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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;You&#8217;re not really voting for John McCain, are you, Mom?&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: jeff watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Savanster:

I&#039;ll say this, you&#039;re certainly a piece of .

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Savanster:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say this, you&#8217;re certainly a piece of .</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Savantster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savantster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know... leaving that very well paying job that I had for 6 years, increasing my &quot;job instability&quot; to move 1/2 way across the country and take on large amounts of debt so I could be closer to my child, protect her, be there for her in her hour of need.. I clearly don&#039;t &quot;do the right thing&quot; by her.

Going to college to provide a better life for my child than I ever had.. not taking responsibility for my actions.

You&#039;re so right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know&#8230; leaving that very well paying job that I had for 6 years, increasing my &#8220;job instability&#8221; to move 1/2 way across the country and take on large amounts of debt so I could be closer to my child, protect her, be there for her in her hour of need.. I clearly don&#8217;t &#8220;do the right thing&#8221; by her.</p>
<p>Going to college to provide a better life for my child than I ever had.. not taking responsibility for my actions.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so right.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Savanster said,
&quot;Her mother got pregnant at 18 and needed help from the Government. They gave her food and shelter and after 2 years of letting her care for her child, sent her to school to get training to get a better job than she could have had with no training&quot;

Why weren&#039;t you doing the right thing and providing for your child instead of relying on the government.  One must be responsible for their actions, no matter what the cost.  You criticize a lot, but should look in the mirror.

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Savanster said,<br />
&#8220;Her mother got pregnant at 18 and needed help from the Government. They gave her food and shelter and after 2 years of letting her care for her child, sent her to school to get training to get a better job than she could have had with no training&#8221;</p>
<p>Why weren&#8217;t you doing the right thing and providing for your child instead of relying on the government.  One must be responsible for their actions, no matter what the cost.  You criticize a lot, but should look in the mirror.</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: JThompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JThompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My father is ex-military, lifelong republican, and refuses to listen to anything that isn&#039;t Rove approved.
Sadly, unlike Dr. Slammy&#039;s family, mine tends to look down on education. It just means I&#039;m for Obama because I&#039;m a &quot;socialist liberal elitist&quot;. When pressed on it they can&#039;t give me a coherent definition for any one of those words, much less all three of them.
Except for my mom, who&#039;s voting for Obama and flat out said &quot;Your father and his family are idiots. You know better than to argue with them.&quot;
So far the best exchange has been &quot;You just hate him because he&#039;s not white and he&#039;s a Democrat.&quot; &quot;My father was a Democrat.&quot; with my mom shouting from another room &quot;Your father was a Wallace Democrat!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father is ex-military, lifelong republican, and refuses to listen to anything that isn&#8217;t Rove approved.<br />
Sadly, unlike Dr. Slammy&#8217;s family, mine tends to look down on education. It just means I&#8217;m for Obama because I&#8217;m a &#8220;socialist liberal elitist&#8221;. When pressed on it they can&#8217;t give me a coherent definition for any one of those words, much less all three of them.<br />
Except for my mom, who&#8217;s voting for Obama and flat out said &#8220;Your father and his family are idiots. You know better than to argue with them.&#8221;<br />
So far the best exchange has been &#8220;You just hate him because he&#8217;s not white and he&#8217;s a Democrat.&#8221; &#8220;My father was a Democrat.&#8221; with my mom shouting from another room &#8220;Your father was a Wallace Democrat!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two more years, Savantster, and your gorgeous child will no longer have to associate with her mother or idiot step father. Lucky for you they did not have time to infect her with the stupidity they both revel in.
My parents, both dead, would have voted for McCain. I can say I am glad they are gone and cannot do so. They were both bigots and stupid, closed minded people. Years ago when my daughter was a 5 year old, she read them both the riot act for saying the N word in her presence. They never said it again when we were around.
Fortunately for me, my husband&#039;s family is all D, but none of them are as rabid about it as I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two more years, Savantster, and your gorgeous child will no longer have to associate with her mother or idiot step father. Lucky for you they did not have time to infect her with the stupidity they both revel in.<br />
My parents, both dead, would have voted for McCain. I can say I am glad they are gone and cannot do so. They were both bigots and stupid, closed minded people. Years ago when my daughter was a 5 year old, she read them both the riot act for saying the N word in her presence. They never said it again when we were around.<br />
Fortunately for me, my husband&#8217;s family is all D, but none of them are as rabid about it as I am.</p>
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		<title>By: jackie sheeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackie sheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my family is a mixed bag (though everyone is, of course, certain that *they* are correct).

