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		<title>By: fikshun</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/07/29/tunesday-everybody-sounds-better-on-the-record/comment-page-1/#comment-50208</link>
		<dc:creator>fikshun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay.  Maybe not so great timing.  ;)  After watching this thread, I can&#039;t help but think I would have been better served by going total digital distribution.  If we hadn&#039;t pressed discs, that could have left a lot of money for merchandise.

And to answer your question, Mike, yes, merchandising is where it&#039;s at.  Didn&#039;t you see Spaceballs?  It&#039;s particularly effective for &quot;established&quot; bands (read: bands whose primary demographic is in the 30-40-something set).  I last saw The Church in 2006.  I took an extra $80 with me, knowing very well I would be parted with all of that money by the end of the evening.  If the band can establish that these items are &quot;tour only&quot; and not something you could get online, you&#039;ll buy it.  If they play again within 100 miles of me this year, I&#039;ll do it all again.  I&#039;ve only been through this routine with them eight or nine times.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay.  Maybe not so great timing.  <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   After watching this thread, I can&#8217;t help but think I would have been better served by going total digital distribution.  If we hadn&#8217;t pressed discs, that could have left a lot of money for merchandise.</p>
<p>And to answer your question, Mike, yes, merchandising is where it&#8217;s at.  Didn&#8217;t you see Spaceballs?  It&#8217;s particularly effective for &#8220;established&#8221; bands (read: bands whose primary demographic is in the 30-40-something set).  I last saw The Church in 2006.  I took an extra $80 with me, knowing very well I would be parted with all of that money by the end of the evening.  If the band can establish that these items are &#8220;tour only&#8221; and not something you could get online, you&#8217;ll buy it.  If they play again within 100 miles of me this year, I&#8217;ll do it all again.  I&#8217;ve only been through this routine with them eight or nine times.  <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ubertramp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubertramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I almost asked if you&#039;d have more luck with Tshirts and stuff.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I almost asked if you&#8217;d have more luck with Tshirts and stuff.  <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim Booth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

I don&#039;t think we&#039;ll sell many cd&#039;s.  But we&#039;ll add t-shrts and bumper stickers, and they&#039;ll move a little better.

It seems to be about bling at this point. Since they can find your music for free, you get them to buy stuff that&#039;ll advertise your brand for you. You may have noticed that Ralph Lauren has perfected this model....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ll sell many cd&#8217;s.  But we&#8217;ll add t-shrts and bumper stickers, and they&#8217;ll move a little better.</p>
<p>It seems to be about bling at this point. Since they can find your music for free, you get them to buy stuff that&#8217;ll advertise your brand for you. You may have noticed that Ralph Lauren has perfected this model&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubertramp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubertramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fikshun, I think I have a meeting in Keystone next year.  Will that beat you?  :)  I might just spend an extra week there and force Slammy to take me to a few concerts.  Haha.

JB, do people really buy CDs much at the live shows?  It&#039;s been a while since I&#039;ve been to a live show (9+ years, actually), but from what I remember, there didn&#039;t seem to be a whole lot of activity whenever the artists mentioned the stuff they were selling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fikshun, I think I have a meeting in Keystone next year.  Will that beat you?  <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I might just spend an extra week there and force Slammy to take me to a few concerts.  Haha.</p>
<p>JB, do people really buy CDs much at the live shows?  It&#8217;s been a while since I&#8217;ve been to a live show (9+ years, actually), but from what I remember, there didn&#8217;t seem to be a whole lot of activity whenever the artists mentioned the stuff they were selling.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Booth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fikshun,

I hear you, brother. We come from a time in the misty past when you played LOTS of live shows before you ever recorded. Now we&#039;re having  to record so we&#039;ll have &quot;product&quot; to sell at our live shows and stuff to post on #$#@# MySpace so people will know the tunes and come to the shows to hear them. 

It&#039;s a brave new world for relics like us...

But we don&#039;t have to play so many  $#@# covers, so there&#039;s that....  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fikshun,</p>
<p>I hear you, brother. We come from a time in the misty past when you played LOTS of live shows before you ever recorded. Now we&#8217;re having  to record so we&#8217;ll have &#8220;product&#8221; to sell at our live shows and stuff to post on #$#@# MySpace so people will know the tunes and come to the shows to hear them. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a brave new world for relics like us&#8230;</p>
<p>But we don&#8217;t have to play so many  $#@# covers, so there&#8217;s that&#8230;.  <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: fikshun</title>
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		<dc:creator>fikshun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ubertramp!

Yes, Slammy was indeed involved on this one again.  I haven&#039;t seen us live in ages, either.  Our show next weekend (in Tampa) will be our first in almost five years.  I need to move back to Denver as well.  Perhaps we should have a (very slow) race?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ubertramp!</p>
<p>Yes, Slammy was indeed involved on this one again.  I haven&#8217;t seen us live in ages, either.  Our show next weekend (in Tampa) will be our first in almost five years.  I need to move back to Denver as well.  Perhaps we should have a (very slow) race?</p>
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		<title>By: Ubertramp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubertramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fikshun, Woot!  Did you collaborate with Slammy on this one?  I haven&#039;t seen you guys live in ages.  Bah.  I need to move back to Denver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fikshun, Woot!  Did you collaborate with Slammy on this one?  I haven&#8217;t seen you guys live in ages.  Bah.  I need to move back to Denver.</p>
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		<title>By: fikshun</title>
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		<dc:creator>fikshun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great timing.  My band just finished an album last month.  As we&#039;re gearing up to play some live dates, I was sitting in my studio last night, listening to tracks off the new disc.  The madness that goes into recording an album is such that I often forget what exactly I was doing on those recordings, performance-wise.

