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		<title>By: crtf</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/07/11/ramseys-cleared-denver-post-releases-the-truthers/comment-page-1/#comment-84414</link>
		<dc:creator>crtf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 00:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are important connections between the Jon Benet Ramsey case, the Judi Chase case and Columbine. Judi Chase lost her husband who was tortured, murdered and found in Bear Creek. He was killed because he learned about a child trafficking ring known as the FAT CATS. The Ransom note mentions that John is not the only FAT CAT in town and he knows what they are capable of. Carcasses were thrown in Judi&#039;s  yard, carcasses were thrown in the Ramsey yard and also a victim of Columbine. Also other satanic signs.
Google  Judi Chases Amber Alert

Google   Columbine Family Request</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are important connections between the Jon Benet Ramsey case, the Judi Chase case and Columbine. Judi Chase lost her husband who was tortured, murdered and found in Bear Creek. He was killed because he learned about a child trafficking ring known as the FAT CATS. The Ransom note mentions that John is not the only FAT CAT in town and he knows what they are capable of. Carcasses were thrown in Judi&#8217;s  yard, carcasses were thrown in the Ramsey yard and also a victim of Columbine. Also other satanic signs.<br />
Google  Judi Chases Amber Alert</p>
<p>Google   Columbine Family Request</p>
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		<title>By: Ramseys cleared; Denver Post releases the truthers &#124; Speaking of JonBenet&#8230;.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramseys cleared; Denver Post releases the truthers &#124; Speaking of JonBenet&#8230;.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Slammy over at Scholars and Rogues is discussing the Ramsey case - [...]</description>
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		<title>By: crtf</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/07/11/ramseys-cleared-denver-post-releases-the-truthers/comment-page-1/#comment-63234</link>
		<dc:creator>crtf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need some Columbine truthers who have learned that the Columbine killers were avenging a bad arrest. El Paso county filed a picture Eric Harris drew the night of his arrest  in a file called &quot;Walsh buttrape&quot;. Walsh was the arresting  officer. google Columbine family request or walsh buttrape. 
http://www.dylanklebold.com/documents/El%20Paso/Notebook%202/Diagrams.pdf
http://www.dylanklebold
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5042594391235212532.com/documents/El%20Paso/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need some Columbine truthers who have learned that the Columbine killers were avenging a bad arrest. El Paso county filed a picture Eric Harris drew the night of his arrest  in a file called &#8220;Walsh buttrape&#8221;. Walsh was the arresting  officer. google Columbine family request or walsh buttrape.<br />
<a href="http://www.dylanklebold.com/documents/El%20Paso/Notebook%202/Diagrams.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.dylanklebold.com/documents/El%20Paso/Notebook%202/Diagrams.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://www.dylanklebold" rel="nofollow">http://www.dylanklebold</a><br />
<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5042594391235212532.com/documents/El%20Paso/" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5042594391235212532.com/documents/El%20Paso/</a></p>
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		<title>By: fikshun</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/07/11/ramseys-cleared-denver-post-releases-the-truthers/comment-page-1/#comment-47331</link>
		<dc:creator>fikshun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  This is amazing.  You&#039;ve really gotten to him.  He&#039;s right there with Kizla in Sports.  Their jobs are to beat the rug, beat their chests, and represent &quot;popular opinion&quot;.  It&#039;s sad to see a major publication stoop so low just to get a reaction for the sake of advertising and readership.

I&#039;m a tad biased, but even while consciously putting that aside, it&#039;s hard not to lean your way.  Attacking one&#039;s opposition is not nearly as persuasive as presenting the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  This is amazing.  You&#8217;ve really gotten to him.  He&#8217;s right there with Kizla in Sports.  Their jobs are to beat the rug, beat their chests, and represent &#8220;popular opinion&#8221;.  It&#8217;s sad to see a major publication stoop so low just to get a reaction for the sake of advertising and readership.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a tad biased, but even while consciously putting that aside, it&#8217;s hard not to lean your way.  Attacking one&#8217;s opposition is not nearly as persuasive as presenting the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: JS OBrien</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/07/11/ramseys-cleared-denver-post-releases-the-truthers/comment-page-1/#comment-47305</link>
		<dc:creator>JS OBrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it strike anyone else as hilarious that someone who makes a LIVING writing opinions would call someone who does it on the side a &quot;blowhard&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it strike anyone else as hilarious that someone who makes a LIVING writing opinions would call someone who does it on the side a &#8220;blowhard&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Wellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Wellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work, Dr. Fringy Blowhard. Though I lack your certainty, you&#039;re close to convincing me. Harsanyi, since he&#039;s followed the case, may have some legitimate insights. But they&#039;re not apparent from his article.