dad, fuggetaboutit. lifetime republican, retired cop, ultra conservative. he refuses to even listen to anything other than GOP talking points. this is not unexpected.

but! my mother and her brother (and his entire family) have become motivated as never before by this election. not only are they voting for obama, they have actually DONATED to his campaign -- something they have never done before.

i am looking forward to an obama landslide today.

fingers crossed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my family is a mixed bag (though everyone is, of course, certain that *they* are correct).</p>
<p>dad, fuggetaboutit. lifetime republican, retired cop, ultra conservative. he refuses to even listen to anything other than GOP talking points. this is not unexpected.</p>
<p>but! my mother and her brother (and his entire family) have become motivated as never before by this election. not only are they voting for obama, they have actually DONATED to his campaign &#8212; something they have never done before.</p>
<p>i am looking forward to an obama landslide today.</p>
<p>fingers crossed!</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the only &quot;lefty&quot; in my family, they love to forward all the right wing emails to everybody they know - and for some reason no one ever deletes the email address&#039; from all the other forwards.
I send them into http://myrightwingdad.blogspot.com/ a website where you can get your frustrations out by sending the crap your family sends you. If you go there the latest one sent in is mine, with the name of Wayne on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the only &#8220;lefty&#8221; in my family, they love to forward all the right wing emails to everybody they know &#8211; and for some reason no one ever deletes the email address&#8217; from all the other forwards.<br />
I send them into <a href="http://myrightwingdad.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://myrightwingdad.blogspot.com/</a> a website where you can get your frustrations out by sending the crap your family sends you. If you go there the latest one sent in is mine, with the name of Wayne on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in the 70s I was a Young Republican. My 1st vote for president was cast in favor of Carter. I saw no conflict with that and I see no conflict now in casting a vote for Obama.

Nearly all of my family is voting for Obama, except my parents.. and one of my brothers ( I think).

My dad(72 yrs old) actually used the same words to describe Obama that I use to describe McCain: &#039;He&#039;s a blithering idiot!&#039; (of course my dad&#039;s taxes will go up under the Obama tax plan)

My mom won&#039;t tell any of us who she&#039;s voting for, a sure sign she&#039;s a McCain supporter. Very, very active Southern Baptist, watches only local affiliate news, believes whatever is said there or in the local paper. Asked me last week if I thought Obama was really &#039;natural born&#039; and did I think he could be the antichrist? 

She already voted early in NC, and says she voted for &#039;Goofy, all the way down&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the 70s I was a Young Republican. My 1st vote for president was cast in favor of Carter. I saw no conflict with that and I see no conflict now in casting a vote for Obama.</p>
<p>Nearly all of my family is voting for Obama, except my parents.. and one of my brothers ( I think).</p>
<p>My dad(72 yrs old) actually used the same words to describe Obama that I use to describe McCain: &#8216;He&#8217;s a blithering idiot!&#8217; (of course my dad&#8217;s taxes will go up under the Obama tax plan)</p>
<p>My mom won&#8217;t tell any of us who she&#8217;s voting for, a sure sign she&#8217;s a McCain supporter. Very, very active Southern Baptist, watches only local affiliate news, believes whatever is said there or in the local paper. Asked me last week if I thought Obama was really &#8216;natural born&#8217; and did I think he could be the antichrist? </p>
<p>She already voted early in NC, and says she voted for &#8216;Goofy, all the way down&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo to your daughter, Savantster. Bravo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo to your daughter, Savantster. Bravo.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Bosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Bosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been blessed with an immediate family that is not terribly biased towards one political party or the other. My mother is a moderate and while my father is a Republican he is always open to discussion on the issues, and when at times he does seem overbearing I mention it to him and he takes a step back to take a breather and let me speak. And that is the perfect response in my opinion.

