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	<title>Comments on: Go home, King Ralph, and take your army of whiners with you</title>
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		<title>By: JohnDoraemi</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnDoraemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ohplease:

I wish I had said that.</description>
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<p>I wish I had said that.</p>
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		<title>By: ohplease</title>
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		<dc:creator>ohplease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of blaming Nader, if Democrats had any intellectual honesty, they would blame the mediocre Gore campaign (any semi-competent campaign would have had the ignoramus Bush snivelling in a corner), Gore not carrying his home state or Bill Clintonâ€™s home state, the Democrats in Florida who voted for Bush, Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris and the Supreme Court for subverting the will of the electorate, etc. etc. etc. But instead they attack Nader and alienate many progressives with their whining and sense of entitlement.

And regarding Iraq, Bill Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act), perpetuated the sanctions on Iraq that killed 1/2 a million Iraqi children, and imposed the longest bombing campaign on Iraq that any country has endured since the Vietnam War. Did Gore repudiate Clinton on this score? No. Who was Goreâ€™s running mate? Joseph Lieberman.

And the Democratic Party sure proved Nader wrong after the 2006 election when they caved to Bush and the Republicans time and again, didnâ€™t theyâ€¦

The Democratic party is a corrupt band of thugs, and its apologists are snivelling whiners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of blaming Nader, if Democrats had any intellectual honesty, they would blame the mediocre Gore campaign (any semi-competent campaign would have had the ignoramus Bush snivelling in a corner), Gore not carrying his home state or Bill Clintonâ€™s home state, the Democrats in Florida who voted for Bush, Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris and the Supreme Court for subverting the will of the electorate, etc. etc. etc. But instead they attack Nader and alienate many progressives with their whining and sense of entitlement.</p>
<p>And regarding Iraq, Bill Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act</a>), perpetuated the sanctions on Iraq that killed 1/2 a million Iraqi children, and imposed the longest bombing campaign on Iraq that any country has endured since the Vietnam War. Did Gore repudiate Clinton on this score? No. Who was Goreâ€™s running mate? Joseph Lieberman.</p>
<p>And the Democratic Party sure proved Nader wrong after the 2006 election when they caved to Bush and the Republicans time and again, didnâ€™t theyâ€¦</p>
<p>The Democratic party is a corrupt band of thugs, and its apologists are snivelling whiners.</p>
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		<title>By: johndoraemi</title>
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		<dc:creator>johndoraemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&quot;Sry. but honestly, I canâ€™t understand how an intelligent guy can still defend this. This is even worse than Clintonâ€™s support for the Iraq resolution. (ABSURD) At least, she had to decide on uncertain data. But that Nader had no chance was a fact. I guess you criticize Clinton for not apoligizing for this grave mistake, but then, how can you still defend voting for Nader? Sry, but I really donâ€™t get it.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

No, you don&#039;t get it.  You don&#039;t understand what the Greens were voting FOR in 2000.  It&#039;s very simple.  With 5% showing, we would have had ballot status and matching funds for the next election.  This is how movements are made, one step at a time.  This was a direct challenge to the corporatist/fascist two party stranglehold.

It failed, thanks largely to the corporatist/fascist Democrats, whose affinity for democracy leaves quite a bit to be desired.

I never heard more whining than from Democrats who had to actually compete against a challenge from the Greens.  They then created faux-Green &quot;Progressive&quot; Democratic groups, staffed by Kucinich et al, whose entire purpose is to squash third party challenges.  Kucinich has shown how useless his politics are in influencing the Democrappic Party.  He is simply a siphon, someone to keep the Naders/Greens/McKinneys from getting anywhere that could challenge the mountain of corruption lovingly called the Democratic Party.

