Comments on: The Weekly Carboholic: Project Vulcan maps US CO2 emissions in detail http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/ Think. It ain't illegal yet... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:50:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The Weekly Carboholic: Soil key to global heating too | Scholars and Rogues http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-96160 The Weekly Carboholic: Soil key to global heating too | Scholars and Rogues Fri, 22 Jul 2011 22:31:03 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/#comment-96160 [...] weeks ago, the Weekly Carboholic introduced readers to Project Vulcan, a project with the goal of mapping the release of carbon dioxide emissions (CO2) in the U.S. with [...] [...] weeks ago, the Weekly Carboholic introduced readers to Project Vulcan, a project with the goal of mapping the release of carbon dioxide emissions (CO2) in the U.S. with [...]

]]> By: The Weekly Carboholic: California report recommends changes to adapt to rising sea level | Scholars and Rogues http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-95398 The Weekly Carboholic: California report recommends changes to adapt to rising sea level | Scholars and Rogues Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:02:30 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/#comment-95398 [...] that, until this report, I’d only seen seriously discussed in government circles by the English. And every time I’ve heard it suggested that maybe parts of New Orleans shouldn’t be [...] [...] that, until this report, I’d only seen seriously discussed in government circles by the English. And every time I’ve heard it suggested that maybe parts of New Orleans shouldn’t be [...]

]]> By: Scholars and Rogues » The Weekly Carboholic: CO satellite lost, GOSAT gets “first light” http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-63717 Scholars and Rogues » The Weekly Carboholic: CO satellite lost, GOSAT gets “first light” Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:52:30 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/#comment-63717 [...] Carboholic first reported on the Vulcan CO2 tracking project back in April ‘08. Since then they’ve released a few upgrades and incorporated new [...] [...] Carboholic first reported on the Vulcan CO2 tracking project back in April ‘08. Since then they’ve released a few upgrades and incorporated new [...]

]]> By: Scholars and Rogues » The Weekly Carboholic: a bit of everything http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-53270 Scholars and Rogues » The Weekly Carboholic: a bit of everything Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:38:23 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/#comment-53270 [...] in April, the Carboholic brought the news that the UK was starting a conversation about abandoning low lying villages and towns to rising seas. Last week brought news that the UK’s Environment Agency head Lord Chris Smith of Finsbury [...] [...] in April, the Carboholic brought the news that the UK was starting a conversation about abandoning low lying villages and towns to rising seas. Last week brought news that the UK’s Environment Agency head Lord Chris Smith of Finsbury [...]

]]> By: Brian Angliss http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-31805 Brian Angliss Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:59:17 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/#comment-31805 Elaine - the problem that McIntyre hasn't answered is why what the GISS equation that he posted, and the resulting changes thereof, are fundamentally wrong. As someone who works with math for a living (I'm an EE), there are equations and datasets that only make sense and can only be interpreted if you have the entire lifetime of data available. Engineers try to avoid that kind of data because it's hard to work with, but sometimes its unavoidable. I'm glad that Climate Audit keeps on top of Hansen et al, because McIntyre has found some serious problems that needed to be fixed. Whether this equation is one of those problems is, as yet, unknown. I hope he gets to the bottom of it, because frankly, if there is a significant bias in the data caused by an erroneous equation, then the data needs to be corrected. But at this point it just a concern that needs to be tracked down and understood. Elaine – the problem that McIntyre hasn’t answered is why what the GISS equation that he posted, and the resulting changes thereof, are fundamentally wrong. As someone who works with math for a living (I’m an EE), there are equations and datasets that only make sense and can only be interpreted if you have the entire lifetime of data available. Engineers try to avoid that kind of data because it’s hard to work with, but sometimes its unavoidable.

I’m glad that Climate Audit keeps on top of Hansen et al, because McIntyre has found some serious problems that needed to be fixed. Whether this equation is one of those problems is, as yet, unknown. I hope he gets to the bottom of it, because frankly, if there is a significant bias in the data caused by an erroneous equation, then the data needs to be corrected. But at this point it just a concern that needs to be tracked down and understood.

]]> By: Elaine http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-31777 Elaine Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:00:25 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/#comment-31777 ...and this is just downright scary, if basic figures are being tampered with. http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2964 …and this is just downright scary, if basic figures are being tampered with.

