For security reason I suggest to the civilians in the location of this machine to leave this place at time of experiment, and the people who do this experiments to warn those people before machine start to go on full power – for them to pray!

And this will never happen, because its stupid as a fact… Live such long time by creating such long history of human race and to reach the final step its destroying of all(except of correcting), for Nova World!??? I think God have a lot of places in his\she’s hands to create New Worlds, or you think we dont like them because a lot of p0rn in internet!? OK… For example, the God is hate the p0rno, but why he is create them?

K.O. Have Nice Day, France and Switzerland!

…This just about sums it up. If this project cannot be defended on a MORAL BASIS, IT MUST BE CLOSED DOWN. The Hadron Proect is no different in concept to justifying raping and murdering pre-teen girl, by using a tape recorder and a sound meter to see what sort of screaming they make.

The only difference between the people who built the Hadron Collider and those who manned the gas chambers at Auschwitz is that at least the Waffen SS were determined only to liquidate some of the world’s population and not all of it.

[T]he fact is that Government has NO RIGHT to put my life and those of everyone else on a roulette wheel regardless of however unlikely this outcome is.

That is a moral statement, and I was countering it with facts, rather than attempting to comment about scientific research in any way. If you care to address any of the myriad of scientific points I’ve made over the course of this discussion, I’ll happily re-engage in discussion with you.

For someone commenting on SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH is it absolutely stunning that you should base your argument upon the existence of fantasy entities like WEREWOLVES, THE TOOTH FAIRY or EVIL WOODLAND SPIRITS..

There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER FOR THE EXISTENCE OF “SOCIETY”.

>>>>SOCIETY DOES NOT EXIST <<<<

“SOCIETY” is an entirely fictional entity, no different from talking about VAMPIRES, PIXIES or SANTA CLAUS.

THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE EXISTENCE OF “SOCIETY”: WHATSOEVER.

And i’m happy to hear that it could be millions of years before the event is recorded…no one will be able to prove me wrong.

Brian, i don’t think that our penchant for releasing unintended consequences should stop the work, but that might be because i’m not worried about the blackhole scenario. I figure that i have much greater things to worry about, and if that’s what happens i won’t need to worry anyhow.

Full disclosure, i’m not a scientist…but i’ve seen them on TV (i guess i don’t know if they’re real scientists. Between Heisenberg and Zeno it’s hard to get anywhere or know much of anything.

Jeff

Have you read the disclaimer from CERN’s own SPC Committee that validated the 2008 LSAG Safety Report:

Quote “this argument relies on properties of cosmic rays and neutrinos that, while highly plausible, do require confirmation” – SPC Committee

Still sounds like conceivable danger to me… This approval report is available here: http://indico.cern.ch/getFile.py/access?contribId=20&resId=0&materialId=0&confId=35065

I am not aware of any irrefutable arguments for the safety of creating micro black holes with velocities too slow to escape Earth.

Three strongly disputed assumptions… Micro Black holes are created or not, decay or not, grow slowly or not.

I hope I’m miscalculating, but I fear this might be a bit like playing Russian Roulette and not knowing how many cylinders are loaded, none, all?

LHCFacts.org

Have you seen the “Your Prefer Your Collider” music video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1L2xODZSI4

Another way to play ’spot the kook’ (besides the obvious, like citations from wikipedia) is the use of CraZy CaPS. Crazy Caps is a SURE-FIRE indicator that SOMEONE has been SmOkInG sOmeTHinG instead of doing their PHYSICS HOMEWORK.

I get the distinct impression from some of the nay-saying commentary that not only should we not be building the LHC, but we should all still be huddled under damp animal skins next to smoky campfires like our Homo Erectus ancestors – for our own safety, of course. Because mankind in the collective is clearly too stupid to be in charge of their own destiny. (But the nay-sayers, of course, in their wisdom can “see the light” where the rest of us cannot.)

What I find most amusing (and alarming, at times) is that these same critics who are so skeptical and downright hostile towards conventional science are all too eager to suck down pseudo-science, shaky metaphysics, and new-age claptrap in huge gulps without a second thought, much less a critical eye.

Sorry, but I’ll take facts and logic that have passed through the sieve of scientific rigor over moralizing diatribes and “this is what I think so it must be true” ruminations. Sorry; I’m funny that way.

Lil’ Steebie here is first in history to figure out what the Uniform Field was and all I used was pen and paper.

And you’ve published your theory where, precisely? You’ve convinced experts that you’re right exactly how?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, Steve. Put up or shut up.

Unless, of course, you’re saying what I think you’re implying, that the “Universal Field” is something mystical or spiritual – God (or gods, or the Force). In which case you’re confusing the untestable for science and we have nothing more to discuss.

Ten years ago we were assured that mBHs could not be produced by any conceivable accelerator on Earth. The Plank Energy 10 ^ 19 GeV was supposedly required to produce a micro black hole…. Today CERN and others are assuring us(if that’s the right word!) that the LHC will be a “BLACK HOLE FACTORY”, operating at only about 10 ^ 4GeV. Thus people believe a certain version of string theory with extra dimensions, and it is now thought that mBHs are 10 ^ 15 times easier to produce.

You, and the CERN scientists you’re supposedly quoting, are relying on one of the very “flavor of the month” string theories. And given that there are potentially an infinite number of correct solutions (all of which have zero predictive value and so are unscientific at best and mathematical masturbation at worst) to string theories, using the one that might give rise to black holes at a low energy is intellectually lazy. This is true both of the CERN scientists and the original composer of this so-called “open letter.”

We could hardly be more unsure of the actual mBH lifetime[from 10^-86 to 10^-26 due to string theories], in a quantitative sense, since the predicted values are so dependent on the “flavor of the month” version of string theory.