I, being a moderate myself, enjoy a view from outside the party lines and tend to take a neutral stance on most subjects until I can make a reasonable judgment of my own. My problem with radicals on either side of the fence is a tendency for them to be unable to listen to those with differing views or explain their own view points in a logical manner. Believe in whatever you wish to believe in but when I ask you why you feel that way, please have a reason to back up your viewpoint and should I offer a counter-argument do not dismiss it simply because it does not groove with your way of thinking. Instead, open your ears and truly listen to what might be a completely valid response that could in turn affect your point of view on matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been blessed with an immediate family that is not terribly biased towards one political party or the other. My mother is a moderate and while my father is a Republican he is always open to discussion on the issues, and when at times he does seem overbearing I mention it to him and he takes a step back to take a breather and let me speak. And that is the perfect response in my opinion.</p>
<p>I, being a moderate myself, enjoy a view from outside the party lines and tend to take a neutral stance on most subjects until I can make a reasonable judgment of my own. My problem with radicals on either side of the fence is a tendency for them to be unable to listen to those with differing views or explain their own view points in a logical manner. Believe in whatever you wish to believe in but when I ask you why you feel that way, please have a reason to back up your viewpoint and should I offer a counter-argument do not dismiss it simply because it does not groove with your way of thinking. Instead, open your ears and truly listen to what might be a completely valid response that could in turn affect your point of view on matters.</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, man...what a question.  i tried to stick to my policy of not ever talking about politics or anything real-life with my parents, but then i made the mistake of talking about how exciting the DNC was.  suddenly (or so it seemed to me) my mother came out hard for McCain and then nearly swooned with joy when Palin was added to the ticket.  my mother compares Palin to Theodore Roosevelt.  

because they both hunt moose.

*sigh*

anyway, i have not spoken with them for over a month now (and they have not spoken to me, either, mind you) because i finally requested that she stop sending me political forwards that were false and slanderous (regarding any of the cnadidates) and to please use snopes or factcheck before she forwards things.  which apparently made me the &quot;enemy&quot; and we are now in a familial cold-war.

politics will be the death of me this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, man&#8230;what a question.  i tried to stick to my policy of not ever talking about politics or anything real-life with my parents, but then i made the mistake of talking about how exciting the DNC was.  suddenly (or so it seemed to me) my mother came out hard for McCain and then nearly swooned with joy when Palin was added to the ticket.  my mother compares Palin to Theodore Roosevelt.  </p>
<p>because they both hunt moose.</p>
<p>*sigh*</p>
<p>anyway, i have not spoken with them for over a month now (and they have not spoken to me, either, mind you) because i finally requested that she stop sending me political forwards that were false and slanderous (regarding any of the cnadidates) and to please use snopes or factcheck before she forwards things.  which apparently made me the &#8220;enemy&#8221; and we are now in a familial cold-war.</p>
<p>politics will be the death of me this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Ivins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Ivins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;ll just make her tougher, S, because it makes her think.  I grew up in Redneck Central and I&#039;m the bitchiest, bra-burningest, mouthiest female I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;ll just make her tougher, S, because it makes her think.  I grew up in Redneck Central and I&#8217;m the bitchiest, bra-burningest, mouthiest female I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Savantster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savantster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My issue is that my 16 year old daughter spends 1/2 her time with me, and 1/2 with her mother.

Her mother got pregnant at 18 and needed help from the Government. They gave her food and shelter and after 2 years of letting her care for her child, sent her to school to get training to get a better job than she could have had with no training.

She votes Republican (if she votes), in part because she doesn&#039;t want her tax dollars going to some &quot;dirtbag welfare queen&quot;. When I say &quot;oh, like you where?&quot; .. well.. you can imagine.

Now, my child spends significant time with me, and I engage her in the political process. I ask her about things that are going on in the world, how she feels about certain things, what she thinks is right, decent. I also teach her to think critically so she can pick apart logical fallacies when someone brings them to her. I think those are important skills in general.