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2964

]]> By: www.buzzflash.net http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-31775 www.buzzflash.net Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:48:59 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/#comment-31775 <strong>The Weekly Carboholic: Project Vulcan maps US CO2 emissions in detail...</strong> Purdue's Project Vulcan maps US CO2 emissions in greater detail than ever before; Natural England suggests abandoning 1000-year old Norfolk villages to sea level rise; UU meteorologists find latest climate model predictions nearly as good as climate o... The Weekly Carboholic: Project Vulcan maps US CO2 emissions in detail…

Purdue’s Project Vulcan maps US CO2 emissions in greater detail than ever before; Natural England suggests abandoning 1000-year old Norfolk villages to sea level rise; UU meteorologists find latest climate model predictions nearly as good as climate o…

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]]> By: Elaine http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-31773 Elaine Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:32:34 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/#comment-31773 ...and just today, in the media, we have: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4472519a7693.html http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/601511/an-emerging-truth.thtml <a href="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080409/hurricane_forecast_080409/20080409?hub=World" rel="nofollow">hurricane forecast</a> …and just today, in the media, we have:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4472519a7693.html

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/601511/an-emerging-truth.thtml

hurricane forecast

]]> By: Russ Wellen http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-31769 Russ Wellen Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:21:43 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/#comment-31769 Thanks, Brian, for this critical information, which I would never be exposed to (or expose myself to) otherwise. Thanks for comment three, too, about that nice, little vicious cycle. Thanks, Brian, for this critical information, which I would never be exposed to (or expose myself to) otherwise. Thanks for comment three, too, about that nice, little vicious cycle.

]]> By: Elaine http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-31760 Elaine Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:52:28 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/#comment-31760 It is difficult to follow in the media. So this is very useful. Thanks! It is difficult to follow in the media. So this is very useful.

Thanks!

]]> By: Dr. Denny http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-31756 Dr. Denny Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:22:49 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/#comment-31756 Thanks. I hadn't thought about the impacts of local concentrations. Thanks. I hadn’t thought about the impacts of local concentrations.

]]> By: Brian Angliss http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-31750 Brian Angliss Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:24:48 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/#comment-31750 Slammy - You're seeing more than that, actually. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, and what you're seeing is local concentrations of the gas that can vary 10x more on a daily basis than the yearly increase in the entire atmosphere. As such, there's a chance that the local concentrations of CO<sub>2</sub> are partly responsible for local temperature increases. It's an area that I hope that some climate scientist(s) will take a close look at. Because it has implications regarding positive feedback - your local CO<sub>2</sub> emissions make the days hotter, so you use the AC more often, burning more gasoline and coal, releasing more CO<sub>2</sub> emissions. I'm not an expert, but it certainly raises some interesting new questions. What I'd really like to see is Vulcan expanded to cover every nation in the world where pollutants are monitored similarly to the U.S., and then an atmospheric transfer model applied to all of them to see how CO<sub>2</sub> mixes into the atmosphere, what weather does to it, etc. Slammy – You’re seeing more than that, actually. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, and what you’re seeing is local concentrations of the gas that can vary 10x more on a daily basis than the yearly increase in the entire atmosphere. As such, there’s a chance that the local concentrations of CO2 are partly responsible for local temperature increases.

It’s an area that I hope that some climate scientist(s) will take a close look at. Because it has implications regarding positive feedback – your local CO2 emissions make the days hotter, so you use the AC more often, burning more gasoline and coal, releasing more CO2 emissions. I’m not an expert, but it certainly raises some interesting new questions.

What I’d really like to see is Vulcan expanded to cover every nation in the world where pollutants are monitored similarly to the U.S., and then an atmospheric transfer model applied to all of them to see how CO2 mixes into the atmosphere, what weather does to it, etc.

]]> By: Dr. Slammy http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-31747 Dr. Slammy Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:15:07 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/#comment-31747 I'm no scientist, but as I watched the video above I had a thought. What we're seeing is undeniable - a massive dump of CO2 into the atmosphere. But the environmental holocaust denier crowd seems to believe that this has no consequence. Which makes me wonder: do these people not believe in chemistry? I’m no scientist, but as I watched the video above I had a thought. What we’re seeing is undeniable – a massive dump of CO2 into the atmosphere. But the environmental holocaust denier crowd seems to believe that this has no consequence.

Which makes me wonder: do these people not believe in chemistry?

]]> By: JS O'Brien http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/comment-page-1/#comment-31725 JS O'Brien Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:45:30 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/09/the-weekly-carboholic-project-vulcan-maps-us-co2-emissions-in-detail/#comment-31725 Thank you, thank you. It's difficult to follow this debate in the media because it moves so quickly and the information is technical enough that is is either difficult to understand, badly reported, or both. You're doing all of us a great service, Brian. Thank you, thank you. It’s difficult to follow this debate in the media because it moves so quickly and the information is technical enough that is is either difficult to understand, badly reported, or both.

You’re doing all of us a great service, Brian.

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