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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Ad&#8217;ing insult to injury</title>
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		<title>By: Djerrid</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/26/ading-insult-to-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-53432</link>
		<dc:creator>Djerrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darren: Regarding the demographics of the independents that were polled, here&#039;s what the people who conducted the study said about it:

&quot;During and after the debate, Democracy Corps conducted a set of dial and focus groups among 45 undecided voters in St. Louis, Missouri. These voters had an unmistakably Republican tilt, voting for President Bush by a 2-to-1 margin in 2004 and self-identifying as 33 percent Republican and 27 percent Democrat. But playing on his perceived strength of national security and before a friendly audience, McCain could only manage a draw among this group. Of our 45 initial undecided voters, a quarter moved to Obama and a quarter to McCain after the debate with the rest remaining undecided. Moreover, by a 38 to 27 percent margin these voters said that Obama won this debate.&quot;
http://www.democracycorps.com/focus/2008/09/first-presidential-debate-obama-makes-important-personal-and-national-security-gains/

To me it looked to be more of a draw than anything on international policy, which works to Obama&#039;s favor in the end since he already has a steady lead in the polls; all he has to do is maintain it, show his competence and not slip up. On the economic issues, McCain looked shaky and it took him until they were rolling in foreign policy details for him to get a head of steam. He actually looked revitalized and not as old and frail as he did in the beginning. But the problem for him is that this was his strong suit. If Grampa McCain comes out for the next two debates instead of Commander McCain that we saw at the end of the last one, it will be very difficult for him to gain ground on Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darren: Regarding the demographics of the independents that were polled, here&#8217;s what the people who conducted the study said about it:</p>
<p>&#8220;During and after the debate, Democracy Corps conducted a set of dial and focus groups among 45 undecided voters in St. Louis, Missouri. These voters had an unmistakably Republican tilt, voting for President Bush by a 2-to-1 margin in 2004 and self-identifying as 33 percent Republican and 27 percent Democrat. But playing on his perceived strength of national security and before a friendly audience, McCain could only manage a draw among this group. Of our 45 initial undecided voters, a quarter moved to Obama and a quarter to McCain after the debate with the rest remaining undecided. Moreover, by a 38 to 27 percent margin these voters said that Obama won this debate.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.democracycorps.com/focus/2008/09/first-presidential-debate-obama-makes-important-personal-and-national-security-gains/" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracycorps.com/focus/2008/09/first-presidential-debate-obama-makes-important-personal-and-national-security-gains/</a></p>
<p>To me it looked to be more of a draw than anything on international policy, which works to Obama&#8217;s favor in the end since he already has a steady lead in the polls; all he has to do is maintain it, show his competence and not slip up. On the economic issues, McCain looked shaky and it took him until they were rolling in foreign policy details for him to get a head of steam. He actually looked revitalized and not as old and frail as he did in the beginning. But the problem for him is that this was his strong suit. If Grampa McCain comes out for the next two debates instead of Commander McCain that we saw at the end of the last one, it will be very difficult for him to gain ground on Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/26/ading-insult-to-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-53428</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slammy - we know nothing about the demographics of the independents (and whether the samples are skewed).  But more importantly, how can Obama criticize McCain on the war when Biden voted for it -- and in fact, Biden was very critical of Obama for opposing the war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slammy &#8211; we know nothing about the demographics of the independents (and whether the samples are skewed).  But more importantly, how can Obama criticize McCain on the war when Biden voted for it &#8212; and in fact, Biden was very critical of Obama for opposing the war.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/26/ading-insult-to-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-53424</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polls of independents seem to be showing that they think Obama won. And since Obama has &quot;no experience&quot; (compared with McCain&#039;s &quot;ample experience,&quot; mostly at getting us into shit like Iraq), even a tie = an Obama win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polls of independents seem to be showing that they think Obama won. And since Obama has &#8220;no experience&#8221; (compared with McCain&#8217;s &#8220;ample experience,&#8221; mostly at getting us into shit like Iraq), even a tie = an Obama win.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/26/ading-insult-to-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-53422</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I&#039;m a progressive, I do think McCain won the debate.  The ad was in poor taste, but he stil won.  Democrats keep assessing presidential debate in the same terms that we used to assess the performances of Kerry and Gore (e.g., they were smarter, more nuanced, etc).   We have to remember that we keep losing under these standards.  Connecting with the &quot;average&quot; voter -- really, the average undecided voter -- is the most important factor.  Which candidate pulled that off? 

http://dissentingjustice.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I&#8217;m a progressive, I do think McCain won the debate.  The ad was in poor taste, but he stil won.  Democrats keep assessing presidential debate in the same terms that we used to assess the performances of Kerry and Gore (e.g., they were smarter, more nuanced, etc).   We have to remember that we keep losing under these standards.  Connecting with the &#8220;average&#8221; voter &#8212; really, the average undecided voter &#8212; is the most important factor.  Which candidate pulled that off? </p>
<p><a href="http://dissentingjustice.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://dissentingjustice.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: slag</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/26/ading-insult-to-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-53410</link>
		<dc:creator>slag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a good thing McCain isn&#039;t a better presidential candidate.  Cuz if he were, that ad would be considered presumptuous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a good thing McCain isn&#8217;t a better presidential candidate.  Cuz if he were, that ad would be considered presumptuous.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny Drama?  I kind of like that nick name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny Drama?  I kind of like that nick name.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/26/ading-insult-to-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-53398</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then there&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2008/09/suspension-suspended.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2008/09/suspension-suspended.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Mh1TZAM-AWU/SN0-JhMfO4I/AAAAAAAABTc/6ICB-A4wUNI/s400/impulseman1.png&quot; border=1 title=&quot;&quot; &gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then there&#8217;s <a href="http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2008/09/suspension-suspended.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>:</p>
<p><a href="http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2008/09/suspension-suspended.html" rel="nofollow">
<div style="text-align: center;"><img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Mh1TZAM-AWU/SN0-JhMfO4I/AAAAAAAABTc/6ICB-A4wUNI/s400/impulseman1.png" border=1 title="" /></div>
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		<title>By: fikshun</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/26/ading-insult-to-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-53397</link>
		<dc:creator>fikshun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I guess this is proof that McCain&#039;s campaign is officially unsuspended.  I would have expected an announcement or something.  Silly me.

As for declaring victory, man, this guy declares victory faster than Bush declares &quot;mission accomplished!&quot;  That&#039;s my kind of leadership!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I guess this is proof that McCain&#8217;s campaign is officially unsuspended.  I would have expected an announcement or something.  Silly me.</p>
<p>As for declaring victory, man, this guy declares victory faster than Bush declares &#8220;mission accomplished!&#8221;  That&#8217;s my kind of leadership!</p>
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		<title>By: Djerrid</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/26/ading-insult-to-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-53394</link>
		<dc:creator>Djerrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, brake out the popcorn; it should be fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, brake out the popcorn; it should be fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/26/ading-insult-to-injury/comment-page-1/#comment-53393</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank the gods for my TiVo - I&#039;ll be able to watch the debate on roughly a half-hour delay after I get the kids to bed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank the gods for my TiVo &#8211; I&#8217;ll be able to watch the debate on roughly a half-hour delay after I get the kids to bed.</p>
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