It&#039;s interesting how recordings have gone from being a side-effect of playing live to being the purpose of playing live ... at least economically.  

No one likes being tricked into seeing a film that isn&#039;t as interesting as its trailer.  Likewise, no music fan enjoys an album that doesn&#039;t somewhat reflect the concert experience they had last night.

It&#039;s a delicate balance.  You have to explore the medium of the live show while remaining somewhat true to the recording.  The cart is firmly before the horse.  Maybe &lt;i&gt;that&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; why the industry is dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great timing.  My band just finished an album last month.  As we&#8217;re gearing up to play some live dates, I was sitting in my studio last night, listening to tracks off the new disc.  The madness that goes into recording an album is such that I often forget what exactly I was doing on those recordings, performance-wise.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting how recordings have gone from being a side-effect of playing live to being the purpose of playing live &#8230; at least economically.  </p>
<p>No one likes being tricked into seeing a film that isn&#8217;t as interesting as its trailer.  Likewise, no music fan enjoys an album that doesn&#8217;t somewhat reflect the concert experience they had last night.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a delicate balance.  You have to explore the medium of the live show while remaining somewhat true to the recording.  The cart is firmly before the horse.  Maybe <i>that&#8217;s</i> why the industry is dead.</p>
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		<title>By: Euphrosyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Euphrosyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyle Lovett sounds even better live... and I&#039;ll be seeing him for the ninth or tenth time next month. Yep. I love him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyle Lovett sounds even better live&#8230; and I&#8217;ll be seeing him for the ninth or tenth time next month. Yep. I love him.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, STE had the sense to realize that they&#039;d be in trouble if they tried to recreate the live thing in the studio. So they accepted the differences in the two.

PG is pretty close in both, though - he has massive amounts of tech to make sure of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, STE had the sense to realize that they&#8217;d be in trouble if they tried to recreate the live thing in the studio. So they accepted the differences in the two.</p>
<p>PG is pretty close in both, though &#8211; he has massive amounts of tech to make sure of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubertramp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubertramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some groups, it&#039;s like two different acts.  Space Team Electra live vs. recorded, for instance.  And some just sound better in studio.  Like, I&#039;m guessing, Peter Gabriel&#039;s later stuff (although, admittedly, I&#039;ve never seen him live).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some groups, it&#8217;s like two different acts.  Space Team Electra live vs. recorded, for instance.  And some just sound better in studio.  Like, I&#8217;m guessing, Peter Gabriel&#8217;s later stuff (although, admittedly, I&#8217;ve never seen him live).</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking the other day about the relationship of live to recorded music. In the beginning, there was nothing BUT live music, of course. And when recording came along, it was used to capture the live experience. But then things evolved and the studio somehow became the venue of record - at that point, instead of getting the recording to hear a copy of the original, we started going to the live show to hear a performance of the original. I feel my inner Baudrillard beginning to stirâ€¦

Today there are bands - not many, but a few - that are better live. The studio canâ€™t capture the authenticity of the performance. Jason &amp; the Scorchers were like that, and Graham Parker is damned sure like that.

Itâ€™s rarer and rarer, though. Weâ€™re using tech to perfect the reality out of the music, and that canâ€™t help but have some effect over time, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking the other day about the relationship of live to recorded music. In the beginning, there was nothing BUT live music, of course. And when recording came along, it was used to capture the live experience. But then things evolved and the studio somehow became the venue of record &#8211; at that point, instead of getting the recording to hear a copy of the original, we started going to the live show to hear a performance of the original. I feel my inner Baudrillard beginning to stirâ€¦</p>
<p>Today there are bands &#8211; not many, but a few &#8211; that are better live. The studio canâ€™t capture the authenticity of the performance. Jason &#038; the Scorchers were like that, and Graham Parker is damned sure like that.</p>
<p>Itâ€™s rarer and rarer, though. Weâ€™re using tech to perfect the reality out of the music, and that canâ€™t help but have some effect over time, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Ubertramp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubertramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a song by Rick Springfield (yes, THAT Rick Springfield) off of 2004&#039;s &quot;Shock/Denial/Anger/Acceptance&quot; that plays with this.  Its the first track, &quot;Perfect&quot;.  At first I wasn&#039;t sure what was going on because he was singing off time, &quot;It&#039;s not enough, it&#039;s not enough...&quot;  and then he does it several more times throughout the song.  I&#039;m positive he&#039;s doing it on purpose and it fits what he&#039;s doing with the lyrics.  At first, it was kind annoying.  But the more I listen to it, the more I like it.  It&#039;s just clever, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a song by Rick Springfield (yes, THAT Rick Springfield) off of 2004&#8242;s &#8220;Shock/Denial/Anger/Acceptance&#8221; that plays with this.  Its the first track, &#8220;Perfect&#8221;.  At first I wasn&#8217;t sure what was going on because he was singing off time, &#8220;It&#8217;s not enough, it&#8217;s not enough&#8230;&#8221;  and then he does it several more times throughout the song.  I&#8217;m positive he&#8217;s doing it on purpose and it fits what he&#8217;s doing with the lyrics.  At first, it was kind annoying.  But the more I listen to it, the more I like it.  It&#8217;s just clever, I guess.</p>
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