. But this just goes orders of magnitude beyond an acceptable tolerance limit. </p>
<p>I hope to God that someday, when historians discuss the awful legacy of Bush&#8217;s lies, they won&#8217;t have some asshole popping up and saying &#8220;But Clinton did XYZ!&#8221;</p>
<p>But I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard about this on NPR on the way into work this morning.  Astounding.  And I&#039;m not usually squeamish about politicians lying - I figure it&#039;s part of the job sometimes.

I wish I could say that this would finally put to bed the idea that there is some kind of moral equivalence between Clinton lying once or even 10 times about Monica and Bush lying about Iraq.  It should, but it won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard about this on NPR on the way into work this morning.  Astounding.  And I&#8217;m not usually squeamish about politicians lying &#8211; I figure it&#8217;s part of the job sometimes.</p>
<p>I wish I could say that this would finally put to bed the idea that there is some kind of moral equivalence between Clinton lying once or even 10 times about Monica and Bush lying about Iraq.  It should, but it won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: www.buzzflash.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.buzzflash.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The 935 lies of George W. Bush (and friends)...&lt;/strong&gt;

A new study documents in gory detail the number of times Bush and his crew lied about our reasons for going to war with Iraq. But we can&#039;t dismiss the responsibility of everyone who willingly believed the lie....</description>
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<p>A new study documents in gory detail the number of times Bush and his crew lied about our reasons for going to war with Iraq. But we can&#8217;t dismiss the responsibility of everyone who willingly believed the lie&#8230;.</p>
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