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	<title>Comments on: Scroguely Works presents: Il Principe (The Prince), by our newest Scrogue, Niccolo Machiavelli</title>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; Slander, politics, the Internetn, and anonymity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; Slander, politics, the Internetn, and anonymity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] even if those quotes are from his less controversial &#8220;Discourses on Livy&#8221;, never mind &#8220;The Prince&#8221;. And yet that&#8217;s what Danielle Allen of the Institute for Advanced Study does in her [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] even if those quotes are from his less controversial &#8220;Discourses on Livy&#8221;, never mind &#8220;The Prince&#8221;. And yet that&#8217;s what Danielle Allen of the Institute for Advanced Study does in her [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sub Ratione Dei &#187; The Princely Principle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sub Ratione Dei &#187; The Princely Principle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scholars &amp; Rogues review of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: simon billing</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon billing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The end for which Machiavelli justified means both fair and foul was that there is no higher calling than service to the state (city). This is the bit that many of today&#039;s leaders seem conveniently to gloss over. Without the underlying idea that the welfare of the state is the greatest good, Machiavelli is indeed the soulless manipulator he&#039;s often accused of being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The end for which Machiavelli justified means both fair and foul was that there is no higher calling than service to the state (city). This is the bit that many of today&#8217;s leaders seem conveniently to gloss over. Without the underlying idea that the welfare of the state is the greatest good, Machiavelli is indeed the soulless manipulator he&#8217;s often accused of being.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Booth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

This may/may not be relevant, but I thought I&#039;d share. It&#039;s about Machiavelli in its own way. And I thought you&#039;d get a kick out of it....

 It&#039;s from my forthcoming book &quot;The Life and Opinions of Jay Breeze, Rock Star: or, Completeness of the Soul&quot;:

 &quot;Tell you a story. When I was eleven or twelve, I used to mow my Aunt Barbaraâ€™s lawn every week. While I mowed I listened to a transistor radio. It was red and had a white cord with an ear plug for one ear. The cord was just long enough to reach from the radio in the pocket of my shorts to my right ear.

&quot;I would mow and sing at the top of my lungs along with the British Invasion groups: The Beatles, of course; The Rolling Stones; The Animals; The Kinks. I had the best time, you know?

&quot;This drove my Aunt Barbara crazy. She would call me up to her screened back porch and give me a glass of lemonade or iced tea or milk and maybe a sandwich or a piece of fruit pie. Then she would fetch a volume of The Harvard Classics and have me read to her from that to prove that rock and roll wasnâ€™t rotting my intellect. That summer I got through Machiavelliâ€™s The Prince and Thomas Moreâ€™s Utopia. And I learned the words to â€œSatisfactionâ€ by The Stones and The Beatlesâ€™ â€œHelp.â€

&quot;And it all made sense to me. I began to think of The Rolling Stones as Machiavellian and of The Beatles as Utopian (probably because I thought Utopia was supposed to be a nice place and The Beatles seemed nicer than The Stones). Maybe thatâ€™s whatâ€™s meant by a liberal arts education.

&quot;You know, Angel, I told Ringo this story at a party in L.A. We sat on one of those huge sectional sofas that was about a half mile long and went all along the walls of this room that had floor to ceiling windows looking out over Malibu Canyon. He just sat quietly and listened. When I got finished he said, â€œImagine. A kid in a little town in North Carolina listening to us on a transistor. And now youâ€™re here. Imagine.â€ Then he got up and went to pee or something.

&quot;I have no idea what the hell it means, Angel.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>This may/may not be relevant, but I thought I&#8217;d share. It&#8217;s about Machiavelli in its own way. And I thought you&#8217;d get a kick out of it&#8230;.</p>
<p> It&#8217;s from my forthcoming book &#8220;The Life and Opinions of Jay Breeze, Rock Star: or, Completeness of the Soul&#8221;:</p>
<p> &#8220;Tell you a story. When I was eleven or twelve, I used to mow my Aunt Barbaraâ€™s lawn every week. While I mowed I listened to a transistor radio. It was red and had a white cord with an ear plug for one ear. The cord was just long enough to reach from the radio in the pocket of my shorts to my right ear.</p>
<p>&#8220;I would mow and sing at the top of my lungs along with the British Invasion groups: The Beatles, of course; The Rolling Stones; The Animals; The Kinks. I had the best time, you know?</p>
<p>&#8220;This drove my Aunt Barbara crazy. She would call me up to her screened back porch and give me a glass of lemonade or iced tea or milk and maybe a sandwich or a piece of fruit pie. Then she would fetch a volume of The Harvard Classics and have me read to her from that to prove that rock and roll wasnâ€™t rotting my intellect. That summer I got through Machiavelliâ€™s The Prince and Thomas Moreâ€™s Utopia. And I learned the words to â€œSatisfactionâ€ by The Stones and The Beatlesâ€™ â€œHelp.â€</p>
<p>&#8220;And it all made sense to me. I began to think of The Rolling Stones as Machiavellian and of The Beatles as Utopian (probably because I thought Utopia was supposed to be a nice place and The Beatles seemed nicer than The Stones). Maybe thatâ€™s whatâ€™s meant by a liberal arts education.</p>
<p>&#8220;You know, Angel, I told Ringo this story at a party in L.A. We sat on one of those huge sectional sofas that was about a half mile long and went all along the walls of this room that had floor to ceiling windows looking out over Malibu Canyon. He just sat quietly and listened. When I got finished he said, â€œImagine. A kid in a little town in North Carolina listening to us on a transistor. And now youâ€™re here. Imagine.â€ Then he got up and went to pee or something.</p>
<p>&#8220;I have no idea what the hell it means, Angel.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: www.buzzflash.net</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Machiavelli&#039;s The Prince applies to our government too...&lt;/strong&gt;

