Comments on: How to win the Iraq war debate against your dumb friends http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/ Think - it ain't illegal yet... Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:32:11 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Prince Christopher http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-40394 Prince Christopher Sat, 24 May 2008 15:02:31 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-40394 First, the President, by the constitution, is NOT a king, but a servant of the people. And the majority of the American people want this war to end, so by the constitution's law, the government must end it or the government itself is in violation of its own laws. Second, it's easy to support a war when you're not the one fighting it, so go fight it if you support it. Third, what exactly did we accomplish by bombing a country that posed no threat to us other than estalishing the fact that we're a bunch of assholes who force our way of life on others with the rest of the world? The US has become this empire that goes around the world forcing its "holy" laws on all nations and bombing the infidels who refuse them. The Iraq war is nothing but chaos and an insane president's thirst for power and wealth. First, the President, by the constitution, is NOT a king, but a servant of the people. And the majority of the American people want this war to end, so by the constitution’s law, the government must end it or the government itself is in violation of its own laws. Second, it’s easy to support a war when you’re not the one fighting it, so go fight it if you support it. Third, what exactly did we accomplish by bombing a country that posed no threat to us other than estalishing the fact that we’re a bunch of assholes who force our way of life on others with the rest of the world? The US has become this empire that goes around the world forcing its “holy” laws on all nations and bombing the infidels who refuse them. The Iraq war is nothing but chaos and an insane president’s thirst for power and wealth.

]]> By: chris http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-33163 chris Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:54:04 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-33163 When I hear a wartard say the "surge is working" I say: we "surged" into Iraq FIVE years ago , and it hasn't worked since. When I hear a wartard say the “surge is working”

I say: we “surged” into Iraq FIVE years ago , and it hasn’t worked since.

]]> By: 10,000 Monkeys and a Camera http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-33159 10,000 Monkeys and a Camera Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:20:25 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-33159 <strong>Weekend Link Roundup!...</strong> Scholars & Rogues: How to win the Iraq war debate against your dumb friends Firedoglake: 4 Stories Illustrate BushÂ’s Unrelenting Dishonesty truthout: The Petraeus-Crocker Show Gets the Hook Free Range Kids: Why I Let My 9-Year-Old Ride the Subway...... Weekend Link Roundup!…

Scholars & Rogues: How to win the Iraq war debate against your dumb friends Firedoglake: 4 Stories Illustrate BushÂ’s Unrelenting Dishonesty truthout: The Petraeus-Crocker Show Gets the Hook Free Range Kids: Why I Let My 9-Year-Old Ride the Subway……

]]> By: Pete Tenney http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-33027 Pete Tenney Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:42:18 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-33027 Asking either the Pentagon or the Halliburtons of the world to end the war in Iraq is like asking a hooker for change from the hindred dollar bill you've just handed her. Asking either the Pentagon or the Halliburtons of the world to end the war in Iraq is like asking a hooker for change from the hindred dollar bill you’ve just handed her.

]]> By: Russ Wellen http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-32541 Russ Wellen Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:31:02 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-32541 I suspect this post will have a long life, especially in its second incarnation on YouTube. Thanks, Lee. Please come again. I suspect this post will have a long life, especially in its second incarnation on YouTube. Thanks, Lee. Please come again.

]]> By: The Last Word: Word! « Home of the Brave http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-32491 The Last Word: Word! « Home of the Brave Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:02:38 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-32491 [...] promises a video of this geniusness: Recently I was arguing with one of my dumber friends about the Iraq war. He loves Bush and thinks [...] [...] promises a video of this geniusness: Recently I was arguing with one of my dumber friends about the Iraq war. He loves Bush and thinks [...]

]]> By: LeeCamp http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-32475 LeeCamp Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:23:19 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-32475 Thanks Annie and everyone who liked the post. I'll work on a YouTube version. It wouldn't be for awhile though. Of course the "Bush is a colorblind child..." analogy as well as "war is like masturbation" can both be viewed on this video clip of my stand-up comedy: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LJa0y1WZ0tU (The main page is www.YouTube.com/LeeCamp). Thanks again everyone. Thanks Annie and everyone who liked the post. I’ll work on a YouTube version. It wouldn’t be for awhile though. Of course the “Bush is a colorblind child…” analogy as well as “war is like masturbation” can both be viewed on this video clip of my stand-up comedy: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LJa0y1WZ0tU (The main page is http://www.YouTube.com/LeeCamp).
Thanks again everyone.

