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		<title>By: Daytona News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daytona News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Daytona Beach we have a similar problem not only corruption is rampant but this is a one-newspaper town with the associated manipulations by a press controlled by a single individual. In the short few months we have been on the net, we have acquired over 15,000 readers evidencing the hunger of the local population for undistorted news. http://www.DaytonaPost.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Daytona Beach we have a similar problem not only corruption is rampant but this is a one-newspaper town with the associated manipulations by a press controlled by a single individual. In the short few months we have been on the net, we have acquired over 15,000 readers evidencing the hunger of the local population for undistorted news. <a href="http://www.DaytonaPost.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.DaytonaPost.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; Project Censored 2009: the stories your corporate news whores are ignoring</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/15/stop-lying-to-your-audiences-some-notes-on-the-faux-ethics-of-the-press/comment-page-1/#comment-53348</link>
		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; Project Censored 2009: the stories your corporate news whores are ignoring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Project Censored 2009: the stories your corporate news whores are ignoring Posted on September 25, 2008 by Dr. Slammy under 1st Amendment, business, censorship, journalism, media, politics [ Comments: none ]    If you have a pulse and an IQ of at least 70, you probably realize that our mainstream press sucks. The silly bitches at the networks (and way too many newspapers, as well) fall all over themselves address the pig/lipstick story. They treat the price of John Edwards&#8217; latest haircut like they would news that Lower Fuckwitistan just nuked Annandale (although they don&#8217;t seem nearly as concerned over John McCain&#8217;s $5K celebrity makeover). And their fair and balanced coverage can&#8217;t seem to distinguish between the truth and a bald-faced lie. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Project Censored 2009: the stories your corporate news whores are ignoring Posted on September 25, 2008 by Dr. Slammy under 1st Amendment, business, censorship, journalism, media, politics [ Comments: none ]    If you have a pulse and an IQ of at least 70, you probably realize that our mainstream press sucks. The silly bitches at the networks (and way too many newspapers, as well) fall all over themselves address the pig/lipstick story. They treat the price of John Edwards&#8217; latest haircut like they would news that Lower Fuckwitistan just nuked Annandale (although they don&#8217;t seem nearly as concerned over John McCain&#8217;s $5K celebrity makeover). And their fair and balanced coverage can&#8217;t seem to distinguish between the truth and a bald-faced lie. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Thorpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thorpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The shadow of a hair&#039;s
turning, premeditated for an untrue purpose, the slightest twisting or
perversion of that which is principle--these constitute falseness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shadow of a hair&#8217;s<br />
turning, premeditated for an untrue purpose, the slightest twisting or<br />
perversion of that which is principle&#8211;these constitute falseness.</p>
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		<title>By: john doraemi</title>
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		<dc:creator>john doraemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with this mild-mannered complaint strategy is that it ignores the obvious nature of corporate media as an instrument of propaganda -- fundamentally -- not some organ of truth telling that needs a little prodding.  

That is a myth which should be dispensed with completely.  I thought Chomsky/Herman already set the record straight in Manufacturing Consent?

The &quot;lies&quot; delved into above are trivial and mostly inconsequential compared to the massive propaganda efforts at promoting militarism, official enemies, and covering up what is arguably Treason at the highest levels.  Failure to competently investigate is the real sin, part of a larger program of mass mind control, the real reason for the current state of what they tell you is &quot;news.&quot;

From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=408&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pearl Harbor being a deliberate &quot;provocation&quot;&lt;/a&gt; and not a &quot;surprise attack&quot; at all, &lt;a href=&quot;http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/2007/02/no-george-monbiot-these-are-facts-of.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;up through 9/11,&lt;/a&gt; to the latest &lt;a href=&quot;http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/2008/09/more-false-flag-terrorism-in-germany.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CIA sponsored would-be terror attack exposed by German authorities the other day&lt;/a&gt;, Americans are perhaps the most ignorant people alive today.

Thanks to their gullibility, their national myths and their obliviousness.  All promoted by the corporate press of course.

