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	<title>Comments on: VerseDay: Poetry as acts of the mind&#8230;.</title>
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	<description>Think.  It ain&#039;t illegal yet...</description>
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		<title>By: Chris MacGowan</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/03/06/1695/comment-page-1/#comment-32432</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris MacGowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi  there&#039;s no period at the end of The Red Wheelbarrow and it is one of a 27 poem arrangement/ sequence (and prose) in WCW&#039;s 1923 book Spring and All--which is full of ideas.  WCW is not well served by anthology fragments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi  there&#8217;s no period at the end of The Red Wheelbarrow and it is one of a 27 poem arrangement/ sequence (and prose) in WCW&#8217;s 1923 book Spring and All&#8211;which is full of ideas.  WCW is not well served by anthology fragments.</p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; VerseDay: Slow, slow fresh fount - how to control your words and your emotions&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; VerseDay: Slow, slow fresh fount - how to control your words and your emotions&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Booth under culture, poetry [ Comments: none ]      A couple of weeks ago I spoke with you about poetry of ideas. Today&#8217;s entry will look at poetry that controls [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Booth under culture, poetry [ Comments: none ]      A couple of weeks ago I spoke with you about poetry of ideas. Today&#8217;s entry will look at poetry that controls [...]</p>
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		<title>By: pookapooka</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/03/06/1695/comment-page-1/#comment-22296</link>
		<dc:creator>pookapooka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad to see that the &quot;Roses are red...&quot; school of poesy is still alive &amp; kickin&#039;  ... haven&#039;t heard a new one in years in actual  conversation.

I&#039;ve always found that for myself, the most enjoyable poetry bathed my brain in the meta-meaningful expansion/distortion of the resonance of its language: I grasp at the meaning of a word in a new way; I delve in between the words for clues (&quot;how does a poem mean?&quot;--Ciardi); I particularly delight in the tumble of jujitsu among the words, the interplay of juxtaposition and phrasing, the spoken sounds, rhymes and assonances.  Thus, I submit my all-time favorite &quot;Roses are red ...&quot; --

When roses are red
And ready for plucking
I&#039;ll take you to the garden
And give you a rose</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad to see that the &#8220;Roses are red&#8230;&#8221; school of poesy is still alive &amp; kickin&#8217;  &#8230; haven&#8217;t heard a new one in years in actual  conversation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always found that for myself, the most enjoyable poetry bathed my brain in the meta-meaningful expansion/distortion of the resonance of its language: I grasp at the meaning of a word in a new way; I delve in between the words for clues (&#8220;how does a poem mean?&#8221;&#8211;Ciardi); I particularly delight in the tumble of jujitsu among the words, the interplay of juxtaposition and phrasing, the spoken sounds, rhymes and assonances.  Thus, I submit my all-time favorite &#8220;Roses are red &#8230;&#8221; &#8211;</p>
<p>When roses are red<br />
And ready for plucking<br />
I&#8217;ll take you to the garden<br />
And give you a rose</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/03/06/1695/comment-page-1/#comment-22165</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That red wheel barrow could have been another Rosebud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That red wheel barrow could have been another Rosebud.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/03/06/1695/comment-page-1/#comment-22019</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;&gt;The poet works hard
to make himself understood
often failing bad&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="text-align:center;">The poet works hard<br />
to make himself understood<br />
often failing bad</div>
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		<title>By: Michael "Ubertramp" Pecaut</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/03/06/1695/comment-page-1/#comment-22015</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael "Ubertramp" Pecaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
The more poetry I read
the less I understand

maybe I should change my fertilizer.   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roses are red,<br />
Violets are blue,<br />
The more poetry I read<br />
the less I understand</p>
<p>maybe I should change my fertilizer.   <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim Pangborn</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/03/06/1695/comment-page-1/#comment-21980</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Pangborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You go a little hard on Frost and Dickinson, methinks.  Neither belongs lumped in with Rod McKuen on any account.  Frost, especially, is an confessed intellectualist, as witness &quot;Mending Wall,&quot; in which the narrator bemoans his neighbor and work-partner&#039;s unwillingness to think beyond cliche: &quot;He will not go behind his father&#039;s saying / And he likes having thought of it so well / He says again, &#039;Good fences make good neighbors.&#039;&quot; 

As for Emily D, one doesn&#039;t become a &quot;debauchee of dew&quot; or thank Death for kindly delivering a timely reminder of mortality without arriving at those positions by way of some pretty strenuous mental exertion.

Williams shouldn&#039;t be damned merely by his association with Pound, either.  I, for one, don&#039;t let politics dictate who my friends are.  What all of these poets, and Stevens too, agree upon is that we should pay loving attention to the little things.  No one can know why the red wheel barrow, tool or toy, is left out to be glazed with rain water; the point is to wonder, to simply but deeply pay attention.  This is not authoritarianism in the least, though it did lead Williams, as a rueful critic of the American scene, to complain that our culture ultimately leaves us with &quot;No one / to witness / and adjust, no one to drive the car.&quot; 

Stevens, at any rate knew that ideas of order are artifices--that thinking isn&#039;t everything.  He singled this poem out as special, a capstone for his oeuvre:

&quot;Of Mere Being&quot;

The palm at the end of the mind,
Beyond the last thought, rises
In the bronze distance.