]]> By: Annie http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-32457 Annie Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:04:15 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-32457 I'm one of those people who never has the witty response at hand ready to fire when the target's in sight. This is so appreciated. I'm sharing it all over the place. Could you make a youtube version of this post so that it can travel higher, farther and faster? I’m one of those people who never has the witty response at hand ready to fire when the target’s in sight. This is so appreciated. I’m sharing it all over the place.

Could you make a youtube version of this post so that it can travel higher, farther and faster?

]]> By: Caoimhin Laochdha http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-32453 Caoimhin Laochdha Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:57:28 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-32453 <blockquote>in the case of war, we have to listen to what the military is saying, and what political experts say. . . Saying that Petraus doesn’t know the exit conditions in Iraq is ignorant…he knows exactly what needs to happen, and expressed very well what was needed, and while he was vague, he was being honest. </blockquote> War is a political policy. It is a decision reserved for Congress only. Politicians (politicians as an extension of the people whom they represent) decide when, whether and where to have a war. Hopefully they choose correctly and, occasionally, they have. The U.S. war on Iraq is not an example of the latter. General Petraus' job is to understand Congress's intention. Does Congress want us in Iraq, if so for how long? His job is to achieve Congress's policy under the command of the President. Congress decides when to leave and General Petraus' job is to be candid about how that can happen what he needs to make it happen. Unfortunately, most of the politicians, and obviously General Petraus and President Bush have ignored their legal and constitutional duties and responsibilities. We are all paying the price and will for a long time to come. sláinte, cl

in the case of war, we have to listen to what the military is saying, and what political experts say. . . Saying that Petraus doesn’t know the exit conditions in Iraq is ignorant…he knows exactly what needs to happen, and expressed very well what was needed, and while he was vague, he was being honest.

War is a political policy. It is a decision reserved for Congress only.

Politicians (politicians as an extension of the people whom they represent) decide when, whether and where to have a war. Hopefully they choose correctly and, occasionally, they have. The U.S. war on Iraq is not an example of the latter.

General Petraus’ job is to understand Congress’s intention. Does Congress want us in Iraq, if so for how long? His job is to achieve Congress’s policy under the command of the President. Congress decides when to leave and General Petraus’ job is to be candid about how that can happen what he needs to make it happen.

Unfortunately, most of the politicians, and obviously General Petraus and President Bush have ignored their legal and constitutional duties and responsibilities. We are all paying the price and will for a long time to come.

sláinte,
cl

]]> By: Ubu Walker http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-32390 Ubu Walker Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:41:07 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-32390 Who do you want giving you advice about whether to have surgery and then perform the surgery? A medical doctor or acupuncturist? When you are sued by your neighbor, do you follow the legal advice of an attorney, or do you follow the advice of your cousin Jane? Of course, we trust the experts, and in the case of war, we have to listen to what the military is saying, and what political experts say. The Bush regime ignored both until very recently because they were blinded by their ideology. Now, I see fellow democrats ignoring the realities on the ground in Iraq, and ignoring progress that we have made. Saying that Petraus doesn't know the exit conditions in Iraq is ignorant...he knows exactly what needs to happen, and expressed very well what was needed, and while he was vague, he was being honest. Who do you want giving you advice about whether to have surgery and then perform the surgery? A medical doctor or acupuncturist? When you are sued by your neighbor, do you follow the legal advice of an attorney, or do you follow the advice of your cousin Jane? Of course, we trust the experts, and in the case of war, we have to listen to what the military is saying, and what political experts say. The Bush regime ignored both until very recently because they were blinded by their ideology. Now, I see fellow democrats ignoring the realities on the ground in Iraq, and ignoring progress that we have made. Saying that Petraus doesn’t know the exit conditions in Iraq is ignorant…he knows exactly what needs to happen, and expressed very well what was needed, and while he was vague, he was being honest.

