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	<title>Comments on: America&#8217;s Negro Cracker Problem: ich bin ein Auslander</title>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; FOX declares McCain campaign dead, consigns them to the racist scrap heap of history</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; FOX declares McCain campaign dead, consigns them to the racist scrap heap of history</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] McCain? Race-baiting? I declare, I just might faint. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happened to come up in a city of segregated neighborhoods and integrated schools at the time that gangsta rap was becoming widely popular. I can remember some of the same people who put &quot;Straight Outta Compton&quot; on to cruise around being racist  to the point of violence. And i lived inside Detroit (Greenfield and Tireman) while in university during the mid-90&#039;s: drive-bys, home businesses run through mailslots, the whole nine yards.

I&#039;m still white, but these experiences have colored my reaction to the ghetto imitation that i&#039;ve seen the world over. Now i live in white, rural splendor. Yet i see kids who&#039;ve probably never actually known a black person rollin&#039; like they&#039;re a thug. I always wonder if their behavior is no deeper than fashion or if they believe that they can actually relate to the black, American experience. 

The ghetto life portrayed in rap speaks to cold, violent reality if you&#039;ve ever seen that life with your own two eyes, whereas it becomes borderline mythological hero worship when you&#039;ve never had to arrange your living room furniture based on possible ballistic trajectories. I have to figure that most of the suburban gangsta contingent does not actually relate to black America any more than most of the 60&#039;s hippies could actually relate to leftist radicals. It is often nothing more than rebellion against the life that &quot;middle class&quot; parents try so hard to create for their children...one without want or violence.

In other words, the emulation of black culture among today&#039;s youth probably extends no deeper than the Sean Paul jeans; however, that imitation probably does prepare the minds of our youth for the idea of a black president...so long as they think deeply enough to realize that not every black person is a pimp, playa, or money mother fuckin&#039; maker. 

Still, the fashionable emulation pisses me off to no end. I&#039;m always tempted to start chest poking and ask how many of the cocked hat kid&#039;s friends know what it feels like to take a bullet or have been locked down for murder. Taking everything except the burden and pretending they know about shit that would have them filling their $200 sneakers with a puddle of piss.

sorry for the rant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happened to come up in a city of segregated neighborhoods and integrated schools at the time that gangsta rap was becoming widely popular. I can remember some of the same people who put &#8220;Straight Outta Compton&#8221; on to cruise around being racist  to the point of violence. And i lived inside Detroit (Greenfield and Tireman) while in university during the mid-90&#8217;s: drive-bys, home businesses run through mailslots, the whole nine yards.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still white, but these experiences have colored my reaction to the ghetto imitation that i&#8217;ve seen the world over. Now i live in white, rural splendor. Yet i see kids who&#8217;ve probably never actually known a black person rollin&#8217; like they&#8217;re a thug. I always wonder if their behavior is no deeper than fashion or if they believe that they can actually relate to the black, American experience. </p>
<p>The ghetto life portrayed in rap speaks to cold, violent reality if you&#8217;ve ever seen that life with your own two eyes, whereas it becomes borderline mythological hero worship when you&#8217;ve never had to arrange your living room furniture based on possible ballistic trajectories. I have to figure that most of the suburban gangsta contingent does not actually relate to black America any more than most of the 60&#8217;s hippies could actually relate to leftist radicals. It is often nothing more than rebellion against the life that &#8220;middle class&#8221; parents try so hard to create for their children&#8230;one without want or violence.</p>
<p>In other words, the emulation of black culture among today&#8217;s youth probably extends no deeper than the Sean Paul jeans; however, that imitation probably does prepare the minds of our youth for the idea of a black president&#8230;so long as they think deeply enough to realize that not every black person is a pimp, playa, or money mother fuckin&#8217; maker. </p>
<p>Still, the fashionable emulation pisses me off to no end. I&#8217;m always tempted to start chest poking and ask how many of the cocked hat kid&#8217;s friends know what it feels like to take a bullet or have been locked down for murder. Taking everything except the burden and pretending they know about shit that would have them filling their $200 sneakers with a puddle of piss.</p>
<p>sorry for the rant.</p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; America&#8217;s Negro Cracker Problem: none of us are free</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; America&#8217;s Negro Cracker Problem: none of us are free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ubertramp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubertramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno, bobby. I don&#039;t want to be black.  But that doesn&#039;t stop me from liking jazz or R&amp;B or some rap (not that i think any of those forms are necessarily &quot;black&quot;, either).  Same thing with other cultures.  I like anime, I own a katana and two tea ceremony sets, but I don&#039;t wanna be Japanese.  I also love Mozart&#039;s Mass in C minor and gargoyles, but I don&#039;t wanna return to Catholicism.  Admiration doesn&#039;t necessarily imply a need or desire for imitation.

This is kind of a tangent from the original topic.  But while I agree with you that black culture has had a lot of influence, couldn&#039;t you say that about a lot of other cultures as well?  Seems like we have influences from all sorts of cultures -- asian, african, polynesian, european, persian, muslim. Maybe I notice it more because I was raised in Hawaii in a city where europeans were, by far, the minority, i dunno. 