Just arrest all the war criminals at the top, and figure out who&#039;s left.  That&#039;s the government we need at this point in our history.  Oh, yeah, US &quot;leaders&quot; can commit no war crimes.  They don&#039;t exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;Sry. but honestly, I canâ€™t understand how an intelligent guy can still defend this. This is even worse than Clintonâ€™s support for the Iraq resolution. (ABSURD) At least, she had to decide on uncertain data. But that Nader had no chance was a fact. I guess you criticize Clinton for not apoligizing for this grave mistake, but then, how can you still defend voting for Nader? Sry, but I really donâ€™t get it.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>No, you don&#8217;t get it.  You don&#8217;t understand what the Greens were voting FOR in 2000.  It&#8217;s very simple.  With 5% showing, we would have had ballot status and matching funds for the next election.  This is how movements are made, one step at a time.  This was a direct challenge to the corporatist/fascist two party stranglehold.</p>
<p>It failed, thanks largely to the corporatist/fascist Democrats, whose affinity for democracy leaves quite a bit to be desired.</p>
<p>I never heard more whining than from Democrats who had to actually compete against a challenge from the Greens.  They then created faux-Green &#8220;Progressive&#8221; Democratic groups, staffed by Kucinich et al, whose entire purpose is to squash third party challenges.  Kucinich has shown how useless his politics are in influencing the Democrappic Party.  He is simply a siphon, someone to keep the Naders/Greens/McKinneys from getting anywhere that could challenge the mountain of corruption lovingly called the Democratic Party.</p>
<p>Just arrest all the war criminals at the top, and figure out who&#8217;s left.  That&#8217;s the government we need at this point in our history.  Oh, yeah, US &#8220;leaders&#8221; can commit no war crimes.  They don&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;why donâ€™t you read some of my other posts and figure out that I support Barack Obama?&quot;
Ok, I might have got carried away a bit because I focussed on your 2000 vote for Nader. Sry. but honestly, I can&#039;t understand how an intelligent guy can still defend this. This is even worse than Clinton&#039;s support for the Iraq resolution. At least, she had to decide on uncertain data. But that Nader had no chance was a fact. I guess you criticize Clinton for not apoligizing for this grave mistake, but then, how can you still defend voting for Nader? Sry, but I really don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;why donâ€™t you read some of my other posts and figure out that I support Barack Obama?&#8221;<br />
Ok, I might have got carried away a bit because I focussed on your 2000 vote for Nader. Sry. but honestly, I can&#8217;t understand how an intelligent guy can still defend this. This is even worse than Clinton&#8217;s support for the Iraq resolution. At least, she had to decide on uncertain data. But that Nader had no chance was a fact. I guess you criticize Clinton for not apoligizing for this grave mistake, but then, how can you still defend voting for Nader? Sry, but I really don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Sheehan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Sheehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hey, Mike, if you want more progressive politics, why donâ€™t you invest some energy in changing things, instead of simply wasting your vote on Nader?&quot;

Gray, how many times do I have to tell you?  You seem like a smart guy with a lot of time on your hands, why don&#039;t you read some of my other posts and figure out that I support Barack Obama?  I would only vote for Nader if Clinton gets the Dem nomination and no one else enters the race.  Are you expecting Hillary and the superdelegates to thief this one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hey, Mike, if you want more progressive politics, why donâ€™t you invest some energy in changing things, instead of simply wasting your vote on Nader?&#8221;</p>
<p>Gray, how many times do I have to tell you?  You seem like a smart guy with a lot of time on your hands, why don&#8217;t you read some of my other posts and figure out that I support Barack Obama?  I would only vote for Nader if Clinton gets the Dem nomination and no one else enters the race.  Are you expecting Hillary and the superdelegates to thief this one?</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ralph Nader is far less a â€œcontributorâ€ to Americaâ€™s present woes than empowered Democrats&quot;

And, at the same time, he is far less a contributor to changing America, because of his almost total inavtivizty int he last years. He, who does nothing, can do nothing wrong. 
You think this qualification is good enough to vote for him? Aw, come on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ralph Nader is far less a â€œcontributorâ€ to Americaâ€™s present woes than empowered Democrats&#8221;</p>
<p>And, at the same time, he is far less a contributor to changing America, because of his almost total inavtivizty int he last years. He, who does nothing, can do nothing wrong.<br />
You think this qualification is good enough to vote for him? Aw, come on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why donâ€™t you go bang on Pelosiâ€™s and Reidâ€™s doors and ask them why they wonâ€™t allow Kucinich and Conyers et al. to proceed with impeachment?&quot;
Good idea. Like banging on Obama&#039;s and Clinton&#039;s doors and demanding answers how they want to engage the republicans and change the awful new culture of corporate greed. Now, that they woo every single voter, is the best time to influence their programs. Evidence is the Edwards campaign, which led the others to change their goalposts.

