<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: WordsDay: the hegemony of poetry and lyrics</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/11/wordsday-the-hegemony-of-poetry-and-lyrics/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/11/wordsday-the-hegemony-of-poetry-and-lyrics/</link>
	<description>Think - it ain&#039;t illegal yet...</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:32:11 -0700</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/11/wordsday-the-hegemony-of-poetry-and-lyrics/comment-page-1/#comment-59918</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=3911#comment-59918</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m glad you like Morrison. But I wish you&#039;d also read some real poets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you like Morrison. But I wish you&#8217;d also read some real poets.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/11/wordsday-the-hegemony-of-poetry-and-lyrics/comment-page-1/#comment-59916</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=3911#comment-59916</guid>
		<description>Sure Lennon, Dylan, and Springsteen are great.
But Id like to think why you think Jim Morrison is not a poet.
His work is so insightful and deep.
He is THE Great American Poet.
You dont know what your talking about.
Jim Morrison is a legend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure Lennon, Dylan, and Springsteen are great.<br />
But Id like to think why you think Jim Morrison is not a poet.<br />
His work is so insightful and deep.<br />
He is THE Great American Poet.<br />
You dont know what your talking about.<br />
Jim Morrison is a legend.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; WordsDay: The hegemony of poetry vs. lyrics, part 2</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/11/wordsday-the-hegemony-of-poetry-and-lyrics/comment-page-1/#comment-53670</link>
		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; WordsDay: The hegemony of poetry vs. lyrics, part 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=3911#comment-53670</guid>
		<description>[...] music, poetry, popular culture, society [ Comments: none ]    A couple weeks I go I offered up part one a series on poetry vs. lyrics, noting from firsthand experience the differences between the two. In brief, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] music, poetry, popular culture, society [ Comments: none ]    A couple weeks I go I offered up part one a series on poetry vs. lyrics, noting from firsthand experience the differences between the two. In brief, [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ann Ivins</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/11/wordsday-the-hegemony-of-poetry-and-lyrics/comment-page-1/#comment-52823</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Ivins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=3911#comment-52823</guid>
		<description>Oh, Michael. That&#039;s my favorite Peter Gabriel song - probably because it&#039;s such a good, respectful but personal adaptation of the poem, which is also one of my favorites...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Michael. That&#8217;s my favorite Peter Gabriel song &#8211; probably because it&#8217;s such a good, respectful but personal adaptation of the poem, which is also one of my favorites&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: fikshun</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/11/wordsday-the-hegemony-of-poetry-and-lyrics/comment-page-1/#comment-52820</link>
		<dc:creator>fikshun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=3911#comment-52820</guid>
		<description>ah cool.  now i know what that song means.  ;)

Songs are marriages of two different media.  Like with any other relationship, the quality of the individuals (music, rhythm, and lyric) and the quality of their union go a long way to determining one&#039;s reaction to the finished song.

You and I have collaborated on a couple of songs now; doing so in different ways each time out.  With this one, you wrote your lyrics to accompany the music after it was fleshed out.  With &quot;Winter Rain&quot;, you wrote to a song that I had not heard and I then wrote music around the lyrics, uncolored by what had inspired your meter.  In both songs, the poetry became lyric out of a slavery to rhythm and structure, though I think the lyrics in &quot;Winter Rain&quot; stayed truer to the initial poetry because you sought out a song that fit better with the tone of what you were feeling and I then had to lock onto some quality of your meter.  Likewise, the music in &quot;Winter Rain&quot; was nothing that I would normally write since it needed to play off of words and a feeling that weren&#039;t mine.

Although exceptions are surely out there, my personal feeling is that good poetry, unaltered, invariably makes bad song.  Melody, rhythm, and word need to play off each other in a balance, the same way that musicians take turns soloing in a freeform piece.  None of the three can storm along, ignorant of the other, without ruining the final product.