Oddly enough, it seems like every time we get into a war with some particular &quot;group&quot; of people, whoever &quot;they&quot; are ultimately changes &quot;our&quot; culture.  Would the Kite Runner have been as popular in the US if it had come out 20-30 years ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno, bobby. I don&#8217;t want to be black.  But that doesn&#8217;t stop me from liking jazz or R&amp;B or some rap (not that i think any of those forms are necessarily &#8220;black&#8221;, either).  Same thing with other cultures.  I like anime, I own a katana and two tea ceremony sets, but I don&#8217;t wanna be Japanese.  I also love Mozart&#8217;s Mass in C minor and gargoyles, but I don&#8217;t wanna return to Catholicism.  Admiration doesn&#8217;t necessarily imply a need or desire for imitation.</p>
<p>This is kind of a tangent from the original topic.  But while I agree with you that black culture has had a lot of influence, couldn&#8217;t you say that about a lot of other cultures as well?  Seems like we have influences from all sorts of cultures &#8212; asian, african, polynesian, european, persian, muslim. Maybe I notice it more because I was raised in Hawaii in a city where europeans were, by far, the minority, i dunno. </p>
<p>Oddly enough, it seems like every time we get into a war with some particular &#8220;group&#8221; of people, whoever &#8220;they&#8221; are ultimately changes &#8220;our&#8221; culture.  Would the Kite Runner have been as popular in the US if it had come out 20-30 years ago?</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby McGill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby McGill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece, you really hit on a lot of the crap out there.

One term you used --&quot;cultural outsiders&quot;-- I found interesting. I would say that while black America is outside of the mainstream culture they are perhaps the greatest exporters of &quot;new&quot; culture in the world today. Be it music, fashion, sports or even the evolution of the English lexicon, black America is having a tremendous influence on the world.

Since the Harlem Renaissance when upscale whites tried to be cool going into black clubs, to Elvis imitating black music, to now, with the world dressing, dancing and singing like black folk, one undeniable truism shines through: Much of the world wants to be black.

Bobby 
http://www.idlewordship.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece, you really hit on a lot of the crap out there.</p>
<p>One term you used &#8211;&#8221;cultural outsiders&#8221;&#8211; I found interesting. I would say that while black America is outside of the mainstream culture they are perhaps the greatest exporters of &#8220;new&#8221; culture in the world today. Be it music, fashion, sports or even the evolution of the English lexicon, black America is having a tremendous influence on the world.</p>
<p>Since the Harlem Renaissance when upscale whites tried to be cool going into black clubs, to Elvis imitating black music, to now, with the world dressing, dancing and singing like black folk, one undeniable truism shines through: Much of the world wants to be black.</p>
<p>Bobby<br />
<a href="http://www.idlewordship.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.idlewordship.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ann Ivins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Ivins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can certainly compare the sexism Sen. Clinton faced to the racism Sen. Obama faces; in terms of overtness and social acceptability, at least. In fact, it&#039;s almost as though an omnipotent social scientist designed that particular contest... The criticism of Palin as a woman, as Dr. S pointed out, is of an entirely different stripe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can certainly compare the sexism Sen. Clinton faced to the racism Sen. Obama faces; in terms of overtness and social acceptability, at least. In fact, it&#8217;s almost as though an omnipotent social scientist designed that particular contest&#8230; The criticism of Palin as a woman, as Dr. S pointed out, is of an entirely different stripe.</p>
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		<title>By: JS OBrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS OBrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lara,

Tell your sister-in-law that she&#039;s in good company.  &quot;N- lover&quot; was my sobriquet for more than a few of my teenage years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lara,</p>
<p>Tell your sister-in-law that she&#8217;s in good company.  &#8220;N- lover&#8221; was my sobriquet for more than a few of my teenage years.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubertramp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubertramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I often wonder if some of these nutjobs actually know the history of either party.  The democrats and republicans of today are very different from the parties of, say, around the civil war.  You could argue that their polices have flipped.  Much of the reason the republican party came into existence had to do with the democrats&#039; view of slavery.  And now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often wonder if some of these nutjobs actually know the history of either party.  The democrats and republicans of today are very different from the parties of, say, around the civil war.  You could argue that their polices have flipped.  Much of the reason the republican party came into existence had to do with the democrats&#8217; view of slavery.  And now?</p>
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		<title>By: Lara Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lara Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My youngest sister-in-law is 18 and is excited about voting for the first time.  She&#039;s also volunteering for Obama and Udall and doing all those lovely phone calls in the evening hours.  She has people call her a &quot;N- lover&quot; and hang up on her.  This in Colorado in the 21st century.