]]> By: Discourse.net http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-32372 Discourse.net Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:38:32 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-32372 <strong>But I Don't Have Any Dumb Friends...</strong> Scholars and Rogues, How to win the Iraq war debate against your dumb friends. Actually, I’m not sure if I know anyone who supports the war any more, although I know people with varying views about how one extricates from it. If they do support i... But I Don’t Have Any Dumb Friends…

Scholars and Rogues, How to win the Iraq war debate against your dumb friends. Actually, I’m not sure if I know anyone who supports the war any more, although I know people with varying views about how one extricates from it. If they do support i…

]]> By: links for 2008-04-11 » Oliver Willis http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-32366 links for 2008-04-11 » Oliver Willis Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:35:03 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-32366 [...] How to win the Iraq war debate against your dumb friends [...] [...] How to win the Iraq war debate against your dumb friends [...]

]]> By: beemer http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-32357 beemer Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:01:28 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-32357 #6, of course not. That's why he's the "dumber" friend. #6, of course not. That’s why he’s the “dumber” friend.

]]> By: CJ White http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-32352 CJ White Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:46:30 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-32352 Great post. I'm thinking your traffic will go through the roof later today due to your linkage from Down With Tyranny. I also avoid dumb friends, but you can't really pick your relatives (and many of mine are quite dumb) so I'm looking forward to using these analogies at this summer's family reunion! Thanks again for the great post. Great post. I’m thinking your traffic will go through the roof later today due to your linkage from Down With Tyranny.

I also avoid dumb friends, but you can’t really pick your relatives (and many of mine are quite dumb) so I’m looking forward to using these analogies at this summer’s family reunion!

Thanks again for the great post.

]]> By: Milo http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-32276 Milo Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:51:24 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-32276 I've used similar arguments about why continued military action in Gaza is both politically and morally wrong, but your analogies are so much more succinct than mine. Thank you. I’ve used similar arguments about why continued military action in Gaza is both politically and morally wrong, but your analogies are so much more succinct than mine. Thank you.

]]> By: neclark http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-32224 neclark Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:43:18 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-32224 Does Lee's "dumber" friend know that he's the subject of this week's lesson? Does Lee’s “dumber” friend know that he’s the subject of this week’s lesson?

]]> By: neclark http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-32223 neclark Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:41:43 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-32223 I'd propose another analogy: The Administration never wants to withdraw from Iraq, because it will "die": The Admin is a mugger who has beaten a victim to the point of death - then, realizing he'll be charged with the more-serious crime of murder if the victim actually croaks, the mugger manages to find gutsy lawyers (and gullible courts) which allows him to force the victim to be maintained on life-support - so he'll never be charged with homicide. Then he offers endless "self-defense" excuses as to why the original attack was justified... I’d propose another analogy: The Administration never wants to withdraw from Iraq, because it will “die”: The Admin is a mugger who has beaten a victim to the point of death – then, realizing he’ll be charged with the more-serious crime of murder if the victim actually croaks, the mugger manages to find gutsy lawyers (and gullible courts) which allows him to force the victim to be maintained on life-support – so he’ll never be charged with homicide. Then he offers endless “self-defense” excuses as to why the original attack was justified…

]]> By: jeff http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-32208 jeff Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:45:42 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-32208 Dr. Slammy, Shedding dumb friends is one of the most important things one can do. I finally got rid of the last one about 5 years ago, and my life has been so much easier. Dumb friends just suck so much life out of you. That being said, most of my friends disagree with me politically, but I don't think of them as dumb. Perhaps misguided, but not dumb. Jeff Dr. Slammy,

Shedding dumb friends is one of the most important things one can do. I finally got rid of the last one about 5 years ago, and my life has been so much easier. Dumb friends just suck so much life out of you. That being said, most of my friends disagree with me politically, but I don’t think of them as dumb. Perhaps misguided, but not dumb.

Jeff

]]> By: Dr. Slammy http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-32179 Dr. Slammy Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:25:01 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-32179 I have some dumb ones, mostly from my younger days. When I was younger I had lots of dumb friends. So maybe maturity is somehow about shedding dumb people from your life. I have some dumb ones, mostly from my younger days. When I was younger I had lots of dumb friends. So maybe maturity is somehow about shedding dumb people from your life.

]]> By: jeff http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-32178 jeff Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:15:09 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/10/how-to-win-the-iraq-war-debate-against-your-dumb-friends/#comment-32178 This post makes me ask the question, "Why would one have dumb friends?" Jeff This post makes me ask the question, “Why would one have dumb friends?”

Jeff

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