Comments on: Revenge of the Surge http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/ Think - it ain't illegal yet... Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:32:11 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Scholars and Rogues » Israeli-Palestinian conflict: the final solution? http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60286 Scholars and Rogues » Israeli-Palestinian conflict: the final solution? Fri, 02 Jan 2009 00:26:09 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60286 [...] can do that a number of ways - economic reconstruction, improved human rights and greater freedoms, bribry - but you can’t do it by bombing neighborhoods or destroying government buildings. Bombing [...] [...] can do that a number of ways – economic reconstruction, improved human rights and greater freedoms, bribry – but you can’t do it by bombing neighborhoods or destroying government buildings. Bombing [...]

]]> By: Jeff Huber http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60266 Jeff Huber Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:58:20 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60266 Yes, that's one of several "desirable" outcomes. Whatever it takes to make us need to stay there forever. Yes, that’s one of several “desirable” outcomes. Whatever it takes to make us need to stay there forever.

]]> By: rich http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60256 rich Thu, 01 Jan 2009 04:13:59 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60256 It seems like the real strategy is to get Iraqis to fight a civil war among themselves -- similar to the double-dealing of the Reaganites in arming both Iraq and Iran. If there's no booty for US, at least "we" sold a lot of weapons (to ourselves). It seems like the real strategy is to get Iraqis to fight a civil war among themselves — similar to the double-dealing of the Reaganites in arming both Iraq and Iran. If there’s no booty for US, at least “we” sold a lot of weapons (to ourselves).

]]> By: Jeff Huber http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60250 Jeff Huber Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:38:08 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60250 They could be cooks and janitors, they're still in harms way, they still need to be armed and protected. J They could be cooks and janitors, they’re still in harms way, they still need to be armed and protected.

J

]]> By: Ann Ivins http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60249 Ann Ivins Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:18:56 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60249 Those would be "peacekeepers" or possibly "advisors?" Those would be “peacekeepers” or possibly “advisors?”

]]> By: Jeff Huber http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60241 Jeff Huber Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:32:15 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60241 What if we keep a permanent military base there but don't call the people who man it "combat troops?" What if we keep a permanent military base there but don’t call the people who man it “combat troops?”

]]> By: Sporty http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60239 Sporty Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:59:59 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60239 How can our government promise protection to the foreign and domestic oil companies while they steal the oil resource in Iraq , if we do not keep a permanent military base there... Bush lies and now our democrats follow suit... How can our government promise protection to the foreign and domestic oil companies while they steal the oil resource in Iraq , if we do not keep a permanent military base there…

Bush lies and now our democrats follow suit…

]]> By: Jeff Huber http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60237 Jeff Huber Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:44:28 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60237 The war to end all wars had unintended consequences. ;-) The war to end all wars had unintended consequences. ;-)

]]> By: henry http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60233 henry Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:27:27 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60233 this is the begining of a 100 year war. with no end insight. what happened with the war to end all wars? this is the begining of a 100 year war. with no end insight. what happened with the war to end all wars?

]]> By: Jeff Huber http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60231 Jeff Huber Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:50:35 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60231 Agree Carol. Lex, well said. New words, same bull feathers. Jeff Agree Carol. Lex, well said. New words, same bull feathers.

Jeff

]]> By: Lex http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60230 Lex Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:47:20 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60230 Cmdr. Huber: I'm afraid that BO's silence speaks volumes. Our approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will, i'm afraid, not change come Jan 21st. But it will be apologized for with the word "pragmatic", even though the most pragmatic course would be to suspend US military aid to Israel until such time as everyone has been to the table and produced a workable plan that is not only being acted on, but almost impossible to break. I'm afraid that we'll soon see the same international behavior with new words to describe it, delivered with a smile. The empire has gone gangrenous but we'll keep hoping for a cure rather than accept the amputation. Cmdr. Huber: I’m afraid that BO’s silence speaks volumes. Our approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will, i’m afraid, not change come Jan 21st. But it will be apologized for with the word “pragmatic”, even though the most pragmatic course would be to suspend US military aid to Israel until such time as everyone has been to the table and produced a workable plan that is not only being acted on, but almost impossible to break.

I’m afraid that we’ll soon see the same international behavior with new words to describe it, delivered with a smile. The empire has gone gangrenous but we’ll keep hoping for a cure rather than accept the amputation.

]]> By: Carol Davidek-Waller http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60223 Carol Davidek-Waller Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:23:01 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60223 Ahem, that should read "Afghanistan isn't failing because it lacks a larger US military presence but because it lacks a strong central government and the country is a shambles". Ahem, that should read “Afghanistan isn’t failing because it lacks a larger US military presence but because it lacks a strong central government and the country is a shambles”.