Carry on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with this mild-mannered complaint strategy is that it ignores the obvious nature of corporate media as an instrument of propaganda &#8212; fundamentally &#8212; not some organ of truth telling that needs a little prodding.  </p>
<p>That is a myth which should be dispensed with completely.  I thought Chomsky/Herman already set the record straight in Manufacturing Consent?</p>
<p>The &#8220;lies&#8221; delved into above are trivial and mostly inconsequential compared to the massive propaganda efforts at promoting militarism, official enemies, and covering up what is arguably Treason at the highest levels.  Failure to competently investigate is the real sin, part of a larger program of mass mind control, the real reason for the current state of what they tell you is &#8220;news.&#8221;</p>
<p>From <a href="http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=408" rel="nofollow">Pearl Harbor being a deliberate &#8220;provocation&#8221;</a> and not a &#8220;surprise attack&#8221; at all, <a href="http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/2007/02/no-george-monbiot-these-are-facts-of.html" rel="nofollow">up through 9/11,</a> to the latest <a href="http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/2008/09/more-false-flag-terrorism-in-germany.html" rel="nofollow">CIA sponsored would-be terror attack exposed by German authorities the other day</a>, Americans are perhaps the most ignorant people alive today.</p>
<p>Thanks to their gullibility, their national myths and their obliviousness.  All promoted by the corporate press of course.</p>
<p>Carry on.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! They got caught up in &quot;false equality.&quot;  

Obviously you don&#039;t need to have someone from the Flat Earth Society on your show each time someone happens to mention that the world is round.  YET, that&#039;s what started happening, starting during Regan. 

They pushed the idea that there was a &quot;liberal bias&quot; to the news.  At the same time (remember money talks!) it APPEARED as though Fox &quot;News&quot; was garnering a large audience.  So, trembling with fear, they went for this false notion of balance and started giving equal time to liars and morons.  

&quot;The man can sit on the elephant, but the elephant should not sit on the man.&quot;  

They would say, &quot;because a man can sit on an elephant, it is only FAIR that the elephant gets to also sit on the man!&quot;

It&#039;s only fair...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! They got caught up in &#8220;false equality.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Obviously you don&#8217;t need to have someone from the Flat Earth Society on your show each time someone happens to mention that the world is round.  YET, that&#8217;s what started happening, starting during Regan. </p>
<p>They pushed the idea that there was a &#8220;liberal bias&#8221; to the news.  At the same time (remember money talks!) it APPEARED as though Fox &#8220;News&#8221; was garnering a large audience.  So, trembling with fear, they went for this false notion of balance and started giving equal time to liars and morons.  </p>
<p>&#8220;The man can sit on the elephant, but the elephant should not sit on the man.&#8221;  </p>
<p>They would say, &#8220;because a man can sit on an elephant, it is only FAIR that the elephant gets to also sit on the man!&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only fair&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bravo, well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bravo, well done.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff: there is a difference between reporting and commentary (at least, at this moment in our history; whether that&#039;s good or bad we can debate another day). I&#039;m not talking about the opinioneers here. Some of them are quite helpful. These are the ones who proceed from a foundation of facts and are guided by an ethos that privileges a good-faith search for truth over raw ideology.

It&#039;s true for ALL of us that our ideologies and our theories about the world sometimes come into conflict with facts and evidence that doesn&#039;t fit with our preconceived notions. When this happens, some people slam the square peg of the facts into the round hole of their dogma and clip merrily along as though black really were white. Others alter their theories to account for the new information.

I think you can guess which sort I prefer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff: there is a difference between reporting and commentary (at least, at this moment in our history; whether that&#8217;s good or bad we can debate another day). I&#8217;m not talking about the opinioneers here. Some of them are quite helpful. These are the ones who proceed from a foundation of facts and are guided by an ethos that privileges a good-faith search for truth over raw ideology.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true for ALL of us that our ideologies and our theories about the world sometimes come into conflict with facts and evidence that doesn&#8217;t fit with our preconceived notions. When this happens, some people slam the square peg of the facts into the round hole of their dogma and clip merrily along as though black really were white. Others alter their theories to account for the new information.</p>
<p>I think you can guess which sort I prefer.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A poignant rant of Slammtastic proportions!