My 16 year old child watched the VP debate and just about dropped her jaw at times while Palin was talking. It tickled me to hear her say &quot;Did she just manage 20 words and not actually say anything?&quot;. Then came &quot;how the hell do you go to a debate and say you aren&#039;t going to answer questions?&quot;

So my very open minded child has to spend every other week with her mom. And on occasion, her step dad is home (he volunteered for active duty, again, once his baby was born). He&#039;s a hard core white trash Republican. He actually said to her &quot;I&#039;d rather have a hooters chick as president than some damn black muslim!&quot;. ... when my daughter said &quot;well, that&#039;s pretty racist of you, don&#039;t you think?&quot; he said.. &quot;I&#039;m not racist, I hate all of &#039;em!&quot;.

Not once during their .... discussion did he defend McCain or Palin, he simply tossed out all the right-wing talking points about Obama. Muslim, Ayres, Socialist, etc etc. And when he wasn&#039;t able to sway her, he asked her &quot;what the hell do you even have an opinion for anyway?&quot;. Apparently, 16 year old young adults aren&#039;t supposed to be thinking, yet.

At one point her mother barked at her &quot;why don&#039;t you just call your dad and ask him what you should say!&quot;. Well, that doesn&#039;t sit well with someone that thought they had their own opinions, nor is it fair bring such things up during a conversation, even one you&#039;re losing. And it&#039;s pretty annoying to me that 2 adults were ganging up on my child instead of trying to have a rational discussion. Of course, that&#039;s what Palin is trying to do, bring about more of that divisiveness between parties.

So my conflict is mostly that my beautiful daughter with a brilliant mind is subjected to low brow redneckedness on a regular basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My issue is that my 16 year old daughter spends 1/2 her time with me, and 1/2 with her mother.</p>
<p>Her mother got pregnant at 18 and needed help from the Government. They gave her food and shelter and after 2 years of letting her care for her child, sent her to school to get training to get a better job than she could have had with no training.</p>
<p>She votes Republican (if she votes), in part because she doesn&#8217;t want her tax dollars going to some &#8220;dirtbag welfare queen&#8221;. When I say &#8220;oh, like you where?&#8221; .. well.. you can imagine.</p>
<p>Now, my child spends significant time with me, and I engage her in the political process. I ask her about things that are going on in the world, how she feels about certain things, what she thinks is right, decent. I also teach her to think critically so she can pick apart logical fallacies when someone brings them to her. I think those are important skills in general.</p>
<p>My 16 year old child watched the VP debate and just about dropped her jaw at times while Palin was talking. It tickled me to hear her say &#8220;Did she just manage 20 words and not actually say anything?&#8221;. Then came &#8220;how the hell do you go to a debate and say you aren&#8217;t going to answer questions?&#8221;</p>
<p>So my very open minded child has to spend every other week with her mom. And on occasion, her step dad is home (he volunteered for active duty, again, once his baby was born). He&#8217;s a hard core white trash Republican. He actually said to her &#8220;I&#8217;d rather have a hooters chick as president than some damn black muslim!&#8221;. &#8230; when my daughter said &#8220;well, that&#8217;s pretty racist of you, don&#8217;t you think?&#8221; he said.. &#8220;I&#8217;m not racist, I hate all of &#8216;em!&#8221;.</p>
<p>Not once during their &#8230;. discussion did he defend McCain or Palin, he simply tossed out all the right-wing talking points about Obama. Muslim, Ayres, Socialist, etc etc. And when he wasn&#8217;t able to sway her, he asked her &#8220;what the hell do you even have an opinion for anyway?&#8221;. Apparently, 16 year old young adults aren&#8217;t supposed to be thinking, yet.</p>
<p>At one point her mother barked at her &#8220;why don&#8217;t you just call your dad and ask him what you should say!&#8221;. Well, that doesn&#8217;t sit well with someone that thought they had their own opinions, nor is it fair bring such things up during a conversation, even one you&#8217;re losing. And it&#8217;s pretty annoying to me that 2 adults were ganging up on my child instead of trying to have a rational discussion. Of course, that&#8217;s what Palin is trying to do, bring about more of that divisiveness between parties.</p>
<p>So my conflict is mostly that my beautiful daughter with a brilliant mind is subjected to low brow redneckedness on a regular basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Ivins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Ivins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Gritting their teeth and voting for McCain?” Is that like &quot;just close your eyes and think of England?&quot; ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Gritting their teeth and voting for McCain?” Is that like &#8220;just close your eyes and think of England?&#8221; <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lara Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lara Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know my in-laws are all voting Obama.  For some strange reason I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND my mother-in-law got it in her head I was voting McCain.  Now I&#039;ve always voted Democrat for president and gotten into some great conversations with her husband (a die hard Dem) talking about &quot;those damn Republicans&quot;.  It&#039;s her SON (my husband) who&#039;s voted for Bush in the past,and even he is voting Obama.    