Lara Amber</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My youngest sister-in-law is 18 and is excited about voting for the first time.  She&#8217;s also volunteering for Obama and Udall and doing all those lovely phone calls in the evening hours.  She has people call her a &#8220;N- lover&#8221; and hang up on her.  This in Colorado in the 21st century.</p>
<p>Lara Amber</p>
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		<title>By: Rho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anders,

  &quot;And my door knocking experience on behalf of the McCain campaign this weekend (dare I say that on this site?)&quot;

Actually as long as you following the posting rules and try to be coherent anyone seems welcome here. I&#039;m an unrepentant republican, although a left wing repub who is going to have to vote Obama because McCain/Palin scares me, especially Palin. Jeff, who frequently posts is very republican and a right wing fiscal conservative of the first stripe but his postings, most especially the ones on economics, are articulate and generally well thought out and presented, even the ones I don&#039;t agree with. 


;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anders,</p>
<p>  &#8220;And my door knocking experience on behalf of the McCain campaign this weekend (dare I say that on this site?)&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually as long as you following the posting rules and try to be coherent anyone seems welcome here. I&#8217;m an unrepentant republican, although a left wing repub who is going to have to vote Obama because McCain/Palin scares me, especially Palin. Jeff, who frequently posts is very republican and a right wing fiscal conservative of the first stripe but his postings, most especially the ones on economics, are articulate and generally well thought out and presented, even the ones I don&#8217;t agree with. </p>
<p> <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anders: I don&#039;t think you can link the two. What Palin has faced is MORE than fair because of the ideological basis from which she proceeds. Her whole base is about making women second class citizens and denying them the choices that Palin would secure for herself.

Put another way, when you&#039;re part of the reason sexism is such a problem, you don&#039;t get to play that card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anders: I don&#8217;t think you can link the two. What Palin has faced is MORE than fair because of the ideological basis from which she proceeds. Her whole base is about making women second class citizens and denying them the choices that Palin would secure for herself.</p>
<p>Put another way, when you&#8217;re part of the reason sexism is such a problem, you don&#8217;t get to play that card.</p>
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		<title>By: AndersG</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndersG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting  entry, although I think the racism displayed by Republicans will back fire. I look at my kids, they’re so thoroughly marinated in civil rights teaching every single year during 12 years of school that they’re hyper sensitive to stuff that I don’t even think of as racist until they point it out to me. 

And my door knocking experience on behalf of the McCain campaign this weekend (dare I say that on this site?) validated that, several people voiced concern with Republicans playing the race card  (granted, that was in an affluent suburban area of Colorado)

However, I’m finding the sexism Hillary and Palin has faced this year is much more overt and socially acceptable…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting  entry, although I think the racism displayed by Republicans will back fire. I look at my kids, they’re so thoroughly marinated in civil rights teaching every single year during 12 years of school that they’re hyper sensitive to stuff that I don’t even think of as racist until they point it out to me. </p>
<p>And my door knocking experience on behalf of the McCain campaign this weekend (dare I say that on this site?) validated that, several people voiced concern with Republicans playing the race card  (granted, that was in an affluent suburban area of Colorado)</p>
<p>However, I’m finding the sexism Hillary and Palin has faced this year is much more overt and socially acceptable…</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian: That&#039;s very true. I actually know real, live socialists. I doubt Fred does.

As a side note, whatever disagreements I have with them politically (and there are several), most (but not all) have been pretty decent, well-intentioned people. You know, the sorts of people you could have a beer with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian: That&#8217;s very true. I actually know real, live socialists. I doubt Fred does.</p>
<p>As a side note, whatever disagreements I have with them politically (and there are several), most (but not all) have been pretty decent, well-intentioned people. You know, the sorts of people you could have a beer with.</p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred, if you believe that we&#039;re socialists, then it&#039;s obvious to me that you&#039;ve never actually met any socialists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, if you believe that we&#8217;re socialists, then it&#8217;s obvious to me that you&#8217;ve never actually met any socialists.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Beloit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Beloit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, no. Do we really need another wacko lefty site to spew hate and ignorance around? I say no. Bad luck to your plans for a socialist propaganda future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, no. Do we really need another wacko lefty site to spew hate and ignorance around? I say no. Bad luck to your plans for a socialist propaganda future.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It astounds me the so many of my compatriots find the ugliest facets of America beautiful. And while i&#039;ve long hoped that i was wrong in my estimate that America would gleefully accept fascism, a fair amount of this election cycle tells me that i am not wrong. 

Fear and loathing on the campaign trail is no longer one man&#039;s burden or dark, cynical humor; it is real. Which leads me to repeat one of HST&#039;s favorite catchphrases, &quot;We&#039;re a nation of pigs and we&#039;ll get what we deserve.&quot; Only this time it isn&#039;t my own dark, cynical humor that provokes the words from my mouth. Now it feels like prophecy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It astounds me the so many of my compatriots find the ugliest facets of America beautiful. And while i&#8217;ve long hoped that i was wrong in my estimate that America would gleefully accept fascism, a fair amount of this election cycle tells me that i am not wrong. </p>
<p>Fear and loathing on the campaign trail is no longer one man&#8217;s burden or dark, cynical humor; it is real. Which leads me to repeat one of HST&#8217;s favorite catchphrases, &#8220;We&#8217;re a nation of pigs and we&#8217;ll get what we deserve.&#8221; Only this time it isn&#8217;t my own dark, cynical humor that provokes the words from my mouth. Now it feels like prophecy.</p>
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