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	<title>Comments on: Dobson&#8217;s election strategy: Focus on the Family Fear</title>
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		<title>By: Karen Oppers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Oppers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a divorce attorney, what I find fascinating is with all the talk about family and marriage and the sanctity of the institution espoused by the far right, the divorce rate in states that have anti-gay marriage laws, or other laws protecting &quot;the sanctity of the institution&quot;, is far greater than in more liberal states where people like James Dobson has a far less influential role in marriage and divorce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a divorce attorney, what I find fascinating is with all the talk about family and marriage and the sanctity of the institution espoused by the far right, the divorce rate in states that have anti-gay marriage laws, or other laws protecting &#8220;the sanctity of the institution&#8221;, is far greater than in more liberal states where people like James Dobson has a far less influential role in marriage and divorce.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Tranchina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey Tranchina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ay-yi-yi,  Wendy Redal:

Remember what Dick Cavet said to Governor Lester Maddox, before he walked off of his television show? Cavet said: &quot;Governor Maddox, if I have called any of your supporters &quot;bigots,&quot; who are, in fact, not bigots, I apologize.&quot;

 I re-read my post and I don&#039;t believe that my words did: &quot;... tar all evangelical Christians with the same brush.&quot;  If  I made you feel that way, I apologize. That was not the thrust of my response to the abusive politics of James Dobson. As I believe I said most explicitly: &quot;Your religion is none of my business&quot;  This is not a theological debate it is a political one.   For many years I have directed a non-profit; I work with wonderful people in Christian charities, Catholic Charities and Jewish charities; in our work in West Africa I will be working with Muslim charities as well. This is not about the role of religion in society. My comment was explicitly and I thought clearly about the disproportionate and destructive role of right-wing Fundamentalist Christian religion in US politics. Christianity is not a political party.  Such untoward influence from religious fanatics is always dangerous because it can so easily be manipulated to threaten the liberty and safety of minorities.  That is simply the history of the world. From my previous career, as a photojournalist, I can show you photographs of such conflicts that would give you nightmares.  I have no difficulty in distinguishing the difference between Christians who carry their own cross and those who crucify others. I call that the difference between a Gospel of Love and a Gospel of Power.  

I have been pointing out the dangers of this conspiracy between right-wing political demagogues and right-wing religious demagogues, since Ronald Reagan, Jesse Helms, Richard Vigory and Paul Weyrik assembled that unholy alliance in the 80s.  The one thing that has always disappointed me was the muted voice of committed Christians, who are not bigots. I have always assumed that decent Christians were a majority, but to listen to the resounding silence from these good Christians in the face of this three-decade-long right-wing jihad, has been very disheartening.... and yes I know of &quot;Matthew 25, and I applaud their efforts and have noted the slander and other abuses to which they have been subjected, but let&#039;s face it, Matthew 25 is a weak voice in the face of the strident choir of Liberty Media, the 700 Club (CBN); Focus on the Family; Traditional Values Coalition; Chalcedon Foundation; Institute on Religion &amp; Democracy; Free Congress Foundation; Heritage Foundation; Alliance Defense Fund; Discovery Institute... need I go on.... Anyway, welcome to the fray