And &quot;asshaberdashery&quot; is my new favorite word...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A poignant rant of Slammtastic proportions!</p>
<p>And &#8220;asshaberdashery&#8221; is my new favorite word&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Slammy,

What is your opinion of media guys that inject editorial content and invective into their newscasts? I&#039;m referring to guys like Matthews and Olbermann, and a bunch of guys on the right side of the aisle.

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Slammy,</p>
<p>What is your opinion of media guys that inject editorial content and invective into their newscasts? I&#8217;m referring to guys like Matthews and Olbermann, and a bunch of guys on the right side of the aisle.</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fritz, I don&#039;t think I suggest anywhere above that reporters substitute their judgment for facts. If there&#039;s a question of judgment, or fuzzy interpretation, or legitimate doubt, then that&#039;s one thing.

What I&#039;m talking about is when a candidate LIES. Like saying &quot;I voted against bill X&quot; when the record shows, in black and white, that he did the precise opposite.

You know, things like that. If they can get the obvious stuff right I&#039;ll deal with the gray areas on my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fritz, I don&#8217;t think I suggest anywhere above that reporters substitute their judgment for facts. If there&#8217;s a question of judgment, or fuzzy interpretation, or legitimate doubt, then that&#8217;s one thing.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m talking about is when a candidate LIES. Like saying &#8220;I voted against bill X&#8221; when the record shows, in black and white, that he did the precise opposite.</p>
<p>You know, things like that. If they can get the obvious stuff right I&#8217;ll deal with the gray areas on my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone&#039;s entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.  Facts may be misunderstood, but there is only ever a single set of facts.  Any claim that is demonstrably false according to the facts is a lie.

If a reporter fails to research a claim sufficiently to report on the factual basis of a claim, then either a) the report shouldn&#039;t be run in the first place or b) the report shouldn&#039;t be run in the first place.  If the facts are researched to be one thing and are later found to have been misunderstood, then a correction must be run.  How bad the factual misunderstanding was determines how big the correction must be.

Seem&#039;s pretty simple to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone&#8217;s entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.  Facts may be misunderstood, but there is only ever a single set of facts.  Any claim that is demonstrably false according to the facts is a lie.</p>
<p>If a reporter fails to research a claim sufficiently to report on the factual basis of a claim, then either a) the report shouldn&#8217;t be run in the first place or b) the report shouldn&#8217;t be run in the first place.  If the facts are researched to be one thing and are later found to have been misunderstood, then a correction must be run.  How bad the factual misunderstanding was determines how big the correction must be.</p>
<p>Seem&#8217;s pretty simple to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Fritz Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fritz Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, who gets to decide who is lying? The reporters themselves?

It&#039;s already being done. This is exactly reason the media is pathetic today.  The reporters insert their own value judgments into the stories they  write. I&#039;d much rather be told the facts of the case and let me draw my own conclusions.  However, there are very few news outlets or reporters that do that anymore.

As a general rule-of-thumb I always assume that it&#039;s the MEDIA that is lying.  It&#039;s been my experience that the media delivers more lies than politicians -- and politicians lie all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, who gets to decide who is lying? The reporters themselves?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s already being done. This is exactly reason the media is pathetic today.  The reporters insert their own value judgments into the stories they  write. I&#8217;d much rather be told the facts of the case and let me draw my own conclusions.  However, there are very few news outlets or reporters that do that anymore.</p>
<p>As a general rule-of-thumb I always assume that it&#8217;s the MEDIA that is lying.  It&#8217;s been my experience that the media delivers more lies than politicians &#8212; and politicians lie all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Slammy,

Great post.

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Slammy,</p>
<p>Great post.</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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