A gold-feathered bird
Sings in the palm, without human meaning,
Without human feeling, a foreign song.

You know then that it is not the reason
That makes us happy or unhappy.
The bird sings. Its feathers shine.

The palm stands on the edge of space.
The wind moves slowly in the branches.
The bird&#039;s fire-fangled feathers dangle down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You go a little hard on Frost and Dickinson, methinks.  Neither belongs lumped in with Rod McKuen on any account.  Frost, especially, is an confessed intellectualist, as witness &#8220;Mending Wall,&#8221; in which the narrator bemoans his neighbor and work-partner&#8217;s unwillingness to think beyond cliche: &#8220;He will not go behind his father&#8217;s saying / And he likes having thought of it so well / He says again, &#8216;Good fences make good neighbors.&#8217;&#8221; </p>
<p>As for Emily D, one doesn&#8217;t become a &#8220;debauchee of dew&#8221; or thank Death for kindly delivering a timely reminder of mortality without arriving at those positions by way of some pretty strenuous mental exertion.</p>
<p>Williams shouldn&#8217;t be damned merely by his association with Pound, either.  I, for one, don&#8217;t let politics dictate who my friends are.  What all of these poets, and Stevens too, agree upon is that we should pay loving attention to the little things.  No one can know why the red wheel barrow, tool or toy, is left out to be glazed with rain water; the point is to wonder, to simply but deeply pay attention.  This is not authoritarianism in the least, though it did lead Williams, as a rueful critic of the American scene, to complain that our culture ultimately leaves us with &#8220;No one / to witness / and adjust, no one to drive the car.&#8221; </p>
<p>Stevens, at any rate knew that ideas of order are artifices&#8211;that thinking isn&#8217;t everything.  He singled this poem out as special, a capstone for his oeuvre:</p>
<p>&#8220;Of Mere Being&#8221;</p>
<p>The palm at the end of the mind,<br />
Beyond the last thought, rises<br />
In the bronze distance.</p>
<p>A gold-feathered bird<br />
Sings in the palm, without human meaning,<br />
Without human feeling, a foreign song.</p>
<p>You know then that it is not the reason<br />
That makes us happy or unhappy.<br />
The bird sings. Its feathers shine.</p>
<p>The palm stands on the edge of space.<br />
The wind moves slowly in the branches.<br />
The bird&#8217;s fire-fangled feathers dangle down.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Denny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Denny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roses are red; 
violets give glee.
An ideated poem
means little to me.

Roses are red;
violets arenâ€™t enough.
Poems of ideas
make reading tough.

(I hated high-school English ...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roses are red;<br />
violets give glee.<br />
An ideated poem<br />
means little to me.</p>
<p>Roses are red;<br />
violets arenâ€™t enough.<br />
Poems of ideas<br />
make reading tough.</p>
<p>(I hated high-school English &#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what I&#039;m going to say, but I&#039;ll say it anyway.

There&#039;s no arguing about the anti-intellectual strain of just about everything in our culture, but I&#039;ve always sought out (and attempted to write) poetry that &lt;i&gt;transcended&lt;/i&gt; the intellectual. Not NON-intellectual, but MORE THAN intellectual.

As we know, there was a problem with some of the idea and order stuff. &quot;Anecdote of the Jar&quot; is about forging reality - very constructivist in that, actually - and some argue that it smacks of the fascist. Williams was, if I remember correctly, friends with Pound, another intellectual poet, and corresponded with him while he was locked up. 

I&#039;m a fan of Stevens, of course, and wish we were more given to thinking about poetry. Hell, to thinking, period. But some of our prominent intellectual poets were perhaps prone to an authoritarianism that gives pause....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what I&#8217;m going to say, but I&#8217;ll say it anyway.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no arguing about the anti-intellectual strain of just about everything in our culture, but I&#8217;ve always sought out (and attempted to write) poetry that <i>transcended</i> the intellectual. Not NON-intellectual, but MORE THAN intellectual.</p>
<p>As we know, there was a problem with some of the idea and order stuff. &#8220;Anecdote of the Jar&#8221; is about forging reality &#8211; very constructivist in that, actually &#8211; and some argue that it smacks of the fascist. Williams was, if I remember correctly, friends with Pound, another intellectual poet, and corresponded with him while he was locked up. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a fan of Stevens, of course, and wish we were more given to thinking about poetry. Hell, to thinking, period. But some of our prominent intellectual poets were perhaps prone to an authoritarianism that gives pause&#8230;.</p>
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