... and yes, i will continue to raise my voice against bigotry and hate-politics even when it comes cloaked in the sheep&#039;s clothing of Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ay-yi-yi,  Wendy Redal:</p>
<p>Remember what Dick Cavet said to Governor Lester Maddox, before he walked off of his television show? Cavet said: &#8220;Governor Maddox, if I have called any of your supporters &#8220;bigots,&#8221; who are, in fact, not bigots, I apologize.&#8221;</p>
<p> I re-read my post and I don&#8217;t believe that my words did: &#8220;&#8230; tar all evangelical Christians with the same brush.&#8221;  If  I made you feel that way, I apologize. That was not the thrust of my response to the abusive politics of James Dobson. As I believe I said most explicitly: &#8220;Your religion is none of my business&#8221;  This is not a theological debate it is a political one.   For many years I have directed a non-profit; I work with wonderful people in Christian charities, Catholic Charities and Jewish charities; in our work in West Africa I will be working with Muslim charities as well. This is not about the role of religion in society. My comment was explicitly and I thought clearly about the disproportionate and destructive role of right-wing Fundamentalist Christian religion in US politics. Christianity is not a political party.  Such untoward influence from religious fanatics is always dangerous because it can so easily be manipulated to threaten the liberty and safety of minorities.  That is simply the history of the world. From my previous career, as a photojournalist, I can show you photographs of such conflicts that would give you nightmares.  I have no difficulty in distinguishing the difference between Christians who carry their own cross and those who crucify others. I call that the difference between a Gospel of Love and a Gospel of Power.  </p>
<p>I have been pointing out the dangers of this conspiracy between right-wing political demagogues and right-wing religious demagogues, since Ronald Reagan, Jesse Helms, Richard Vigory and Paul Weyrik assembled that unholy alliance in the 80s.  The one thing that has always disappointed me was the muted voice of committed Christians, who are not bigots. I have always assumed that decent Christians were a majority, but to listen to the resounding silence from these good Christians in the face of this three-decade-long right-wing jihad, has been very disheartening&#8230;. and yes I know of &#8220;Matthew 25, and I applaud their efforts and have noted the slander and other abuses to which they have been subjected, but let&#8217;s face it, Matthew 25 is a weak voice in the face of the strident choir of Liberty Media, the 700 Club (CBN); Focus on the Family; Traditional Values Coalition; Chalcedon Foundation; Institute on Religion &amp; Democracy; Free Congress Foundation; Heritage Foundation; Alliance Defense Fund; Discovery Institute&#8230; need I go on&#8230;. Anyway, welcome to the fray</p>
<p>&#8230; and yes, i will continue to raise my voice against bigotry and hate-politics even when it comes cloaked in the sheep&#8217;s clothing of Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Redal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Redal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ay-yi-yi, Mr. Tranchina, your rhetoric seems to spew even more vehement vitriol than those you criticize.  I have one request, as the author of this post: for all your (and my) legitimate issues with the positions taken by James Dobson, et al., please be careful not to tar all evangelical Christians with the same brush.  There are plenty of progressive evangelicals out there like Jim Wallis -- see Sojourners.org -- or Tony Campolo, author of &quot;Red-Letter Christians,&quot; or even conservative evangelicals like RIchard Cizik, VP for governmental affairs for the National Association of Evangelicals, who are reasonable, thinking, caring citizens that do not share Dobson&#039;s political views.  Or, for that matter, check out the website of the group I mentioned in the post, Matthew 25.  These are evangelicals, too.  Nothing is more detrimental to effective political criticism than to become a different version of those whom you are critiquing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ay-yi-yi, Mr. Tranchina, your rhetoric seems to spew even more vehement vitriol than those you criticize.  I have one request, as the author of this post: for all your (and my) legitimate issues with the positions taken by James Dobson, et al., please be careful not to tar all evangelical Christians with the same brush.  There are plenty of progressive evangelicals out there like Jim Wallis &#8212; see Sojourners.org &#8212; or Tony Campolo, author of &#8220;Red-Letter Christians,&#8221; or even conservative evangelicals like RIchard Cizik, VP for governmental affairs for the National Association of Evangelicals, who are reasonable, thinking, caring citizens that do not share Dobson&#8217;s political views.  Or, for that matter, check out the website of the group I mentioned in the post, Matthew 25.  These are evangelicals, too.  Nothing is more detrimental to effective political criticism than to become a different version of those whom you are critiquing.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Tranchina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey Tranchina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, November 4, 2008 at 6:07 am :  &quot;You’ve all made Dobson’s point with the hatefulness and over-reaction illustrated by your comments&quot;

I have read every word of Mr. Dobson&#039;s attack upon reason with his peculiar brand of religious conviction. There is not one loving or affirmative statement in it. It is filled with bigotry, unjustified conviction, paranoid projections and lies.  If This is your spiritual leader I feel sorry for you but, frankly, your religion is none of my business.  And you have made a major mistake thinking that your fringe religion has any right to dominate the public policies of a free people.  We are no longer amused by your ugly/ignorant positions; your primitive superstitions or by your anti-democratic tactics.

As a citizen, I owe you the moral obligation to defend your right to practice your religion in your home, church and school, with my life. When you trot your religion into the public square as a pretense for bad public policy, I do not owe you the obligation to treat the preposterous nonsense that you call &quot;Absolute Truth&quot; with anything more than the contempt that it deserves.

