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	<title>Comments on: Philip Morris: it&#8217;s our First Amendment right to speech to sell tobacco in San Francisco pharmacies</title>
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	<description>Think - it ain&#039;t illegal yet...</description>
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		<title>By: Day 123 (2008-10-10) &#171; Impeachmentwatch</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/10/06/philip-morris-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-54006</link>
		<dc:creator>Day 123 (2008-10-10) &#171; Impeachmentwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hank Paulson Lied&#8221; (video)GLAAD-BLOG: Matthew Shepard - Ten Years LaterSCHOLARS&amp;ROGUES: Philip Morris: it&#8217;s our First Amendment right to speech to sell tobacco in San Francisco pharm...ONEIDA-DISPATCH: Judo black belt Putin shows off moves in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hank Paulson Lied&#8221; (video)GLAAD-BLOG: Matthew Shepard &#8211; Ten Years LaterSCHOLARS&amp;ROGUES: Philip Morris: it&#8217;s our First Amendment right to speech to sell tobacco in San Francisco pharm&#8230;ONEIDA-DISPATCH: Judo black belt Putin shows off moves in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/10/06/philip-morris-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-53894</link>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While i disagree with the &quot;lets ban tobacco&quot; crusade, and for the same reason i disagree with the &quot;lets ban abortion&quot; crusade, i&#039;m in complete agreement with the thrust of the post.

How a limited liability corporation can be given the rights of an individual boggles my mind. Were the company wholly owned by a single person, the argument might work. But somehow, the LLCs of America have managed to gather all the &quot;rights&quot; that i have while evading any of the responsibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While i disagree with the &#8220;lets ban tobacco&#8221; crusade, and for the same reason i disagree with the &#8220;lets ban abortion&#8221; crusade, i&#8217;m in complete agreement with the thrust of the post.</p>
<p>How a limited liability corporation can be given the rights of an individual boggles my mind. Were the company wholly owned by a single person, the argument might work. But somehow, the LLCs of America have managed to gather all the &#8220;rights&#8221; that i have while evading any of the responsibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/10/06/philip-morris-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-53860</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Savantster - damn right.  The problem is that the Supreme Court has, over the years, granted certain constitutional rights to corporations.  Some of the rights &lt;em&gt;sort of&lt;/em&gt; make sense, but by making them constitutional, it requires a Supreme Court decision to overrule.

Giving juristic persons the rights of real, live, flesh-and-blood human beings is rock stupid, especially when said juristic persons are corporations with more income than most nations and are multi-national or extra-national.  This applies especially to the &quot;political donations = free speech&quot; nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Savantster &#8211; damn right.  The problem is that the Supreme Court has, over the years, granted certain constitutional rights to corporations.  Some of the rights <em>sort of</em> make sense, but by making them constitutional, it requires a Supreme Court decision to overrule.</p>
<p>Giving juristic persons the rights of real, live, flesh-and-blood human beings is rock stupid, especially when said juristic persons are corporations with more income than most nations and are multi-national or extra-national.  This applies especially to the &#8220;political donations = free speech&#8221; nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/10/06/philip-morris-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-53859</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nearly crippled - I wrote it, and here&#039;s what I wrote in the first paragraph: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;The first, Walgreens, is suing because only stand-alone pharmacies are affected by the ban - grocery stories and big-box stores with pharmacies are not affected. Their legal logic is that the tobacco sales ban is discriminatory toward stand-alone pharmacies, &lt;em&gt;and they have a point&lt;/em&gt;. Whether it’ll hold up in court is another question (the federal judge refused to delay the ban, due to start on October 1, while the lawsuit is being heard), and one I’ll not even attempt to address. (emphasis added)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So, obviously, I noticed the part about Walgreens, but chose to address Philip Morris&#039; claim to be a person instead.  You&#039;ve chosen to ignore it entirely.