My parents on the other hand are &quot;gritting their teeth and voting for McCain&quot;.  I&#039;ve never heard of them voting for a democrat, so I&#039;m not surprised.  My mother actually started to argue the &quot;we aren&#039;t even sure if he&#039;s a US citizen&quot; Obama talk.  &quot;Well it&#039;s not a real birth certificate, it&#039;s a certificate of live birth.&quot;  So?  Mom, I can name quite a few people who don&#039;t still have their original certificate and had to request a copy (my husband for one).  They look EXACTLY like the one from Obama.  Why the demand for a conspiracy?  For my parents I don&#039;t think it&#039;s race based, they are just conservative in their politics.      

Lara Amber</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know my in-laws are all voting Obama.  For some strange reason I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND my mother-in-law got it in her head I was voting McCain.  Now I&#8217;ve always voted Democrat for president and gotten into some great conversations with her husband (a die hard Dem) talking about &#8220;those damn Republicans&#8221;.  It&#8217;s her SON (my husband) who&#8217;s voted for Bush in the past,and even he is voting Obama.    </p>
<p>My parents on the other hand are &#8220;gritting their teeth and voting for McCain&#8221;.  I&#8217;ve never heard of them voting for a democrat, so I&#8217;m not surprised.  My mother actually started to argue the &#8220;we aren&#8217;t even sure if he&#8217;s a US citizen&#8221; Obama talk.  &#8220;Well it&#8217;s not a real birth certificate, it&#8217;s a certificate of live birth.&#8221;  So?  Mom, I can name quite a few people who don&#8217;t still have their original certificate and had to request a copy (my husband for one).  They look EXACTLY like the one from Obama.  Why the demand for a conspiracy?  For my parents I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s race based, they are just conservative in their politics.      </p>
<p>Lara Amber</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Ivins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Ivins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my conundrum. In the interest of family harmony, my parents-in-law and I do not discuss politics, national security, racial issues, homosexuality, feminism... and yet, I &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; these people. 

If an illegal Arabic lesbian immigrant in an &quot;I Heart Saddam&quot; t-shirt carrying a Planned Parenthood banner collapsed on their doorstep, they would carry her in, feed her, let her stay in the guest room, find her an immigration attorney, take her to the Mary Kay salon, get her a job, sneak new clothes into her bags, and manage to ignore everything about her they didn&#039;t understand. 

Go figure. Tomorrow my father-in-law and I will cancel out each other&#039;s ballots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my conundrum. In the interest of family harmony, my parents-in-law and I do not discuss politics, national security, racial issues, homosexuality, feminism&#8230; and yet, I <i>know</i> these people. </p>
<p>If an illegal Arabic lesbian immigrant in an &#8220;I Heart Saddam&#8221; t-shirt carrying a Planned Parenthood banner collapsed on their doorstep, they would carry her in, feed her, let her stay in the guest room, find her an immigration attorney, take her to the Mary Kay salon, get her a job, sneak new clothes into her bags, and manage to ignore everything about her they didn&#8217;t understand. </p>
<p>Go figure. Tomorrow my father-in-law and I will cancel out each other&#8217;s ballots.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rho, Absolutely! Their perception comes from intentionally insulating themselves, only talking to people who agree with them. Any deviance from their model is considered...well, deviance. They don&#039;t actually make an effort to classify people--they assume that everyone they meet is Christian, anti-abortion, and Republican. When someone disrupts that worldview, as when their son who is a Christian tells them that he is pro-choice and politically liberal, they are dumbfounded and do not know how to respond. This is true of my husband&#039;s parents and well as his siblings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rho, Absolutely! Their perception comes from intentionally insulating themselves, only talking to people who agree with them. Any deviance from their model is considered&#8230;well, deviance. They don&#8217;t actually make an effort to classify people&#8211;they assume that everyone they meet is Christian, anti-abortion, and Republican. When someone disrupts that worldview, as when their son who is a Christian tells them that he is pro-choice and politically liberal, they are dumbfounded and do not know how to respond. This is true of my husband&#8217;s parents and well as his siblings.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I come from a family of people who can talk themselves into all kinds of silliness, I fear. I try to be as productive as I can, but when people base voting decisions on things that are factually false, and when they find a way to believe cynical lies, well, sometimes we have to speak directly. My family hasn&#039;t always liked what I&#039;ve had to say, but they also know, from long experience, that when they debate me they&#039;re going to be asked to defend what they believe. And they know that I&#039;m not going to be quiet about stupidity.