You and your Mr. Dobson managed to get your president. George Bush. He turned out to be the most inarticulate, incompetent and corrupt president in US history (with all due apologies to Mr. Harding). President Bush has bankrupted America at home while he disgraced her abroad, and all with the enthusiastic cheerleading of Evangelical Christians, who are brain-dead.  There is no longer any reason to be patient with your ignorance or your bigotry. If that is the best you can find in the Bible you should stop reading.  Your toxic pseudo-Christian &quot;values&quot; have destroyed the Republican Party. No one wants to be in the party with you because your ignorance and bigotry are an embarrassment. Every true conservative I know voted for Senator Obama, (including many others - like myself -who had voted for Senator Goldwater) because Barack Obama represented an intelligent approach to America&#039;s problems.  I have a suggestion for you  &quot;PALIN / BACHMANN IN 2012&quot;  that will make it clear that  the Republican Party must flush this &quot;base&quot; of crypto-Christian bigots into some third party sewer if it is ever to rebuild on true conservative principles, about which you are clueless and for which there is not enough space here to explain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, November 4, 2008 at 6:07 am :  &#8220;You’ve all made Dobson’s point with the hatefulness and over-reaction illustrated by your comments&#8221;</p>
<p>I have read every word of Mr. Dobson&#8217;s attack upon reason with his peculiar brand of religious conviction. There is not one loving or affirmative statement in it. It is filled with bigotry, unjustified conviction, paranoid projections and lies.  If This is your spiritual leader I feel sorry for you but, frankly, your religion is none of my business.  And you have made a major mistake thinking that your fringe religion has any right to dominate the public policies of a free people.  We are no longer amused by your ugly/ignorant positions; your primitive superstitions or by your anti-democratic tactics.</p>
<p>As a citizen, I owe you the moral obligation to defend your right to practice your religion in your home, church and school, with my life. When you trot your religion into the public square as a pretense for bad public policy, I do not owe you the obligation to treat the preposterous nonsense that you call &#8220;Absolute Truth&#8221; with anything more than the contempt that it deserves.</p>
<p>You and your Mr. Dobson managed to get your president. George Bush. He turned out to be the most inarticulate, incompetent and corrupt president in US history (with all due apologies to Mr. Harding). President Bush has bankrupted America at home while he disgraced her abroad, and all with the enthusiastic cheerleading of Evangelical Christians, who are brain-dead.  There is no longer any reason to be patient with your ignorance or your bigotry. If that is the best you can find in the Bible you should stop reading.  Your toxic pseudo-Christian &#8220;values&#8221; have destroyed the Republican Party. No one wants to be in the party with you because your ignorance and bigotry are an embarrassment. Every true conservative I know voted for Senator Obama, (including many others &#8211; like myself -who had voted for Senator Goldwater) because Barack Obama represented an intelligent approach to America&#8217;s problems.  I have a suggestion for you  &#8220;PALIN / BACHMANN IN 2012&#8243;  that will make it clear that  the Republican Party must flush this &#8220;base&#8221; of crypto-Christian bigots into some third party sewer if it is ever to rebuild on true conservative principles, about which you are clueless and for which there is not enough space here to explain.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but Dr. Dobson wasn&#039;t trying to scare you but to get you to think, critically.  And what he had to say is not hyperbole nor is it exaggeration solely for effect, but has been done before in history and by other men.  Much of the tragedy in the church today (indeed, the world) could be avoided by two things: a thorough study of world history and an understanding of the fullness of scripture, church tradition, and an application of such.  Decisions, attitudes and viewpoints based upon chronological snobbery do little to help an individual think carefully and weigh all that is presented to him or herself with wisdom.  Information must be sifted, the truth, no matter how minor, extracted and given respect in one&#039;s overall view and understanding.  Our guide is the Christ and the Holy Spirit who works not in one group or one individual, but throughout the entire body of the Christ.  And the Christ knows who are His own as a Shepherd knows his own sheep.  Have you made sure you are listening to the Master&#039;s voice? Do you know how to make sure?   When individuals claim a party or person as having the answers to those hard conditions we were warned about, other than the Christ in his fullness, then one is apt to feel a some &quot;messiah&quot; has come to make life easier, which we were never promised on a stable basis in this life.  To think that you or any group or any man or woman is going to make the world a better place is a very dangerous attitude, for it lulls the mind into a state ready to accept the anti-Christ who will indeed present a far &quot;better&quot; answer than either Mr. McCain or Mr. Obama has.  If that is your entire focus, a &quot;better life&quot; here and now, please reread what the real Christ has already told us and find peace in Him as your focus no matter what you may endure for a short time here. Put your faith in what you already know to be true about the real Savior.  So do what you can, good, toward your neighbors and put your focus on the real life as our Lord asked us to do..not on any political &quot;messiah&quot;.  thank you for your time and your patience.  God bless you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but Dr. Dobson wasn&#8217;t trying to scare you but to get you to think, critically.  And what he had to say is not hyperbole nor is it exaggeration solely for effect, but has been done before in history and by other men.  Much of the tragedy in the church today (indeed, the world) could be avoided by two things: a thorough study of world history and an understanding of the fullness of scripture, church tradition, and an application of such.  Decisions, attitudes and viewpoints based upon chronological snobbery do little to help an individual think carefully and weigh all that is presented to him or herself with wisdom.  Information must be sifted, the truth, no matter how minor, extracted and given respect in one&#8217;s overall view and understanding.  Our guide is the Christ and the Holy Spirit who works not in one group or one individual, but throughout the entire body of the Christ.  And the Christ knows who are His own as a Shepherd knows his own sheep.  Have you made sure you are listening to the Master&#8217;s voice? Do you know how to make sure?   When individuals claim a party or person as having the answers to those hard conditions we were warned about, other than the Christ in his fullness, then one is apt to feel a some &#8220;messiah&#8221; has come to make life easier, which we were never promised on a stable basis in this life.  To think that you or any group or any man or woman is going to make the world a better place is a very dangerous attitude, for it lulls the mind into a state ready to accept the anti-Christ who will indeed present a far &#8220;better&#8221; answer than either Mr. McCain or Mr. Obama has.  If that is your entire focus, a &#8220;better life&#8221; here and now, please reread what the real Christ has already told us and find peace in Him as your focus no matter what you may endure for a short time here. Put your faith in what you already know to be true about the real Savior.  So do what you can, good, toward your neighbors and put your focus on the real life as our Lord asked us to do..not on any political &#8220;messiah&#8221;.  thank you for your time and your patience.  God bless you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve all made Dobson&#039;s point with the hatefulness and over-reaction illustrated by your comments.