And this is why the best bet is the one that doesn’t rely on dubious, untestable string theories in the first place, the basic non-”large extra dimensions” theory that gives us a black hole lifetime of 10^-86.

The fact that HAWKING RADIATION HAS NEVER BEEN OBSERVED in cosmic ray showers, suggests a process too slow to save us, even if it occurs.

First off, there’s a fundamental error here – we’re incapable of observing Hawking radiation through the atmosphere at all because the gamma rays produced by any theoretical nano black hole would be absorbed entirely by the atmosphere. There’s a reason that all gamma ray observatories are satellites – only satellites can detect gamma rays because they’re above the atmosphere. In addition, the Earth does not emit gamma rays except from artificial nuclear reactions (specifically above-ground nuclear weapon detonations).

There’s an alternate and simpler (and thus far more likely) conclusion to be drawn here – high energy cosmic rays do not create black holes at all.

Operating the LHC in COLLIDER MODE, ensures that the centre of mass velocity of the collisions are distributed about zero, and not just under the speed of light….

All the mBHs produced by such very high energy particles are relativistic, and are harmless, for the reasons described above. OPERATING THE LHC IN COLLIDER MODE REMOVES THIS PROTECTION IMMEDIATELY

Entirely false for primary non-elastic collisions. See Update #1 in the post above. The ONLY possibility of creating zero-velocity non-elastic collision is if it happens as a result of two elastic collisions that happen to hit exactly right. For an estimate of that likelihood, see Update #2 above.

The energy of the neutrons that triggered the exponential process in the TRINITY ATOM BOMB TEST 1945 in the New Mexico Desert was many orders of magnitude less than this, but STARTED AN EXPONENTIALLY INCREASING PROCESS.

To use the original writer’s own words, comparing the LHC to nuclear weapons is a “false analogy”. Slow neutrons collide with things like atomic nuclei – the only way to get naturally repelling protons (due to electric charge) to collide with each other is to dramatically increase their energy. This is comparing apples to oranges.

During the short time the U235 is explosively brought to a supercritical state, EVEN ONE SLOW NEUTRON causing fission is sufficient.

This would be true only if a single slow neutron happens to hit a heavy atomic nucleus, but if you could somehow stop the material from decaying and fired individual slow neutrons at it, you could probably fire them for days without actually causing a fission accident.

The reason that specific temperatures, shapes, or densities are required to reach a supercritical state is to ensure that enough of the millions of neutrons being naturally emitted by decaying atoms of uranium or plutonium actually hit other atoms in order to speed up the natural fission process. Without a critical density of both fissionable atoms and neutrons with which to initiate fission, a fission reaction goes nowhere.

The users of DU gave all sorts of explanations and excuses and reasons why DU was so “safe” to use. Which turned out not to be the truth at all. Big chunks of the Earth are now permanently poisoned with uranium dust. Those who have a personal agenda of greed or egotism or sheer stupidness or whatever will lie and lie and lie and lie to reach the goal they want.

If those at CERN are so smart and all-knowing, how come no one there can figure out what the Uniform Field is, even thought they may be literally looking right at it and still not recognize it for what it is? Both at the top and bottom of this page, there it is, the Uniform Field. The Field that literally everything is created from and exists within. And not one of those at CERN would have seen it for what it is. Even though it’s completely ridiculously simple.

If those at CERN can’t even perceive even the very most obvious of all things, how could I possibly trust anything they say regarding a situation that’s so absurdly dangerous?

Regarding the Uniform Field, you have a cubic meter and start removing stuff from it, including even down to the quantum foam and even smaller stuff than that. Literally every single everthing is removed. What will you be left with? Besides zero? Zero doesn’t count as it isn’t the Uniform Field. And it can’t be vibrated. But there’s something else there that can exist in a state of vibration. Something that can’t be removed from that cubic meter no matter how hard you tried even with the very most advanced of technology. So what is it? A field that is completely uniform everywhere in all situations, spaces and times and dimensions?

Hint: look at the top and bottom of this page. See? It’s simple. And it didn’t cost billions of euros and not anything was destroyed. If you figure out what the Uniform Field is, it’s fairly easy if somewhat tedious at times to then figure out the rest of the stuff that emanates from it. All kinds of interesting stuff. Even the programming code of our universe.

Like I said before, we’re being screwed, blued, and tattooed by those with a suicide wish. I don’t have anything particular against suicide. If you want to commit suicide, that’s your personal business for whatever personal reason you’re doing it. But don’t involve others who don’t want to be involved. If you want to suicide, then do it honorably.

I’ve been following along with the LHC for the past 6+ years and I say it’s truly a stupid and dangerous idea. And totally not needed. Pen and paper work just great for figuring stuff out if one actually bothers to use a few brain cells. Lil’ Steebie here is first in history to figure out what the Uniform Field was and all I used was pen and paper.

The cost of a pen: next to nothing.
The cost of paper: next to nothing.
Actually using one’s brain: priceless.

Ps. The programming code of our universe isn’t anything at all like what middle eastern derived mythologies say it is. Personally, I find what it actually is to be completely hilarious. But then, that’s just me. George Carlin would have found it funny, too. I’m gonna miss you, George. You weren’t at all shy about poking fun at the anal retentives who delude themselve that they are the center of all the universes and whatever personal opinion they have at the moment has just automatically become the Supreme Law of Everything no matter how untrue that personal opinion is.

LOL.

By the way, is Penthouse still around?

Jef

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f01ggKKk36E

hehehe.

However, using wiki as a source to try to convince Hawking, is simply the most laughable thing I’ve seen in a long time.

Jeff