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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s -30- for the Cincy Post: Good news or bad?</title>
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	<description>Think.  It ain&#039;t illegal yet...</description>
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		<title>By: Dr. Denny</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/02/11/its-30-for-the-cincy-post-good-news-or-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-15783</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Denny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jim.

Another issue I haven&#039;t discussed much are the woeful pay scales prevalent in journalism. Entry-level reporters can expect, on average, about $26,000 to $27,000. I just heard from a former student who became a very good reporter. But now he has an infant daughter and he&#039;s getting married. He left journalism to do communication work in an HR department in a large corporation.

We&#039;ve seen corporations in so many different fields lay off or buy out workers with high legacy costs. That&#039;s happened in journalism as well â€” even though the pay scales have been much lower than what the auto industry has paid union workers for years.

It&#039;s difficult to imagine the survival of high-quality journalism when salary structures don&#039;t allow young people to enter the field and make an decent living for them and and their families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jim.</p>
<p>Another issue I haven&#8217;t discussed much are the woeful pay scales prevalent in journalism. Entry-level reporters can expect, on average, about $26,000 to $27,000. I just heard from a former student who became a very good reporter. But now he has an infant daughter and he&#8217;s getting married. He left journalism to do communication work in an HR department in a large corporation.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve seen corporations in so many different fields lay off or buy out workers with high legacy costs. That&#8217;s happened in journalism as well â€” even though the pay scales have been much lower than what the auto industry has paid union workers for years.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s difficult to imagine the survival of high-quality journalism when salary structures don&#8217;t allow young people to enter the field and make an decent living for them and and their families.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Booth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m of two  minds about this, Denny. On the one hand I hope that Internet news reposrting can take on some of the importance (and some of the cultural cache) of old time &quot;two paper a day&quot; reporting. With the ease and speed of access (at least in those areas favored with such), news can be reported and read with a speed rivaling TV and a depth rivaling ink and paper.

But much of what&#039;s noted may be colored as S&amp;R reportage is - by the inclinations of bloggers. That&#039;s not a bad thing, (I don&#039;t believe &quot;objecive journalism&quot; has ever existed), but it creates barriers for readers who think of one blog as progressive, one as conservative - and so if the prog blog does a better job reporting on an issue than a con servo blog does, many readers who&#039;d benefit from better coverage might never know - because of their own innate prejudices.

And we get social/civic/cultural conversations like some I have with righty friends - all they know is what Fox News tells them they know and they think all I know is what NYT or WaPo tells me. That diminshes the great conversation about America - and so diminishes us all. 

I remember your great post from some months back on starting local on-line newspapers. 

http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/06/04/journalists-cover-my-town-ill-pay-you-191-a-year/

This is a model we could use right now. Let&#039;s try to think about ways we could help it get traction....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m of two  minds about this, Denny. On the one hand I hope that Internet news reposrting can take on some of the importance (and some of the cultural cache) of old time &#8220;two paper a day&#8221; reporting. With the ease and speed of access (at least in those areas favored with such), news can be reported and read with a speed rivaling TV and a depth rivaling ink and paper.</p>
<p>But much of what&#8217;s noted may be colored as S&#038;R reportage is &#8211; by the inclinations of bloggers. That&#8217;s not a bad thing, (I don&#8217;t believe &#8220;objecive journalism&#8221; has ever existed), but it creates barriers for readers who think of one blog as progressive, one as conservative &#8211; and so if the prog blog does a better job reporting on an issue than a con servo blog does, many readers who&#8217;d benefit from better coverage might never know &#8211; because of their own innate prejudices.</p>
<p>And we get social/civic/cultural conversations like some I have with righty friends &#8211; all they know is what Fox News tells them they know and they think all I know is what NYT or WaPo tells me. That diminshes the great conversation about America &#8211; and so diminishes us all. </p>
<p>I remember your great post from some months back on starting local on-line newspapers. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/06/04/journalists-cover-my-town-ill-pay-you-191-a-year/" rel="nofollow">http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/06/04/journalists-cover-my-town-ill-pay-you-191-a-year/</a></p>
<p>This is a model we could use right now. Let&#8217;s try to think about ways we could help it get traction&#8230;.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: www.buzzflash.net</title>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Itâ€™s -30- for the Cincy Post: Good news or bad?...&lt;/strong&gt;

When a newspaper dies, â€œa voice is stilled.â€ That was the headline in the Cincinnati Post Dec. 30, the day before the newspaperâ€™s presses were silenced. Corporate owner E.W. Scripps closed the Post. But should this be RIP, Cincy Post â€” or good ...</description>
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<p>When a newspaper dies, â€œa voice is stilled.â€ That was the headline in the Cincinnati Post Dec. 30, the day before the newspaperâ€™s presses were silenced. Corporate owner E.W. Scripps closed the Post. But should this be RIP, Cincy Post â€” or good &#8230;</p>
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