I&#039;ll ask again - do you think that a corporation like Philip Morris (or Nike, or IBM, or Microsoft, or...) should be granted the constitutional rights of a flesh and blood human being?  And do you think that commerce (the sale of a product and the marketing of that product, in this case tobacco) is protected free speech?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nearly crippled &#8211; I wrote it, and here&#8217;s what I wrote in the first paragraph: </p>
<blockquote><p>The first, Walgreens, is suing because only stand-alone pharmacies are affected by the ban &#8211; grocery stories and big-box stores with pharmacies are not affected. Their legal logic is that the tobacco sales ban is discriminatory toward stand-alone pharmacies, <em>and they have a point</em>. Whether it’ll hold up in court is another question (the federal judge refused to delay the ban, due to start on October 1, while the lawsuit is being heard), and one I’ll not even attempt to address. (emphasis added)</p></blockquote>
<p>So, obviously, I noticed the part about Walgreens, but chose to address Philip Morris&#8217; claim to be a person instead.  You&#8217;ve chosen to ignore it entirely.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll ask again &#8211; do you think that a corporation like Philip Morris (or Nike, or IBM, or Microsoft, or&#8230;) should be granted the constitutional rights of a flesh and blood human being?  And do you think that commerce (the sale of a product and the marketing of that product, in this case tobacco) is protected free speech?</p>
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		<title>By: Nearly crippled</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/10/06/philip-morris-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-53856</link>
		<dc:creator>Nearly crippled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About what one would expect from people that did not bother to read the article and therefore missed the part about Walgreens.  Ex smokers?
Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About what one would expect from people that did not bother to read the article and therefore missed the part about Walgreens.  Ex smokers?<br />
Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Savantster</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/10/06/philip-morris-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-53850</link>
		<dc:creator>Savantster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Constitution needs to be Amended/Clarified to remove person hood from companies. They are not people, they don&#039;t have inherent rights, they have rights granted by law. Companies are pieces of paper, not persons. Their rights end where we say they end because we&#039;re humans with the inherent right to govern and protect ourselves. Companies rely on our protection, they have no, nor should they have, inherent rights.

Corrupted public officials created this nightmare by giving companies Constitutional protections instead of legal protections. It was done on purpose, and has been used at every turn to abuse living people.

Undo this folly, or suffer the consequences.

And MY free speech is abridged in various places for public good, so the same principle should hold for corporations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Constitution needs to be Amended/Clarified to remove person hood from companies. They are not people, they don&#8217;t have inherent rights, they have rights granted by law. Companies are pieces of paper, not persons. Their rights end where we say they end because we&#8217;re humans with the inherent right to govern and protect ourselves. Companies rely on our protection, they have no, nor should they have, inherent rights.</p>
<p>Corrupted public officials created this nightmare by giving companies Constitutional protections instead of legal protections. It was done on purpose, and has been used at every turn to abuse living people.</p>
<p>Undo this folly, or suffer the consequences.</p>
<p>And MY free speech is abridged in various places for public good, so the same principle should hold for corporations.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/10/06/philip-morris-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-53826</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nearly Crippled - I can appreciate your point, but you&#039;ve ignored the entire thrust of the post, which is that Philip Morris claims to have a &lt;em&gt;First Amendment, free speech right&lt;/em&gt; to sell tobacco.  Can you tell me how a company (not a person) has a free speech right to sell something?  Or to market their product?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nearly Crippled &#8211; I can appreciate your point, but you&#8217;ve ignored the entire thrust of the post, which is that Philip Morris claims to have a <em>First Amendment, free speech right</em> to sell tobacco.  Can you tell me how a company (not a person) has a free speech right to sell something?  Or to market their product?</p>
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		<title>By: Nearly crippled</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/10/06/philip-morris-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-53823</link>
		<dc:creator>Nearly crippled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have smoked for 52 years I started buying them in chain grocery stores.  I was nearly crippled by Doctor prescribed  statin drugs sold in  all pharmacies.  Nearly all stores sell liquor, a greater health hazzard than somking.  Nearly all stores sell regular and diet sodas and energy drinks  all of which have come under fire as health hazzards.  This is clearly discriminatory.  One can only wonder who is behind this action.  Most likely ex smokers.  Isolating, discriminating against and criminalizing one segment of the population for something they have done legally for hundreds of years will have un-intended consequences.  Do you really want to live in a world with a couple of billion ex smokers?&quot;  Careful what you ask for. If we stop, you can start paying for your own medical expences we are tired of paying for everyone elses vices including over eating.
Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have smoked for 52 years I started buying them in chain grocery stores.  I was nearly crippled by Doctor prescribed  statin drugs sold in  all pharmacies.  Nearly all stores sell liquor, a greater health hazzard than somking.  Nearly all stores sell regular and diet sodas and energy drinks  all of which have come under fire as health hazzards.  This is clearly discriminatory.  One can only wonder who is behind this action.  Most likely ex smokers.  Isolating, discriminating against and criminalizing one segment of the population for something they have done legally for hundreds of years will have un-intended consequences.  Do you really want to live in a world with a couple of billion ex smokers?&#8221;  Careful what you ask for. If we stop, you can start paying for your own medical expences we are tired of paying for everyone elses vices including over eating.<br />
Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Ivins</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/10/06/philip-morris-first-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-53819</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Ivins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortunately, stand-alone pharmacies can still sell everything you need to make meth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately, stand-alone pharmacies can still sell everything you need to make meth.</p>
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