Meanwhile, Scholars &amp; Rogues needs to think of ways of promoting Dr. Tracey&#039;s piece before serializing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work, Dr. Fringy Blowhard. Though I lack your certainty, you&#8217;re close to convincing me. Harsanyi, since he&#8217;s followed the case, may have some legitimate insights. But they&#8217;re not apparent from his article.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Scholars &amp; Rogues needs to think of ways of promoting Dr. Tracey&#8217;s piece before serializing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really care about this case, because I&#039;m kind of bothered by the over coverage of the rich, pretty, white girl who gets&#039; killed or kidnapped routine that happens regularly.  I&#039;m throwing down my race card right now and I don&#039;t care.  

However this guy called you a &quot;blowhard&quot;.  I don&#039;t even know if you can respond back to that.  Its&#039; one of those &quot;so&#039;s your face&quot; comments that leave you speechless because of their idiotic immature nature.  Maybe you can call him a &quot;gayrod&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really care about this case, because I&#8217;m kind of bothered by the over coverage of the rich, pretty, white girl who gets&#8217; killed or kidnapped routine that happens regularly.  I&#8217;m throwing down my race card right now and I don&#8217;t care.  </p>
<p>However this guy called you a &#8220;blowhard&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t even know if you can respond back to that.  Its&#8217; one of those &#8220;so&#8217;s your face&#8221; comments that leave you speechless because of their idiotic immature nature.  Maybe you can call him a &#8220;gayrod&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/07/11/ramseys-cleared-denver-post-releases-the-truthers/comment-page-1/#comment-47190</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.denverpost.com/opinion/2008/07/11/anger-wont-clear-ramseys&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I got under Harsanyi&#039;s skin&lt;/a&gt;.

As I say in my comment there:&lt;blockquote&gt;I wish youâ€™d invested as much effort in acquainting yourself with the FACTS of the case as you do in launching personal shots at me. In fact, what Iâ€™d love would be if youâ€™d engage the substance of my indictment of your uninformed screed.

The funniest part is that you offer nothing but conspiracy theory and engage in all manner of &lt;i&gt;ad hominem&lt;/i&gt;, and then you accuse ME of conspiracy theory and &lt;i&gt;ad hominem&lt;/i&gt;. This must be what itâ€™s like arguing with Karl Rove. If pointing out that DNA evidence isnâ€™t conspiracy theory and calling you out for ignoring actual evidence in one spot and pretending thereâ€™s evidence where none exists makes me a â€œfringe blowhard,â€ then I guess I need to add the term to my business card.

That you additionally invoke Westword is even more entertaining. Once upon a time they were the only credible source of journalism in this town. They were getting it right on Columbine, for instance, while your employer was intentionally - by its own admission, once Salon caught it with its pants down, by the way - lying about the Cassie Bernall story. Once Westword was great, but now, sadly, theyâ€™re the Enquirer. A little better than you, but not enough to haggle over. They now never miss a chance to slur Tracey or anyone else who dares address the evidence of the case, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/11/cu-karson-ramsey-westword/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;regardless of whether the story theyâ€™re allegedly covering has anything to do with the Ramseys or not&lt;/a&gt;.

As for you, well, all I ask is this. I encourage your readers to re-read your column. Then Iâ€™d have them read my post.

Thereâ€™s no question that Iâ€™m angry - so on this count I plead guilty - and I doubtless have a bad attitude. But in my defense I have to note that bad journalism has that effect on me, and when a guy lucky enough to have your platform uses it to make his readers dumber, well, forgive my pique.

In any case, you say nothing here - and I donâ€™t expect you ever will - that calls for further elaboration on my part. As I say in the article, there are facts in the case, there is EVIDENCE, and your â€œanalysisâ€ makes clear that you have no acquaintance with or interest in either.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Do I expect Harsanyi to engage the hard evidence? What do you think?

I am keeping a list, though. I expect this case to be solved some day. If I am wrong and one of the Ramseys was, in fact, involved, I will apologize to him in as public a forum as I have today indicted him.

If we find the killer and it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; a family member? Yeah, then I&#039;ll be inviting him to S&amp;R for a guest piece where he can apologize to the family, to Dr. Tracey, to me, and to every reader whose IQ his brand of anti-journalism has lowered.

UPDATE: Hmmm. My comment over there isn&#039;t showing up. If it&#039;s awaiting moderation there&#039;s nothing that tells me this. Could he have deleted it?

Maybe it will show up. Or maybe he&#039;ll decide that things work better for him in a one-way legacy media world where you can control the entirety of what people get to see.

Ironically, that message control thing is part of why we&#039;re all in this mess, huh?

