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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/03/07/can-enviro-groups-find-shared-language-and-values/comment-page-1/#comment-22658</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack: I suspect it&#039;s a lot longer process even than that. When you start talking about language at this level you&#039;re really talking about very deep, nearly unconscious beliefs about the world. If you can, over time, shift people&#039;s assumptions about how the world works, then the problem begins to look more manageable.

Or maybe you don&#039;t need this. All major religions think murder is wrong (which isn&#039;t quite the same as saying that all members of those religions get the message, I know). Pagans agree. Christians agree. Buddhists agree. Jews agree. As do most atheists and agnostics. So here you have a lot of people who agree on a goal even though the core reasons underneath those beliefs look different. 

So maybe we don&#039;t have to have all enviros speaking the same language. I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack: I suspect it&#8217;s a lot longer process even than that. When you start talking about language at this level you&#8217;re really talking about very deep, nearly unconscious beliefs about the world. If you can, over time, shift people&#8217;s assumptions about how the world works, then the problem begins to look more manageable.</p>
<p>Or maybe you don&#8217;t need this. All major religions think murder is wrong (which isn&#8217;t quite the same as saying that all members of those religions get the message, I know). Pagans agree. Christians agree. Buddhists agree. Jews agree. As do most atheists and agnostics. So here you have a lot of people who agree on a goal even though the core reasons underneath those beliefs look different. </p>
<p>So maybe we don&#8217;t have to have all enviros speaking the same language. I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: jacpine savage</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacpine savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very, very interesting, Dr. Slammy.  I&#039;ve thought about this situation too; unfortunately, i don&#039;t have any brilliant ideas.  My thought process has ended in the &quot;chicken/egg&quot; conundrum.  The political divides in this country separate the population on the one issue that has the power to draw them together.  Does the issue have the power to heal the political divides, or must the divides be healed before the issue can be addressed?

I like the phrase &quot;environmental conservativism&quot; (though i dislike &quot;isms&quot;).  Unfortunately, our common connotation of &quot;conservative&quot; has nothing to do with its root word...on either side of the ideological divide.

We could attempt to appeal to common sense, but that would require first rebuilding common sense among the US population.  Similarly, we could appeal to future generations; however, we&#039;ve descended to such a vainglorious level of &quot;me, me, me&quot; that such an approach would also require rebuilding fundamental thought processes.

&quot;Stewardship&quot; is perhaps the best available option, along with an attempt to retake the word &quot;conserve&quot; (but not the pinko, dirty word &quot;conservation&quot;) from the Limbaughs of the planet.  The long-term fiscal savings inherent in sustainability is probably another good option, though it is kneecapped by our current pursuit of short-term profit uber alles.

You&#039;ve got  your work cut out for you.  My guess is that your best shot is to find a way to get some open-minded people from each group together and let them hash it out.  Good luck getting people from all three groups together and keeping it from descending into an acrimonious, accusatory yelling match.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very, very interesting, Dr. Slammy.  I&#8217;ve thought about this situation too; unfortunately, i don&#8217;t have any brilliant ideas.  My thought process has ended in the &#8220;chicken/egg&#8221; conundrum.  The political divides in this country separate the population on the one issue that has the power to draw them together.  Does the issue have the power to heal the political divides, or must the divides be healed before the issue can be addressed?</p>
<p>I like the phrase &#8220;environmental conservativism&#8221; (though i dislike &#8220;isms&#8221;).  Unfortunately, our common connotation of &#8220;conservative&#8221; has nothing to do with its root word&#8230;on either side of the ideological divide.</p>
<p>We could attempt to appeal to common sense, but that would require first rebuilding common sense among the US population.  Similarly, we could appeal to future generations; however, we&#8217;ve descended to such a vainglorious level of &#8220;me, me, me&#8221; that such an approach would also require rebuilding fundamental thought processes.</p>
<p>&#8220;Stewardship&#8221; is perhaps the best available option, along with an attempt to retake the word &#8220;conserve&#8221; (but not the pinko, dirty word &#8220;conservation&#8221;) from the Limbaughs of the planet.  The long-term fiscal savings inherent in sustainability is probably another good option, though it is kneecapped by our current pursuit of short-term profit uber alles.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got  your work cut out for you.  My guess is that your best shot is to find a way to get some open-minded people from each group together and let them hash it out.  Good luck getting people from all three groups together and keeping it from descending into an acrimonious, accusatory yelling match.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-03-08 &#171; Kevin Bondelli&#8217;s YD Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2008-03-08 &#171; Kevin Bondelli&#8217;s YD Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 06:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sharing language across environmental groups &#8230; &#171; Energy Smart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharing language across environmental groups &#8230; &#171; Energy Smart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just posted is a truly excellent item:Â  Can enviro groups find shared language and values?Â Â  This piece does some content analysis to try to examine the language of environmentalists, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: www.buzzflash.net</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Can enviro groups find shared language and values?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Progressive environmentalists. Environmental evangelicals. Crunch conservatives. All three want to save the earth, but their values and vocabularies are so different it&#039;s hard to see how they can ever unite in common cause....</description>
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<p>Progressive environmentalists. Environmental evangelicals. Crunch conservatives. All three want to save the earth, but their values and vocabularies are so different it&#8217;s hard to see how they can ever unite in common cause&#8230;.</p>
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