Have any of you EVER listened to any Focus on the Family radio broadcasts (they&#039;re available as podcasts) or read any of Dobson&#039;s books on children or marriage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve all made Dobson&#8217;s point with the hatefulness and over-reaction illustrated by your comments.</p>
<p>Have any of you EVER listened to any Focus on the Family radio broadcasts (they&#8217;re available as podcasts) or read any of Dobson&#8217;s books on children or marriage?</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Tranchina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey Tranchina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The risk of overdetermining on these Evangelical nitwits, it that it skews our discourse..  Adlei Stevenson (1900-1965) used to say: &quot;The Average American is a whole lot better than average.&quot;  We need to get back to talking construction positions that speak to that average american and stop pitching to the dirty-curtains of backwardness an bigotry. Let them stew in their own fears and frustrations (just watch them enough to see where they point their guns) and begin an uplifting dialogue about possible solutions to pressing problems.  

In the last post on the south of France, I dashed off the line: &quot;I live about 15 kilometers from Bezier in the seaport city of Sete…&quot; That&#039;s true, in fact the only home that I own in the world that&#039;s paid for is in France.  It is also true that part of each year I work in Silicon Valley directing a small non-profit.  We have a sign on my door that says: 
W.I.N.   -  What&#039;s Important NOW?  That&#039;s is the question I want focused on. That is the question that our deeply damaged and troubled nation must focus on IF we are to make things better.  The bitter and essentially trivial diversions that are important to these zealots only serve to divide us, drain our energy and impede our progress. They are only useful to conscienceless politicians like Pat Buchanan who find puerile &quot;culture wars&quot; useful for winning elections. America can&#039;t afford this anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The risk of overdetermining on these Evangelical nitwits, it that it skews our discourse..  Adlei Stevenson (1900-1965) used to say: &#8220;The Average American is a whole lot better than average.&#8221;  We need to get back to talking construction positions that speak to that average american and stop pitching to the dirty-curtains of backwardness an bigotry. Let them stew in their own fears and frustrations (just watch them enough to see where they point their guns) and begin an uplifting dialogue about possible solutions to pressing problems.  </p>
<p>In the last post on the south of France, I dashed off the line: &#8220;I live about 15 kilometers from Bezier in the seaport city of Sete…&#8221; That&#8217;s true, in fact the only home that I own in the world that&#8217;s paid for is in France.  It is also true that part of each year I work in Silicon Valley directing a small non-profit.  We have a sign on my door that says:<br />
W.I.N.   &#8211;  What&#8217;s Important NOW?  That&#8217;s is the question I want focused on. That is the question that our deeply damaged and troubled nation must focus on IF we are to make things better.  The bitter and essentially trivial diversions that are important to these zealots only serve to divide us, drain our energy and impede our progress. They are only useful to conscienceless politicians like Pat Buchanan who find puerile &#8220;culture wars&#8221; useful for winning elections. America can&#8217;t afford this anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Tranchina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey Tranchina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lex, October 26, 2008 at 6:18 pm :

I didn’t make it past the first couple of sentences of the link as it seemed to have the same tone as that which ignited the Albigensian Crusade in Languedoc.

