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		<title>By: Lex</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/27/science-debate-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-53466</link>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about &quot;keeping America in the lead&quot; being the wrong agenda. And in any case, it often backfires. We&#039;ve been in the lead as regards to space technology for a long, long time. But our attempt to stay in the lead is actually causing us to be left behind. The most mundane parts and tools are kept on a &quot;do not export&quot; list held by the Department of State. Because companies (or research agencies) must part a red sea of tape meant to keep America in the lead, they&#039;ve taken a different approach. The latest move in satellite/space technology is designing systems that use zero American parts.

The law of unintended consequences strikes again.

And the questions posed above are not &quot;American&quot; questions, they are world questions. Furthermore, in a globalized society the whole idea of leading may well be outmoded. That does not mean that the US cannot/should not display leadership. Leading and winning are not the same things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about &#8220;keeping America in the lead&#8221; being the wrong agenda. And in any case, it often backfires. We&#8217;ve been in the lead as regards to space technology for a long, long time. But our attempt to stay in the lead is actually causing us to be left behind. The most mundane parts and tools are kept on a &#8220;do not export&#8221; list held by the Department of State. Because companies (or research agencies) must part a red sea of tape meant to keep America in the lead, they&#8217;ve taken a different approach. The latest move in satellite/space technology is designing systems that use zero American parts.</p>
<p>The law of unintended consequences strikes again.</p>
<p>And the questions posed above are not &#8220;American&#8221; questions, they are world questions. Furthermore, in a globalized society the whole idea of leading may well be outmoded. That does not mean that the US cannot/should not display leadership. Leading and winning are not the same things.</p>
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		<title>By: Howdy</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/27/science-debate-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-53457</link>
		<dc:creator>Howdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Q1 is very typical: the ONE thing the U.S. is most concerned about when it comes to science is how it can “remain a world leader in…”.

It is never about the quality of research or scientific ethos. It is always about who has the highest number of patents, the highest number of publications, oh my god, China is catching up, and so on. The most annoying part is when U.S. government science advisers go abroad and tell people outside the U.S. how terrible it is that other countries are catching up and might overtake the U.S. in scientific output.

get real! nobody except the U.S. cares about scientific leadership and more science worldwide is beneficial to all of us.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The president of the United states should be interested in improving this country and making the best that he can.  It is in their job description.  I don&#039;t understand how you can be mad at the candidates or the questioners for asking the candidates how they plan to accomplish something that is obviously something they should be trying to do as president. 

 They aren&#039;t trying to be the president of the Politically Correct states, they are trying to be the president of the united states.  It is in the interest of the United States to be the most innovative, and thus the leader of the United States should be trying to make it as innovative as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Q1 is very typical: the ONE thing the U.S. is most concerned about when it comes to science is how it can “remain a world leader in…”.</p>
<p>It is never about the quality of research or scientific ethos. It is always about who has the highest number of patents, the highest number of publications, oh my god, China is catching up, and so on. The most annoying part is when U.S. government science advisers go abroad and tell people outside the U.S. how terrible it is that other countries are catching up and might overtake the U.S. in scientific output.</p>
<p>get real! nobody except the U.S. cares about scientific leadership and more science worldwide is beneficial to all of us.</p></blockquote>
<p>The president of the United states should be interested in improving this country and making the best that he can.  It is in their job description.  I don&#8217;t understand how you can be mad at the candidates or the questioners for asking the candidates how they plan to accomplish something that is obviously something they should be trying to do as president. </p>
<p> They aren&#8217;t trying to be the president of the Politically Correct states, they are trying to be the president of the united states.  It is in the interest of the United States to be the most innovative, and thus the leader of the United States should be trying to make it as innovative as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommaso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommaso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea. I would like to see questions about how the candidates view the issue of religious and ideological rewriting of science (i.e. intelligent design, stem cell research, and climate change), especially referring to the current administration and the Palin nomination,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea. I would like to see questions about how the candidates view the issue of religious and ideological rewriting of science (i.e. intelligent design, stem cell research, and climate change), especially referring to the current administration and the Palin nomination,</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/27/science-debate-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-53455</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original questions and answers (which I only attempted to summarize) included both questions about how to pay for things, and both candidates steadfastly refusing to say with specifics.  The candidates avoided Lehrer&#039;s questions about costs during Friday&#039;s debate, and they did the same here.

Unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original questions and answers (which I only attempted to summarize) included both questions about how to pay for things, and both candidates steadfastly refusing to say with specifics.  The candidates avoided Lehrer&#8217;s questions about costs during Friday&#8217;s debate, and they did the same here.</p>
<p>Unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Denny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Denny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the comment that keeping the US a &quot;world leader&quot; in innovation is not necessarily the best frame to approach the American decline in science, technology and innovation. Rescuing the planet from its various ills requires a much broader approach. We&#039;re not the only smart guys on the planet.

But attacking the questions as merely agenda-setting is foolish. Virtually every issue, in one way or another, is an exercise in agenda setting. The absence of this kind of questioning of candidates (and not only for president, but Senate and House as well) in favor of frames about gay marriage, God or no God, etc., blind voters to real national needs.

And, as usual, in regard to science or almost any issue, the candidates do not clearly and precisely answer two questions:

How much will it cost?
Who&#039;s gonna pay for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the comment that keeping the US a &#8220;world leader&#8221; in innovation is not necessarily the best frame to approach the American decline in science, technology and innovation. Rescuing the planet from its various ills requires a much broader approach. We&#8217;re not the only smart guys on the planet.</p>
<p>But attacking the questions as merely agenda-setting is foolish. Virtually every issue, in one way or another, is an exercise in agenda setting. The absence of this kind of questioning of candidates (and not only for president, but Senate and House as well) in favor of frames about gay marriage, God or no God, etc., blind voters to real national needs.</p>
<p>And, as usual, in regard to science or almost any issue, the candidates do not clearly and precisely answer two questions:</p>
<p>How much will it cost?<br />
Who&#8217;s gonna pay for it?</p>
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		<title>By: Losse stukken over de presidentsverkiezingen in de VS - Sargasso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Losse stukken over de presidentsverkiezingen in de VS - Sargasso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in de VS28-09-2008 om 17:15 door Steeph Losse stukken over/uit de presidentsverkiezingen in de VS Barack Obama, John McCain, presidentsverkiezingen 2008, Verenigde Staten, Waan v/d Dag   [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in de VS28-09-2008 om 17:15 door Steeph Losse stukken over/uit de presidentsverkiezingen in de VS Barack Obama, John McCain, presidentsverkiezingen 2008, Verenigde Staten, Waan v/d Dag   [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/27/science-debate-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-53447</link>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, we will not pull our heads out of the sand...it&#039;s safe down here. Now if you want to talk about guns or abortion or gay marriage (issues that &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; affect America) then the candidates will talk; in fact, they&#039;ll talk endlessly. If you want to talk about the evil doers of the world who hate us for our freedoms, then the candidates will talk.

Perhaps a discussion about restricter plates on carburetors in NASCAR...that&#039;s &quot;science&quot;, right? 

I think that the questions are pertinent, Brian, but they are also difficult questions that leave little room bullshit politicking; consequently, both candidates will avoid them like the plague.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, we will not pull our heads out of the sand&#8230;it&#8217;s safe down here. Now if you want to talk about guns or abortion or gay marriage (issues that <i>really</i> affect America) then the candidates will talk; in fact, they&#8217;ll talk endlessly. If you want to talk about the evil doers of the world who hate us for our freedoms, then the candidates will talk.</p>
<p>Perhaps a discussion about restricter plates on carburetors in NASCAR&#8230;that&#8217;s &#8220;science&#8221;, right? </p>
<p>I think that the questions are pertinent, Brian, but they are also difficult questions that leave little room bullshit politicking; consequently, both candidates will avoid them like the plague.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, this would have been an excellent debae indeed.

Jiff
www.privacy-center.ru.tc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, this would have been an excellent debae indeed.</p>
<p>Jiff<br />
<a href="http://www.privacy-center.ru.tc" rel="nofollow">http://www.privacy-center.ru.tc</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q1 is very typical: the ONE thing the U.S. is most concerned about when it comes to science is how it can &quot;remain a world leader in...&quot;.