Of course, my family dynamic isn&#039;t like most people&#039;s, I realize. I get away with things that would create real problems elsewhere. I&#039;m the oldest son and the only one who pursued an education, and I spend a lot of time trying to understand things in some detail. All of which means that in a Southern working class environment, I have a lot of traditional heft in my corner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come from a family of people who can talk themselves into all kinds of silliness, I fear. I try to be as productive as I can, but when people base voting decisions on things that are factually false, and when they find a way to believe cynical lies, well, sometimes we have to speak directly. My family hasn&#8217;t always liked what I&#8217;ve had to say, but they also know, from long experience, that when they debate me they&#8217;re going to be asked to defend what they believe. And they know that I&#8217;m not going to be quiet about stupidity.</p>
<p>Of course, my family dynamic isn&#8217;t like most people&#8217;s, I realize. I get away with things that would create real problems elsewhere. I&#8217;m the oldest son and the only one who pursued an education, and I spend a lot of time trying to understand things in some detail. All of which means that in a Southern working class environment, I have a lot of traditional heft in my corner.</p>
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		<title>By: Rho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah,

you in-laws would have serious issues classifying me then. I&#039;m a registered republican and a non-christian.  (I already voted for Obama this election even as a republican).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah,</p>
<p>you in-laws would have serious issues classifying me then. I&#8217;m a registered republican and a non-christian.  (I already voted for Obama this election even as a republican).</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff--When in the company of my in-laws I find myself steering the conversation to babies and television for the same reason! I will adamantly argue with my own parents, who are also conservative, but I feel more secure with them and also find them to be more reasonable generally. What I find most frustrating when talking to my in-laws is that the ignorance is deliberate. They don&#039;t WANT to know anything, and they say so in precisely those terms. My in-laws, young and old, are one-issue voters--and that issue, of course, is abortion. The fact that the staunchly anti-abortion president that has been in office for eight years has not overturned Roe v. Wade is irrelevant to them. It is not so much that they believe that an anti-abortion president will result in changing abortion law. It is that they believe that they are committing a sin if they vote for a pro-choice candidate. And they believe that my husband and I are following the path of Satan when we vote for Obama. I am not exaggerating. My fil has expressed fear for the state of our souls. The dichotomy of Republican/Christian and Democrat/non-Christian governs their perception of politics, they cannot conceive of morality outside of Christianity. Democrat=non-Christian and non-Christian=evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff&#8211;When in the company of my in-laws I find myself steering the conversation to babies and television for the same reason! I will adamantly argue with my own parents, who are also conservative, but I feel more secure with them and also find them to be more reasonable generally. What I find most frustrating when talking to my in-laws is that the ignorance is deliberate. They don&#8217;t WANT to know anything, and they say so in precisely those terms. My in-laws, young and old, are one-issue voters&#8211;and that issue, of course, is abortion. The fact that the staunchly anti-abortion president that has been in office for eight years has not overturned Roe v. Wade is irrelevant to them. It is not so much that they believe that an anti-abortion president will result in changing abortion law. It is that they believe that they are committing a sin if they vote for a pro-choice candidate. And they believe that my husband and I are following the path of Satan when we vote for Obama. I am not exaggerating. My fil has expressed fear for the state of our souls. The dichotomy of Republican/Christian and Democrat/non-Christian governs their perception of politics, they cannot conceive of morality outside of Christianity. Democrat=non-Christian and non-Christian=evil.</p>
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