Dear Lex:   That&#039;s very interesting history there in the Languedoc.  It is a perfect metaphor for what is going on in America. The Kings of France (that&#039;s what is northern france now) got together with a Pope and got permission to launch the only crusade ever fought against Christians in l&#039;Occitane (which is the name of the region &amp; the language of the land across the south of France with bits in Spain &amp; Italy) Occitane is also the language of the troubadour poetry...  The made it look like a holy war against a new more Gnostic Christian sect &quot; The Albigensians, and there was a new religion flourishing in the more tolerant south; Jews were also  tolerated even in public office, in fact, the mayor of Bezier was a Jew.  There are very long great stories, but the short of it is that it was the largest successful land-grab in medieval European history.  These Parisian princes could care less about this religion, they wanted the land and with the Pope&#039;s imprimatur the succeeded in stealing it.

The history is fascinating. Google &quot;Cathars&quot; - &quot;Catharism&quot; &amp; &quot;Albigensian Crusade&quot;  .

There is one story that&#039;s worth telling. When the Parisian Princes were laying seige to the city of Bezier (pop. about 22,000), where a couple of dozen &quot;heretics&quot; lived, they ordered the citizens of Bezier to turn them out and they said &quot;NO, these are good people they are our neighbors. They have done nothing wrong.&quot; The princes went to the Bishop and asked what to do. That bishop, whose name I have conveniently forgotten gave the final word on &quot;Christian&quot; fanaticism, when he said: &quot;Kill them all. God knows his own.&quot; Months later when those who had escaped before the siege attempted to return they could not walk on the cobble stone streets because they were still slippery with blood and fat of the 22,000 slaughtered residents of Bezier, France... I live about 15 kilometers from Bezier in the seaport city of Sete...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lex, October 26, 2008 at 6:18 pm :</p>
<p>I didn’t make it past the first couple of sentences of the link as it seemed to have the same tone as that which ignited the Albigensian Crusade in Languedoc.</p>
<p>Dear Lex:   That&#8217;s very interesting history there in the Languedoc.  It is a perfect metaphor for what is going on in America. The Kings of France (that&#8217;s what is northern france now) got together with a Pope and got permission to launch the only crusade ever fought against Christians in l&#8217;Occitane (which is the name of the region &amp; the language of the land across the south of France with bits in Spain &amp; Italy) Occitane is also the language of the troubadour poetry&#8230;  The made it look like a holy war against a new more Gnostic Christian sect &#8221; The Albigensians, and there was a new religion flourishing in the more tolerant south; Jews were also  tolerated even in public office, in fact, the mayor of Bezier was a Jew.  There are very long great stories, but the short of it is that it was the largest successful land-grab in medieval European history.  These Parisian princes could care less about this religion, they wanted the land and with the Pope&#8217;s imprimatur the succeeded in stealing it.</p>
<p>The history is fascinating. Google &#8220;Cathars&#8221; &#8211; &#8220;Catharism&#8221; &amp; &#8220;Albigensian Crusade&#8221;  .</p>
<p>There is one story that&#8217;s worth telling. When the Parisian Princes were laying seige to the city of Bezier (pop. about 22,000), where a couple of dozen &#8220;heretics&#8221; lived, they ordered the citizens of Bezier to turn them out and they said &#8220;NO, these are good people they are our neighbors. They have done nothing wrong.&#8221; The princes went to the Bishop and asked what to do. That bishop, whose name I have conveniently forgotten gave the final word on &#8220;Christian&#8221; fanaticism, when he said: &#8220;Kill them all. God knows his own.&#8221; Months later when those who had escaped before the siege attempted to return they could not walk on the cobble stone streets because they were still slippery with blood and fat of the 22,000 slaughtered residents of Bezier, France&#8230; I live about 15 kilometers from Bezier in the seaport city of Sete&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Tranchina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey Tranchina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;i don’t understand why *anyone* takes these freaks seriously...&quot;

