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	<title>Comments on: Ramseys cleared; Denver Post releases the truthers</title>
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		<title>By: crtf</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/07/11/ramseys-cleared-denver-post-releases-the-truthers/comment-page-1/#comment-63234</link>
		<dc:creator>crtf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need some Columbine truthers who have learned that the Columbine killers were avenging a bad arrest. El Paso county filed a picture Eric Harris drew the night of his arrest  in a file called &quot;Walsh buttrape&quot;. Walsh was the arresting  officer. google Columbine family request or walsh buttrape. 
http://www.dylanklebold.com/documents/El%20Paso/Notebook%202/Diagrams.pdf
http://www.dylanklebold
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5042594391235212532.com/documents/El%20Paso/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need some Columbine truthers who have learned that the Columbine killers were avenging a bad arrest. El Paso county filed a picture Eric Harris drew the night of his arrest  in a file called &#8220;Walsh buttrape&#8221;. Walsh was the arresting  officer. google Columbine family request or walsh buttrape.<br />
<a href="http://www.dylanklebold.com/documents/El%20Paso/Notebook%202/Diagrams.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.dylanklebold.com/documents/El%20Paso/Notebook%202/Diagrams.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://www.dylanklebold" rel="nofollow">http://www.dylanklebold</a><br />
<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5042594391235212532.com/documents/El%20Paso/" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5042594391235212532.com/documents/El%20Paso/</a></p>
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		<title>By: fikshun</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/07/11/ramseys-cleared-denver-post-releases-the-truthers/comment-page-1/#comment-47331</link>
		<dc:creator>fikshun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  This is amazing.  You&#039;ve really gotten to him.  He&#039;s right there with Kizla in Sports.  Their jobs are to beat the rug, beat their chests, and represent &quot;popular opinion&quot;.  It&#039;s sad to see a major publication stoop so low just to get a reaction for the sake of advertising and readership.

I&#039;m a tad biased, but even while consciously putting that aside, it&#039;s hard not to lean your way.  Attacking one&#039;s opposition is not nearly as persuasive as presenting the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  This is amazing.  You&#8217;ve really gotten to him.  He&#8217;s right there with Kizla in Sports.  Their jobs are to beat the rug, beat their chests, and represent &#8220;popular opinion&#8221;.  It&#8217;s sad to see a major publication stoop so low just to get a reaction for the sake of advertising and readership.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a tad biased, but even while consciously putting that aside, it&#8217;s hard not to lean your way.  Attacking one&#8217;s opposition is not nearly as persuasive as presenting the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: JS OBrien</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/07/11/ramseys-cleared-denver-post-releases-the-truthers/comment-page-1/#comment-47305</link>
		<dc:creator>JS OBrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it strike anyone else as hilarious that someone who makes a LIVING writing opinions would call someone who does it on the side a &quot;blowhard&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it strike anyone else as hilarious that someone who makes a LIVING writing opinions would call someone who does it on the side a &#8220;blowhard&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Wellen</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/07/11/ramseys-cleared-denver-post-releases-the-truthers/comment-page-1/#comment-47299</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Wellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work, Dr. Fringy Blowhard. Though I lack your certainty, you&#039;re close to convincing me. Harsanyi, since he&#039;s followed the case, may have some legitimate insights. But they&#039;re not apparent from his article.

Meanwhile, Scholars &amp; Rogues needs to think of ways of promoting Dr. Tracey&#039;s piece before serializing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work, Dr. Fringy Blowhard. Though I lack your certainty, you&#8217;re close to convincing me. Harsanyi, since he&#8217;s followed the case, may have some legitimate insights. But they&#8217;re not apparent from his article.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Scholars &amp; Rogues needs to think of ways of promoting Dr. Tracey&#8217;s piece before serializing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really care about this case, because I&#039;m kind of bothered by the over coverage of the rich, pretty, white girl who gets&#039; killed or kidnapped routine that happens regularly.  I&#039;m throwing down my race card right now and I don&#039;t care.  