Hey, Mike, if you want more progressive politics, why don&#039;t you invest some energy in changing things, instead of simply wasting your vote on Nader?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why donâ€™t you go bang on Pelosiâ€™s and Reidâ€™s doors and ask them why they wonâ€™t allow Kucinich and Conyers et al. to proceed with impeachment?&#8221;<br />
Good idea. Like banging on Obama&#8217;s and Clinton&#8217;s doors and demanding answers how they want to engage the republicans and change the awful new culture of corporate greed. Now, that they woo every single voter, is the best time to influence their programs. Evidence is the Edwards campaign, which led the others to change their goalposts.</p>
<p>Hey, Mike, if you want more progressive politics, why don&#8217;t you invest some energy in changing things, instead of simply wasting your vote on Nader?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Sheehan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Sheehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Wowâ€¦someone who actually admits that he contributed to the debacle of the 2000 election. Just who did you think you were helping by pulling the lever for â€œRalph the Worstâ€. I have little to no admiration for him. He is a significant contributor to our countryâ€™s continued free fall into the black abyss of ignorance and religion.&quot;

Hindsight is 20/20, but you still need glasses, Jane. Ralph Nader is far less a &quot;contributor&quot; to America&#039;s present woes than empowered Democrats who have willingly allowed George Bush to do whatever the hell he wants. Why don&#039;t you go bang on Pelosi&#039;s and Reid&#039;s doors and ask them why they won&#039;t allow Kucinich and Conyers et al. to proceed with impeachment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wowâ€¦someone who actually admits that he contributed to the debacle of the 2000 election. Just who did you think you were helping by pulling the lever for â€œRalph the Worstâ€. I have little to no admiration for him. He is a significant contributor to our countryâ€™s continued free fall into the black abyss of ignorance and religion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hindsight is 20/20, but you still need glasses, Jane. Ralph Nader is far less a &#8220;contributor&#8221; to America&#8217;s present woes than empowered Democrats who have willingly allowed George Bush to do whatever the hell he wants. Why don&#8217;t you go bang on Pelosi&#8217;s and Reid&#8217;s doors and ask them why they won&#8217;t allow Kucinich and Conyers et al. to proceed with impeachment?</p>
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		<title>By: Jane from Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane from Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...someone who actually admits that he contributed to the debacle of the 2000 election.  Just who did you think you were helping by pulling the lever for &quot;Ralph the Worst&quot;.  I have little to no admiration for him.  He is a significant contributor to our country&#039;s continued free fall into the black abyss of ignorance and religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;someone who actually admits that he contributed to the debacle of the 2000 election.  Just who did you think you were helping by pulling the lever for &#8220;Ralph the Worst&#8221;.  I have little to no admiration for him.  He is a significant contributor to our country&#8217;s continued free fall into the black abyss of ignorance and religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave from Oregon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave from Oregon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be satisfied if Ralph goes home. His time has passed and he has nothing to offer this race.

The voters soundly rejected Dennis Kucinich and John Edwards. Both support some of the same positions and were far better candidates.

Ralph should go home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be satisfied if Ralph goes home. His time has passed and he has nothing to offer this race.</p>
<p>The voters soundly rejected Dennis Kucinich and John Edwards. Both support some of the same positions and were far better candidates.</p>
<p>Ralph should go home.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

To make you happy, just because I said that you wrote a great post doesn&#039;t mean that I agree with the contents.  I liked the post because it was well written,  thought out, logical, and showed excellent scholarship.  To me that is more important than whether I agree with the contents or not:)

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>To make you happy, just because I said that you wrote a great post doesn&#8217;t mean that I agree with the contents.  I liked the post because it was well written,  thought out, logical, and showed excellent scholarship.  To me that is more important than whether I agree with the contents or not:)</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

There&#039;s something inherently disturbing about the fact that you and I agree on this, but I&#039;ll take the compliment as it was intended. :) Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s something inherently disturbing about the fact that you and I agree on this, but I&#8217;ll take the compliment as it was intended. <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,
That was a great post.

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,<br />
That was a great post.</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: www.buzzflash.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.buzzflash.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Go home, King Ralph, and take your army of whiners with you...&lt;/strong&gt;

Ralph Nader is running for President again. What can he really hope to accomplish, beyond giving a safety valve to cynical progressives who would rather give the election to McCain than vote for a Democrat?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Go home, King Ralph, and take your army of whiners with you&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Ralph Nader is running for President again. What can he really hope to accomplish, beyond giving a safety valve to cynical progressives who would rather give the election to McCain than vote for a Democrat?&#8230;</p>
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