Dear modchen:  I would like to take that attitude myself. It is not unreasonable.  Intellectually, philosophically, ethically, logically, morally... even theologically these people know NOTHING. it would seem that they could be dismissed by everyone with an IQ above room-temperature and they would just go away BUT that&#039;s not the case.

It&#039;s not the case first because the choose their victims carefully. They say things that are attractive to the frightened, the under-educated, the untraveled and in many cases the bigoted. They do things to make their prejudice seem respectable.  Anyone can research the Biblical justifications that were delineated for slavery and against woman&#039;s suffrage... this is not a new trick; it&#039;s an old hustle with new suckers.  The other factor is that the successful  demagogues (the Pat Robertsons &amp; James Dobsons for example) are subsidized by very rich right-wingers, who believe essentially in NOTHING other than the old fact that fools can be made useful if properly organized.  That makes the politics of hate, fear, division, backwardness and ignorance very powerful.  Jesse Helms &amp; Ronnie Reagan figured that out long ago (it wasn&#039;t a new trick then)) and it has paid off like a rigged slot machine for them ever since.  Anyway that&#039;s why these vicious folks and their cruel hoaxes won&#039;t go away if we ignore them, although, I confess, it is a pleasant thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;i don’t understand why *anyone* takes these freaks seriously&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Dear modchen:  I would like to take that attitude myself. It is not unreasonable.  Intellectually, philosophically, ethically, logically, morally&#8230; even theologically these people know NOTHING. it would seem that they could be dismissed by everyone with an IQ above room-temperature and they would just go away BUT that&#8217;s not the case.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the case first because the choose their victims carefully. They say things that are attractive to the frightened, the under-educated, the untraveled and in many cases the bigoted. They do things to make their prejudice seem respectable.  Anyone can research the Biblical justifications that were delineated for slavery and against woman&#8217;s suffrage&#8230; this is not a new trick; it&#8217;s an old hustle with new suckers.  The other factor is that the successful  demagogues (the Pat Robertsons &amp; James Dobsons for example) are subsidized by very rich right-wingers, who believe essentially in NOTHING other than the old fact that fools can be made useful if properly organized.  That makes the politics of hate, fear, division, backwardness and ignorance very powerful.  Jesse Helms &amp; Ronnie Reagan figured that out long ago (it wasn&#8217;t a new trick then)) and it has paid off like a rigged slot machine for them ever since.  Anyway that&#8217;s why these vicious folks and their cruel hoaxes won&#8217;t go away if we ignore them, although, I confess, it is a pleasant thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Tranchina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey Tranchina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again as usual, no one is willing to critique the concerns of the letter line by line but just yell “fear.” Christians such as myself have many of the fears brought up here. I am from Canada and the Christian message labeled as “hate speech” 

