Comments on: Let’s kill a child … for Jesus!

By: Kevin

Kevin — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:43:19 +0000

DR. Slammy, what happened was horrible.
My knee jerk reaction is to press criminal charges against the parents for neglect, but the reality is that under our constitution, the greatest legal frame work set up by humans thus far into our infantile and spastic existance, allows people the freedom to believe whatever idiotic superstitions they wish. Freedom of religion also means freedom for stupid religions full of stupid people.
Noone took an active measure in harming the children.
The other examples you cited were all active measures of violence needing to be justified.
Neglect is passive, purposeful ignorance.
So this wasn’t even neglect. These people, had a beliefe that if god wanted the child healed, healing would take place. If god did not heal the child then god wanted that child to die to teach some lesson or whatever.
Completely insane? Absolutely!
Illegal? No way!

This issue isn’t really about religion. It’s about freedom. It is about personal liberty and self determination.
You can’t stop stupid from happening. You can’t protect people from being idiots. Some of them are just idiots. I prefer to think of it as built in population control. God can work in all the mysterious ways he wants. Darwin’s theory works in linear straight forward ways. And is the only of the two that produces results on a regular basis.

From my point of view your outrage is based on arrogance. You think there should be a way to “save” these innocent children from these “god freaks”.

God may have in fact let those children die because if they lived they would have been much worse off living and being raised by those nut jobs.

Roy Fisher has an excellant point though. Currently, children are similar to “property”. While they are not old enough to make their own decisions, those decisions are made for them by their family.
At the same time, I want the freedom to raise my children how I want. I let my kids make decisions about their beliefes like god and santa claus and so on. I dont want you or Ron telling me what I can and cannot teach my kids. I made them, I take care of them, I am the one who provides the things in life and through education that I think they need to be usefull good humans. So it’s my decision if I don’t want to take them to the doctor.

This whole scenario is a large VERY GREY swamp. But you have tried to portray it as a black and white asphalt lot. You are either here, or there. When in fact most people are wandering knee deep in the grey and many of us are holding hands in mild agreement that as a group we are headed in the right direction.
But you can’t punish those groups who don’t want to hold hands with yours as they and their members sink into the swamp and some may die.
You have to accept that they made their choices and those choices led to a dead end for them, so learn from it and hold onto the people who DO want to share a vision of reality with you. Cause as a group, you will all have a better chance.
Sincerely Kevin

By: me

me — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:16:27 +0000

Jesus would heal the sick….

By: herb

herb — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:16:17 +0000

In Canada, the British Colombia Supreme Court ruled in favour of the kids who needed blood transfusions over the parents’ Jehovah Witness belief forbidding transfusions. I’d imagine a similar ruling in the US if it came to it.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/06/13/bc-sextuplets-court-ruling.html

“A child’s right to life trumps a parent’s charter right to guide their medical treatment in the case of four sextuplets taken from their Jehovah’s Witness parents, according to a B.C. Supreme Court judgment released Friday.

“In his ruling, Chief Justice Donald Brenner said the seizure of the four surviving infants for blood transfusions â€” contrary to their parents’ religious beliefs â€” was medically necessary to either save the children’s lives or keep them from harm.”

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By: tom

tom — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:42:55 +0000

What would Jesus do?

By: Dr. Slammy

Dr. Slammy — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:27:19 +0000

Well, I guess I should have used a third option, then.

By: fikshun

fikshun — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:25:33 +0000

I was one of the minority votes. I didn’t vote that way because of the freedom of religion aspect. I voted that way because I think overpopulation is a major issue, particularly among the brain-locked. So, if any of these backwards rejects want to pull their progeny out of the gene pool voluntarily, I’m all for it.

I don’t think it’s fair to the children, but then, raised in that household, it’s not as though they had much opportunity for reasonably useful lives anyway.

By: Ingrid

Ingrid — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:06:52 +0000

I am so insulated.. I live in Austin, where the nutjobs be loathed to dwell. That said, this is the Capital but it just boggles the mind..
the article mentions the irony of the dissenters which is ironic to me as most people associate all conservative voices (or better put, associates MOST conservative voices) as automatically dismissal-worthy.
I’ll have to check and see if the Austin_American statesman will opine against this one although we can ‘opine’ till the cows come home.. the Texas Supreme Court gosh darnit!

Ingrid

By: Dr. Slammy

Dr. Slammy — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:43:46 +0000

Sweet fancy line-dancing Jesus - as if on cue: Texas Supreme Court Says If You Are Injured By A Church, You Are Screwed

By: Michael "Ubertramp" Pecaut

Michael "Ubertramp" Pecaut — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:53:55 +0000

This is actually a tough question. One one end of the spectrum, we have these idiots. At the other, we have the people that keep brain-dead people hooked up to life support for ever and ever and ever even though they have no chance of recovering. Strange how both sides of this spectrum is “justified” in religious terms. There is no middle ground?

By: Roy Fischer

Roy Fischer — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:17:51 +0000

I think the problem is the perception that children are the property of their parents. I don’t believe that. Parents are the stewards, not the owners, of their children until those children reach adulthood, in my view. But a lot of people seem to think they own their children.

By: www.buzzflash.net

www.buzzflash.net — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:10:21 +0000

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