It is never about the quality of research or scientific ethos. It is always about who has the highest number of patents, the highest number of publications, oh my god, China is catching up, and so on. The most annoying part is when U.S. government science advisers go abroad and tell people outside the U.S. how terrible it is that other countries are catching up and might overtake the U.S. in scientific output. 

get real! nobody except the U.S. cares about scientific leadership and more science worldwide is beneficial to all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q1 is very typical: the ONE thing the U.S. is most concerned about when it comes to science is how it can &#8220;remain a world leader in&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is never about the quality of research or scientific ethos. It is always about who has the highest number of patents, the highest number of publications, oh my god, China is catching up, and so on. The most annoying part is when U.S. government science advisers go abroad and tell people outside the U.S. how terrible it is that other countries are catching up and might overtake the U.S. in scientific output. </p>
<p>get real! nobody except the U.S. cares about scientific leadership and more science worldwide is beneficial to all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/27/science-debate-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-53437</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 05:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PT- those were not my questions at all, but rather questions put together by the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php?id=7&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;signers&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php?id=12&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;steering committee&lt;/a&gt; to SD2008.  Some of those signers were the AAAS, the National Academies of both Science and Engineering, Scientific American and Skeptic Magazines, 28 Nobel laureates, Columbia, Drexel, Duke, Cornell, Johns Hopkins, RIT, the presidents or regents of pretty much every single university of scientific and/or engineering renown.  If you have issues with the questions, take it up with them, not me.

I, for one, think that these 14 questions meet your own criteria about telling us something about how the two candidates think.  And most of the questions that Jim Lehrer asked of the candidates on Friday&#039;s debate were just as open ended as you&#039;re claiming these 14 were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PT- those were not my questions at all, but rather questions put together by the <a href="http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php?id=7" rel="nofollow">signers</a> and <a href="http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php?id=12" rel="nofollow">steering committee</a> to SD2008.  Some of those signers were the AAAS, the National Academies of both Science and Engineering, Scientific American and Skeptic Magazines, 28 Nobel laureates, Columbia, Drexel, Duke, Cornell, Johns Hopkins, RIT, the presidents or regents of pretty much every single university of scientific and/or engineering renown.  If you have issues with the questions, take it up with them, not me.</p>
<p>I, for one, think that these 14 questions meet your own criteria about telling us something about how the two candidates think.  And most of the questions that Jim Lehrer asked of the candidates on Friday&#8217;s debate were just as open ended as you&#8217;re claiming these 14 were.</p>
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		<title>By: Political Thinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Political Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 05:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;tragic&quot; thing here is that you&#039;d propose such a foolish bunch of questions, which do absolutely nothing but inflate the egos and self-importance of the people posing them.

For starters, your &quot;questions,&quot; which are really thinly-disguised lobbying manifestos, are so open-ended that they lend themselves to little more than endless boilerplate pablum. More importantly, they ignore what debates actually do, which is to use issues as the backdrop to illustrate candidates&#039; thinking styles.

No one who listens to a debate EVER cares, mucn less remembers, the specific policy prescriptions than emanate from them. What they&#039;re looking for is a series of clues about how candidates think. If you actually care about how the candidates approach science and technology, you&#039;d boil it down to one or two narrowly focused questions that would elicit a sense of where they&#039;d want to go in this area.

Fourteen questions, and it&#039;s &quot;tragic&quot; that you don&#039;t get them answers? Oh, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;tragic&#8221; thing here is that you&#8217;d propose such a foolish bunch of questions, which do absolutely nothing but inflate the egos and self-importance of the people posing them.</p>
<p>For starters, your &#8220;questions,&#8221; which are really thinly-disguised lobbying manifestos, are so open-ended that they lend themselves to little more than endless boilerplate pablum. More importantly, they ignore what debates actually do, which is to use issues as the backdrop to illustrate candidates&#8217; thinking styles.</p>
<p>No one who listens to a debate EVER cares, mucn less remembers, the specific policy prescriptions than emanate from them. What they&#8217;re looking for is a series of clues about how candidates think. If you actually care about how the candidates approach science and technology, you&#8217;d boil it down to one or two narrowly focused questions that would elicit a sense of where they&#8217;d want to go in this area.</p>
<p>Fourteen questions, and it&#8217;s &#8220;tragic&#8221; that you don&#8217;t get them answers? Oh, please.</p>
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		<title>By: www.buzzflash.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.buzzflash.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 04:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The debate that never happened, but should have: Science Debate 2008...&lt;/strong&gt;

Multiple science organizations collaborated in the hopes of getting the presidential candidates to debate science and technology in a televised public debate. What the groups got instead was a list of responses to 14 science and technology questions, a...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The debate that never happened, but should have: Science Debate 2008&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Multiple science organizations collaborated in the hopes of getting the presidential candidates to debate science and technology in a televised public debate. What the groups got instead was a list of responses to 14 science and technology questions, a&#8230;</p>
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