Machiavelli&#039;s The Prince has been widely criticized as a guide to the immoral acquisition of political power. But it&#039;s also a guide for how politicians should temper their own actions for the betterment of their voters....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Machiavelli&#8217;s The Prince applies to our government too&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Machiavelli&#8217;s The Prince has been widely criticized as a guide to the immoral acquisition of political power. But it&#8217;s also a guide for how politicians should temper their own actions for the betterment of their voters&#8230;.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Machiavelli&#039;s The Prince applies to our government too...&lt;/strong&gt;

This story has been submitted to Stirrdup.  Your support can help it become hot....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Machiavelli&#8217;s The Prince applies to our government too&#8230;</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; Democracy good, political dynasties bad(?)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; Democracy good, political dynasties bad(?)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the last few weeks, I&#8217;ve had an opportunity to re-read much of my Machiavelli, something I try to do every few years, and in the process I noticed something that I&#8217;d [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the last few weeks, I&#8217;ve had an opportunity to re-read much of my Machiavelli, something I try to do every few years, and in the process I noticed something that I&#8217;d [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, our very own Whythawk first suggested that The Prince might be satire to me in a comment thread on another post a few months ago.  As with you, it made me think a little.  While I haven&#039;t re-read my copy since, I re-read parts of the online version while I was researching this piece, and there&#039;s enough ripping up of his contemporary leaders that it&#039;s a reasonable interpretation.

Not saying that&#039;s where you heard it, but that&#039;s where I first heard it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, our very own Whythawk first suggested that The Prince might be satire to me in a comment thread on another post a few months ago.  As with you, it made me think a little.  While I haven&#8217;t re-read my copy since, I re-read parts of the online version while I was researching this piece, and there&#8217;s enough ripping up of his contemporary leaders that it&#8217;s a reasonable interpretation.</p>
<p>Not saying that&#8217;s where you heard it, but that&#8217;s where I first heard it.</p>
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		<title>By: gauloises</title>
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		<dc:creator>gauloises</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Machiavelli has had a pretty tough press, historically; in the early modern period, Machiavelli was thought of as synonymous with the Devil and a significator of calculating amorality - in fact, if memory serves, he opens Marlowe&#039;s The Jew of Malta.

I could be wrong about that, but it was one of Marlowe&#039;s plays for sure, and it was in another country, and besides, the wench is dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Machiavelli has had a pretty tough press, historically; in the early modern period, Machiavelli was thought of as synonymous with the Devil and a significator of calculating amorality &#8211; in fact, if memory serves, he opens Marlowe&#8217;s The Jew of Malta.</p>
<p>I could be wrong about that, but it was one of Marlowe&#8217;s plays for sure, and it was in another country, and besides, the wench is dead.</p>
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		<title>By: jackpine savage</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackpine savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting and timely take on the work.  Like all great literature, The Prince can be read to support preconceived ideas; it has probably suffered that fate more than most.  Though i cannot remember where i saw it, i recently read a suggestion that it may have been a satire.  I have yet to go back and reread the book with that in mind, but the suggestion certainly made me think, &quot;hmm.&quot;

P.S. As a former printer from a family of printers, i appreciate the inclusion of the ISBN number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting and timely take on the work.  Like all great literature, The Prince can be read to support preconceived ideas; it has probably suffered that fate more than most.  Though i cannot remember where i saw it, i recently read a suggestion that it may have been a satire.  I have yet to go back and reread the book with that in mind, but the suggestion certainly made me think, &#8220;hmm.&#8221;</p>
<p>P.S. As a former printer from a family of printers, i appreciate the inclusion of the ISBN number.</p>
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