Dear Jacob Arminius:  If you think your &quot;Christianity&quot; and this presidential election are about my wife&#039;s abortion or my gay neighbor&#039;s marriage - two things that are essentially none of your business despite the preposterous nonsense that you seem to believe - you are a very confused fellow.  But that&#039;s OK. America is still a free country - despite the best efforts of good &quot;Christians&quot; like yourself.  There is a political party that needs your vote. It&#039;s the same  party that just demonstrated that - with your support - they could, send your job to China, steal your children&#039;s inheritance and bury your grandchildren in debt  and still  have NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.  So, it abortion and gay marriage are of primary important to you, go vote for John McCain &amp; Sarah Palin.  The votes will be counted on Tuesday.  We&#039;ll see how much all the hate-speech &amp; fear mongering by a mean-spirited and deceitful  lunatic-fringe of &quot;Christianity&quot; adds up to on Tuesday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again as usual, no one is willing to critique the concerns of the letter line by line but just yell “fear.” Christians such as myself have many of the fears brought up here. I am from Canada and the Christian message labeled as “hate speech” </p>
<p>Dear Jacob Arminius:  If you think your &#8220;Christianity&#8221; and this presidential election are about my wife&#8217;s abortion or my gay neighbor&#8217;s marriage &#8211; two things that are essentially none of your business despite the preposterous nonsense that you seem to believe &#8211; you are a very confused fellow.  But that&#8217;s OK. America is still a free country &#8211; despite the best efforts of good &#8220;Christians&#8221; like yourself.  There is a political party that needs your vote. It&#8217;s the same  party that just demonstrated that &#8211; with your support &#8211; they could, send your job to China, steal your children&#8217;s inheritance and bury your grandchildren in debt  and still  have NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.  So, it abortion and gay marriage are of primary important to you, go vote for John McCain &amp; Sarah Palin.  The votes will be counted on Tuesday.  We&#8217;ll see how much all the hate-speech &amp; fear mongering by a mean-spirited and deceitful  lunatic-fringe of &#8220;Christianity&#8221; adds up to on Tuesday.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Arminius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Arminius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again as usual, no one is willing to critique the concerns of the letter line by line but just yell &quot;fear.&quot;  Christians such as myself have many of the fears brought up here. I am from Canada and the Christian message labeled as &quot;hate speech&quot; is a growing reality there. Matthew 25 project is a sham - what about what this nation has done &quot;to the least of these&quot; killed in the womb? Yep, Jesus is pleased about that. And Jesus is really pleased that &quot;a man shall leave his father and mother and take to himself his wife and they be one flesh&quot; &quot;male and female in the beginning&quot; TO Adam and Steve getting &quot;married.&quot; Give me a break fake christian deceived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again as usual, no one is willing to critique the concerns of the letter line by line but just yell &#8220;fear.&#8221;  Christians such as myself have many of the fears brought up here. I am from Canada and the Christian message labeled as &#8220;hate speech&#8221; is a growing reality there. Matthew 25 project is a sham &#8211; what about what this nation has done &#8220;to the least of these&#8221; killed in the womb? Yep, Jesus is pleased about that. And Jesus is really pleased that &#8220;a man shall leave his father and mother and take to himself his wife and they be one flesh&#8221; &#8220;male and female in the beginning&#8221; TO Adam and Steve getting &#8220;married.&#8221; Give me a break fake christian deceived.</p>
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		<title>By: Jewel Mathias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jewel Mathias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2012 proves to me that Dobson is not only not a Christian, but is a very evil man.  McCain&#039;s first wife and children wished McCain had focussed on them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2012 proves to me that Dobson is not only not a Christian, but is a very evil man.  McCain&#8217;s first wife and children wished McCain had focussed on them</p>
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		<title>By: modchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>modchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>like i said to jaymarv, i know it&#039;s meant to be inflammatory, strike righteous terror into the hearts of knock-kneed pseudochristians everywhere, et c., et c., ad absurditas.... i just find it awesomely hilarious. cannot. stop. giggling.

i don&#039;t understand why *anyone* takes these freaks seriously, i guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>like i said to jaymarv, i know it&#8217;s meant to be inflammatory, strike righteous terror into the hearts of knock-kneed pseudochristians everywhere, et c., et c., ad absurditas&#8230;. i just find it awesomely hilarious. cannot. stop. giggling.</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t understand why *anyone* takes these freaks seriously, i guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Anacher Forester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anacher Forester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m impressed that Dobson believes Obama will get so much accomplished in his first term.