Thank you for posting this.  I&#039;ve learned a bit about the nature and nurture of collaboration in reading it.  It seems to be the lesson I&#039;m supposed to learn right now.  There&#039;s a temporal aspect that I&#039;d previously ignored.  Songs have to live in the moment, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah cool.  now i know what that song means.  <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Songs are marriages of two different media.  Like with any other relationship, the quality of the individuals (music, rhythm, and lyric) and the quality of their union go a long way to determining one&#8217;s reaction to the finished song.</p>
<p>You and I have collaborated on a couple of songs now; doing so in different ways each time out.  With this one, you wrote your lyrics to accompany the music after it was fleshed out.  With &#8220;Winter Rain&#8221;, you wrote to a song that I had not heard and I then wrote music around the lyrics, uncolored by what had inspired your meter.  In both songs, the poetry became lyric out of a slavery to rhythm and structure, though I think the lyrics in &#8220;Winter Rain&#8221; stayed truer to the initial poetry because you sought out a song that fit better with the tone of what you were feeling and I then had to lock onto some quality of your meter.  Likewise, the music in &#8220;Winter Rain&#8221; was nothing that I would normally write since it needed to play off of words and a feeling that weren&#8217;t mine.</p>
<p>Although exceptions are surely out there, my personal feeling is that good poetry, unaltered, invariably makes bad song.  Melody, rhythm, and word need to play off each other in a balance, the same way that musicians take turns soloing in a freeform piece.  None of the three can storm along, ignorant of the other, without ruining the final product.</p>
<p>Thank you for posting this.  I&#8217;ve learned a bit about the nature and nurture of collaboration in reading it.  It seems to be the lesson I&#8217;m supposed to learn right now.  There&#8217;s a temporal aspect that I&#8217;d previously ignored.  Songs have to live in the moment, too.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ubertramp</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/11/wordsday-the-hegemony-of-poetry-and-lyrics/comment-page-1/#comment-52815</link>
		<dc:creator>Ubertramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=3911#comment-52815</guid>
		<description>I thought Peter Gabriel&#039;s version of Anne Sexton&#039;s Mercy St worked out well.  But there are HUGE differences between song and poem.  Ditto with Loreena McKinnet&#039;s version of Yeat&#039;s Two Trees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Peter Gabriel&#8217;s version of Anne Sexton&#8217;s Mercy St worked out well.  But there are HUGE differences between song and poem.  Ditto with Loreena McKinnet&#8217;s version of Yeat&#8217;s Two Trees.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: JS OBrien</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/11/wordsday-the-hegemony-of-poetry-and-lyrics/comment-page-1/#comment-52807</link>
		<dc:creator>JS OBrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=3911#comment-52807</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Simon though the difference was that a poet was free to choose the exact words and never bend them, while a songwriter needed to bend or break the poetry to make it work as a song.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Take THAT, Homer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Simon though the difference was that a poet was free to choose the exact words and never bend them, while a songwriter needed to bend or break the poetry to make it work as a song.</p></blockquote>
<p>Take THAT, Homer!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/11/wordsday-the-hegemony-of-poetry-and-lyrics/comment-page-1/#comment-52800</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=3911#comment-52800</guid>
		<description>I remember hearing an interview with Paul Simon about the poetry of his lyrics, and he said he wasn&#039;t a poet, but rather a songwriter.  Simon though the difference was that a poet was free to choose the exact words and never bend them, while a songwriter needed to bend or break the poetry to make it work as a song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember hearing an interview with Paul Simon about the poetry of his lyrics, and he said he wasn&#8217;t a poet, but rather a songwriter.  Simon though the difference was that a poet was free to choose the exact words and never bend them, while a songwriter needed to bend or break the poetry to make it work as a song.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ann Ivins</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/11/wordsday-the-hegemony-of-poetry-and-lyrics/comment-page-1/#comment-52797</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Ivins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=3911#comment-52797</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;and Fish is probably the best at crafting lyrics that stand in their own right.&lt;/i&gt;

Nope. Joe Henry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>and Fish is probably the best at crafting lyrics that stand in their own right.</i></p>
<p>Nope. Joe Henry.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