However this guy called you a &quot;blowhard&quot;.  I don&#039;t even know if you can respond back to that.  Its&#039; one of those &quot;so&#039;s your face&quot; comments that leave you speechless because of their idiotic immature nature.  Maybe you can call him a &quot;gayrod&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really care about this case, because I&#8217;m kind of bothered by the over coverage of the rich, pretty, white girl who gets&#8217; killed or kidnapped routine that happens regularly.  I&#8217;m throwing down my race card right now and I don&#8217;t care.  </p>
<p>However this guy called you a &#8220;blowhard&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t even know if you can respond back to that.  Its&#8217; one of those &#8220;so&#8217;s your face&#8221; comments that leave you speechless because of their idiotic immature nature.  Maybe you can call him a &#8220;gayrod&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/07/11/ramseys-cleared-denver-post-releases-the-truthers/comment-page-1/#comment-47190</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.denverpost.com/opinion/2008/07/11/anger-wont-clear-ramseys&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I got under Harsanyi&#039;s skin&lt;/a&gt;.

As I say in my comment there:&lt;blockquote&gt;I wish youâ€™d invested as much effort in acquainting yourself with the FACTS of the case as you do in launching personal shots at me. In fact, what Iâ€™d love would be if youâ€™d engage the substance of my indictment of your uninformed screed.

The funniest part is that you offer nothing but conspiracy theory and engage in all manner of &lt;i&gt;ad hominem&lt;/i&gt;, and then you accuse ME of conspiracy theory and &lt;i&gt;ad hominem&lt;/i&gt;. This must be what itâ€™s like arguing with Karl Rove. If pointing out that DNA evidence isnâ€™t conspiracy theory and calling you out for ignoring actual evidence in one spot and pretending thereâ€™s evidence where none exists makes me a â€œfringe blowhard,â€ then I guess I need to add the term to my business card.

That you additionally invoke Westword is even more entertaining. Once upon a time they were the only credible source of journalism in this town. They were getting it right on Columbine, for instance, while your employer was intentionally - by its own admission, once Salon caught it with its pants down, by the way - lying about the Cassie Bernall story. Once Westword was great, but now, sadly, theyâ€™re the Enquirer. A little better than you, but not enough to haggle over. They now never miss a chance to slur Tracey or anyone else who dares address the evidence of the case, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/11/cu-karson-ramsey-westword/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;regardless of whether the story theyâ€™re allegedly covering has anything to do with the Ramseys or not&lt;/a&gt;.

As for you, well, all I ask is this. I encourage your readers to re-read your column. Then Iâ€™d have them read my post.

Thereâ€™s no question that Iâ€™m angry - so on this count I plead guilty - and I doubtless have a bad attitude. But in my defense I have to note that bad journalism has that effect on me, and when a guy lucky enough to have your platform uses it to make his readers dumber, well, forgive my pique.

In any case, you say nothing here - and I donâ€™t expect you ever will - that calls for further elaboration on my part. As I say in the article, there are facts in the case, there is EVIDENCE, and your â€œanalysisâ€ makes clear that you have no acquaintance with or interest in either.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Do I expect Harsanyi to engage the hard evidence? What do you think?

I am keeping a list, though. I expect this case to be solved some day. If I am wrong and one of the Ramseys was, in fact, involved, I will apologize to him in as public a forum as I have today indicted him.

If we find the killer and it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; a family member? Yeah, then I&#039;ll be inviting him to S&amp;R for a guest piece where he can apologize to the family, to Dr. Tracey, to me, and to every reader whose IQ his brand of anti-journalism has lowered.

UPDATE: Hmmm. My comment over there isn&#039;t showing up. If it&#039;s awaiting moderation there&#039;s nothing that tells me this. Could he have deleted it?

Maybe it will show up. Or maybe he&#039;ll decide that things work better for him in a one-way legacy media world where you can control the entirety of what people get to see.

Ironically, that message control thing is part of why we&#039;re all in this mess, huh?