Stay tuned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like <a href="http://blogs.denverpost.com/opinion/2008/07/11/anger-wont-clear-ramseys" rel="nofollow">I got under Harsanyi&#8217;s skin</a>.</p>
<p>As I say in my comment there:<br />
<blockquote>I wish youâ€™d invested as much effort in acquainting yourself with the FACTS of the case as you do in launching personal shots at me. In fact, what Iâ€™d love would be if youâ€™d engage the substance of my indictment of your uninformed screed.</p>
<p>The funniest part is that you offer nothing but conspiracy theory and engage in all manner of <i>ad hominem</i>, and then you accuse ME of conspiracy theory and <i>ad hominem</i>. This must be what itâ€™s like arguing with Karl Rove. If pointing out that DNA evidence isnâ€™t conspiracy theory and calling you out for ignoring actual evidence in one spot and pretending thereâ€™s evidence where none exists makes me a â€œfringe blowhard,â€ then I guess I need to add the term to my business card.</p>
<p>That you additionally invoke Westword is even more entertaining. Once upon a time they were the only credible source of journalism in this town. They were getting it right on Columbine, for instance, while your employer was intentionally &#8211; by its own admission, once Salon caught it with its pants down, by the way &#8211; lying about the Cassie Bernall story. Once Westword was great, but now, sadly, theyâ€™re the Enquirer. A little better than you, but not enough to haggle over. They now never miss a chance to slur Tracey or anyone else who dares address the evidence of the case, <a href="http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/04/11/cu-karson-ramsey-westword/" rel="nofollow">regardless of whether the story theyâ€™re allegedly covering has anything to do with the Ramseys or not</a>.</p>
<p>As for you, well, all I ask is this. I encourage your readers to re-read your column. Then Iâ€™d have them read my post.</p>
<p>Thereâ€™s no question that Iâ€™m angry &#8211; so on this count I plead guilty &#8211; and I doubtless have a bad attitude. But in my defense I have to note that bad journalism has that effect on me, and when a guy lucky enough to have your platform uses it to make his readers dumber, well, forgive my pique.</p>
<p>In any case, you say nothing here &#8211; and I donâ€™t expect you ever will &#8211; that calls for further elaboration on my part. As I say in the article, there are facts in the case, there is EVIDENCE, and your â€œanalysisâ€ makes clear that you have no acquaintance with or interest in either.</p></blockquote>
<p>Do I expect Harsanyi to engage the hard evidence? What do you think?</p>
<p>I am keeping a list, though. I expect this case to be solved some day. If I am wrong and one of the Ramseys was, in fact, involved, I will apologize to him in as public a forum as I have today indicted him.</p>
<p>If we find the killer and it&#8217;s <i>not</i> a family member? Yeah, then I&#8217;ll be inviting him to S&#038;R for a guest piece where he can apologize to the family, to Dr. Tracey, to me, and to every reader whose IQ his brand of anti-journalism has lowered.</p>
<p>UPDATE: Hmmm. My comment over there isn&#8217;t showing up. If it&#8217;s awaiting moderation there&#8217;s nothing that tells me this. Could he have deleted it?</p>
<p>Maybe it will show up. Or maybe he&#8217;ll decide that things work better for him in a one-way legacy media world where you can control the entirety of what people get to see.</p>
<p>Ironically, that message control thing is part of why we&#8217;re all in this mess, huh?</p>
<p>Stay tuned.</p>
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		<title>By: vladimir_dt</title>
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		<dc:creator>vladimir_dt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely said, hopefully you will inspire some actual creative cogitation on the source material vs the infotainment material.  

Not that I expect it tho, people seem stubbornly determined to remain stupid for all intents and purposes.  &quot;never underestimate the power of human stupidity.&quot; Lazarus Long, in Time Enough for Love, RA Heinlein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely said, hopefully you will inspire some actual creative cogitation on the source material vs the infotainment material.  </p>
<p>Not that I expect it tho, people seem stubbornly determined to remain stupid for all intents and purposes.  &#8220;never underestimate the power of human stupidity.&#8221; Lazarus Long, in Time Enough for Love, RA Heinlein.</p>
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		<title>By: www.buzzflash.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.buzzflash.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ramseys cleared; Denver Post releases the truthers...&lt;/strong&gt;

I emphasize the word â€œevidenceâ€ for a reason. There are FACTS in the Ramsey case, and pretty much without exception those who are convinced of the familyâ€™s guilt are people who are relying not on evidence, but on media reports that run the gamut ...</description>
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<p>I emphasize the word â€œevidenceâ€ for a reason. There are FACTS in the Ramsey case, and pretty much without exception those who are convinced of the familyâ€™s guilt are people who are relying not on evidence, but on media reports that run the gamut &#8230;</p>
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