-AF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m impressed that Dobson believes Obama will get so much accomplished in his first term.</p>
<p>-AF</p>
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		<title>By: george a. hilborn</title>
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		<dc:creator>george a. hilborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dodson is not a member of any clergy or even a religious scholar just a self-constituted hack. I for one believe that religious organizations should be taxed on everything but their property. The mega-churchs could help make up the revenue short fall and their power would be substantially reduced in this great secular nation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dodson is not a member of any clergy or even a religious scholar just a self-constituted hack. I for one believe that religious organizations should be taxed on everything but their property. The mega-churchs could help make up the revenue short fall and their power would be substantially reduced in this great secular nation</p>
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		<title>By: Savantster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savantster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No matter what protectionist laws are enacted, business will find a way around them.&quot;

To correct your statement, no matter the laws enacted to protect the public, business favoring legislators will craft loopholes for their buddies.

The pro-corporate mentality of the right-wing is the single biggest reason I despise them. Money over life, profit over all else. It&#039;s pathetic and destructive. We, the people, have the ability and RIGHT to dictate to businesses exactly what they will and won&#039;t do, can and can&#039;t do.

Saying businesses some how have a &quot;power&quot;, or ability external to human dictate is to give them way too much credit. Humans, often greedy and selfish and corrupt, allow their human friends to abuse other humans from behind the curtain of their companies. We don&#039;t have to allow that. The Democratic party tends to get that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No matter what protectionist laws are enacted, business will find a way around them.&#8221;</p>
<p>To correct your statement, no matter the laws enacted to protect the public, business favoring legislators will craft loopholes for their buddies.</p>
<p>The pro-corporate mentality of the right-wing is the single biggest reason I despise them. Money over life, profit over all else. It&#8217;s pathetic and destructive. We, the people, have the ability and RIGHT to dictate to businesses exactly what they will and won&#8217;t do, can and can&#8217;t do.</p>
<p>Saying businesses some how have a &#8220;power&#8221;, or ability external to human dictate is to give them way too much credit. Humans, often greedy and selfish and corrupt, allow their human friends to abuse other humans from behind the curtain of their companies. We don&#8217;t have to allow that. The Democratic party tends to get that.</p>
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		<title>By: America in 2012 if Obama is Elected &#171; Chuck McCoy - The Evil Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>America in 2012 if Obama is Elected &#171; Chuck McCoy - The Evil Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/10/25/dobsons-election-strategy-focus-on-the-family-fear/ Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Now that Jerry Falwell is dead, what is Pat Robertson going to do come the &#8230;I will miss Jerry Falwell [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Byron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Byron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone should investigate this Dobson con.  What a piece of work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone should investigate this Dobson con.  What a piece of work.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And he follows the Prince of Peace, the Great Physician, Wonderful Counselor and the one who said turn your other cheek, and get the log out of your own eye before pointing out the splinter in sombody elses.
WWJD Jimmy D....dang you need to read the Bibie...I&#039;ll give you one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And he follows the Prince of Peace, the Great Physician, Wonderful Counselor and the one who said turn your other cheek, and get the log out of your own eye before pointing out the splinter in sombody elses.<br />
WWJD Jimmy D&#8230;.dang you need to read the Bibie&#8230;I&#8217;ll give you one</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Savanster,

I didn&#039;t miss your point but merely wanted to illustrate the arbitrage of money, business, and jobs from high cost, high tax areas to those places with lower costs.  No matter what protectionist laws are enacted, business will find a way around them.  Production will always go from high cost areas to lower cost areas.  As for Wal-Mart in China.  Their agreement with China in order to locate stores there included the presence of a union.  The unions in China are nothing like the Teamsters over here.  For Wal Mart, the union is another cost of doing business in China, although those managers in Bentonville are choking on the thought. Still, the weekly wage of a union worker at Wal Mart in China is less than the daily wage of a similar full time employee in the USA, and they get to work longer shifts and 6 day weeks in China.

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Savanster,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t miss your point but merely wanted to illustrate the arbitrage of money, business, and jobs from high cost, high tax areas to those places with lower costs.  No matter what protectionist laws are enacted, business will find a way around them.  Production will always go from high cost areas to lower cost areas.  As for Wal-Mart in China.  Their agreement with China in order to locate stores there included the presence of a union.  The unions in China are nothing like the Teamsters over here.  For Wal Mart, the union is another cost of doing business in China, although those managers in Bentonville are choking on the thought. Still, the weekly wage of a union worker at Wal Mart in China is less than the daily wage of a similar full time employee in the USA, and they get to work longer shifts and 6 day weeks in China.</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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