Stay tuned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like <a href="http://blogs.denverpost.com/opinion/2008/07/11/anger-wont-clear-ramseys" rel="nofollow">I got under Harsanyi&#8217;s skin</a>.</p>
<p>As I say in my comment there:<br />
<blockquote>I wish youâ€™d invested as much effort in acquainting yourself with the FACTS of the case as you do in launching personal shots at me. In fact, what Iâ€™d love would be if youâ€™d engage the substance of my indictment of your uninformed screed.</p>
<p>The funniest part is that you offer nothing but conspiracy theory and engage in all manner of <i>ad hominem</i>, and then you accuse ME of conspiracy theory and <i>ad hominem</i>. This must be what itâ€™s like arguing with Karl Rove. If pointing out that DNA evidence isnâ€™t conspiracy theory and calling you out for ignoring actual evidence in one spot and pretending thereâ€™s evidence where none exists makes me a â€œfringe blowhard,â€ then I guess I need to add the term to my business card.</p>
<p>That you additionally invoke Westword is even more entertaining. Once upon a time they were the only credible source of journalism in this town. They were getting it right on Columbine, for instance, while your employer was intentionally &#8211; by its own admission, once Salon caught it with its pants down, by the way &#8211; lying about the Cassie Bernall story. Once Westword was great, but now, sadly, theyâ€™re the Enquirer. A little better than you, but not enough to haggle over. They now never miss a chance to slur Tracey or anyone else who dares address the evidence of the case, <a href="http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/11/cu-karson-ramsey-westword/" rel="nofollow">regardless of whether the story theyâ€™re allegedly covering has anything to do with the Ramseys or not</a>.</p>
<p>As for you, well, all I ask is this. I encourage your readers to re-read your column. Then Iâ€™d have them read my post.</p>
<p>Thereâ€™s no question that Iâ€™m angry &#8211; so on this count I plead guilty &#8211; and I doubtless have a bad attitude. But in my defense I have to note that bad journalism has that effect on me, and when a guy lucky enough to have your platform uses it to make his readers dumber, well, forgive my pique.</p>
<p>In any case, you say nothing here &#8211; and I donâ€™t expect you ever will &#8211; that calls for further elaboration on my part. As I say in the article, there are facts in the case, there is EVIDENCE, and your â€œanalysisâ€ makes clear that you have no acquaintance with or interest in either.</p></blockquote>
<p>Do I expect Harsanyi to engage the hard evidence? What do you think?</p>
<p>I am keeping a list, though. I expect this case to be solved some day. If I am wrong and one of the Ramseys was, in fact, involved, I will apologize to him in as public a forum as I have today indicted him.</p>
<p>If we find the killer and it&#8217;s <i>not</i> a family member? Yeah, then I&#8217;ll be inviting him to S&#038;R for a guest piece where he can apologize to the family, to Dr. Tracey, to me, and to every reader whose IQ his brand of anti-journalism has lowered.</p>
<p>UPDATE: Hmmm. My comment over there isn&#8217;t showing up. If it&#8217;s awaiting moderation there&#8217;s nothing that tells me this. Could he have deleted it?</p>
<p>Maybe it will show up. Or maybe he&#8217;ll decide that things work better for him in a one-way legacy media world where you can control the entirety of what people get to see.</p>
<p>Ironically, that message control thing is part of why we&#8217;re all in this mess, huh?</p>
<p>Stay tuned.</p>
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		<title>By: vladimir_dt</title>
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		<dc:creator>vladimir_dt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely said, hopefully you will inspire some actual creative cogitation on the source material vs the infotainment material.  

Not that I expect it tho, people seem stubbornly determined to remain stupid for all intents and purposes.  &quot;never underestimate the power of human stupidity.&quot; Lazarus Long, in Time Enough for Love, RA Heinlein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely said, hopefully you will inspire some actual creative cogitation on the source material vs the infotainment material.  </p>
<p>Not that I expect it tho, people seem stubbornly determined to remain stupid for all intents and purposes.  &#8220;never underestimate the power of human stupidity.&#8221; Lazarus Long, in Time Enough for Love, RA Heinlein.</p>
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		<title>By: www.buzzflash.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.buzzflash.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ramseys cleared; Denver Post releases the truthers...&lt;/strong&gt;

I emphasize the word â€œevidenceâ€ for a reason. There are FACTS in the Ramsey case, and pretty much without exception those who are convinced of the familyâ€™s guilt are people who are relying not on evidence, but on media reports that run the gamut ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Ramseys cleared; Denver Post releases the truthers&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I emphasize the word â€œevidenceâ€ for a reason. There are FACTS in the Ramsey case, and pretty much without exception those who are convinced of the familyâ€™s guilt are people who are relying not on evidence, but on media reports that run the gamut &#8230;</p>
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