]]> By: Carol Davidek-Waller http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60222 Carol Davidek-Waller Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:19:14 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60222 Isn't arming local militias how Al Qaida came to be? How do the only people in the entire nation incapable of learning from their mistakes end up running the US military? With the largest military budget on the planet, surely we can buy something better.. There is no military solution in Afghanistan and arming an all ready fractious nation is a recipe for disaster. As with Al Qaida, this is practically guaranteed to bite us in the a--. Afghanistan is failing because they lack a larger US miilitary presence but the don't have a strong central government and the country is impoverished and in ruins. Karzai has failed to build a constituency in Iraq. Instead he has chosen to repesent the interests of big energy and US plutocrats. The Afghans understand this and there is a struggle to fill the power vacuum. Afghanistan has not been rebuilt as promised . If the US would spend the money it uses to kill members of wedding parties and friendly soldiers on infrastructure, helping the Afghans set up a viable bureacracy to deliver needed service run by leaders they trust, we could turn this thing around. I don't think there's is any interest in that. The powers that be want to keep Afghanistan in turmoil so there will be an excuse for continuing US military presence. Permanent US military bases squat along the pipeling pushed through right after Karzai was sellected. As sure as day follows night, an extremist Islamic government follows in the wake of self serving meddling by Western Powers. Isn’t arming local militias how Al Qaida came to be? How do the only people in the entire nation incapable of learning from their mistakes end up running the US military? With the largest military budget on the planet, surely we can buy something better..
There is no military solution in Afghanistan and arming an all ready fractious nation is a recipe for disaster. As with Al Qaida, this is practically guaranteed to bite us in the a–.
Afghanistan is failing because they lack a larger US miilitary presence but the don’t have a strong central government and the country is impoverished and in ruins.
Karzai has failed to build a constituency in Iraq. Instead he has chosen to repesent the interests of big energy and US plutocrats. The Afghans understand this and there is a struggle to fill the power vacuum.
Afghanistan has not been rebuilt as promised . If the US would spend the money it uses to kill members of wedding parties and friendly soldiers on infrastructure, helping the Afghans set up a viable bureacracy to deliver needed service run by leaders they trust, we could turn this thing around.
I don’t think there’s is any interest in that. The powers that be want to keep Afghanistan in turmoil so there will be an excuse for continuing US military presence. Permanent US military bases squat along the pipeling pushed through right after Karzai was sellected.
As sure as day follows night, an extremist Islamic government follows in the wake of self serving meddling by Western Powers.

]]> By: Jeff Huber http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60221 Jeff Huber Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:59:42 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60221 re Gaza: I don't buy the "one president at a time" any more. BO needs to take a break in the surfin' safari and say enough, because the Bush administration is pulling a "Revenge of Lebanon" sequel. They'll blame the Palestinians and let Israel do whatever it wants until Israel gets a boo boo then Keystone Kondi will be crying for a cease fire. J re Gaza: I don’t buy the “one president at a time” any more. BO needs to take a break in the surfin’ safari and say enough, because the Bush administration is pulling a “Revenge of Lebanon” sequel. They’ll blame the Palestinians and let Israel do whatever it wants until Israel gets a boo boo then Keystone Kondi will be crying for a cease fire.

J

]]> By: Ann Ivins http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60220 Ann Ivins Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:44:44 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60220 What response? Oh wait, that <i>is</i> the response. What response? Oh wait, that is the response.

]]> By: Lex http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60218 Lex Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:12:45 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60218 Ah yes, the classic PNAC paper. And Scott Ritter has said that Clinton ordered the inspectors out before he told the American people that the inspectors were being forced to leave. He wanted to go into Iraq too, but the crowd (it was Dayton, i believe) popped his trial balloon so he just did a little bombing. It's beginning to look like Obama will walk squarely in a long line of foreign policy disasters. Afghanistan will soon become his war, and it will fail. I predict that the situation will worsen in proportion to the number of troops sent to improve the situation. And i agree that his response to the Gaza "situation" has been atrocious. Ah yes, the classic PNAC paper. And Scott Ritter has said that Clinton ordered the inspectors out before he told the American people that the inspectors were being forced to leave. He wanted to go into Iraq too, but the crowd (it was Dayton, i believe) popped his trial balloon so he just did a little bombing.

It’s beginning to look like Obama will walk squarely in a long line of foreign policy disasters. Afghanistan will soon become his war, and it will fail. I predict that the situation will worsen in proportion to the number of troops sent to improve the situation. And i agree that his response to the Gaza “situation” has been atrocious.

]]> By: Ann Ivins http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60217 Ann Ivins Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:02:23 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60217 Thank you; off to read. Thank you; off to read.

]]> By: Jeff Huber http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60216 Jeff Huber Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:22:10 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60216 Lots of links at this old article: http://zenhuber.blogspot.com/search?q=new+pearl+harbor The neos said up front they wanted to occupy Iraq in Sept 2000, they wrote about it well before then. Lots of links at this old article:

http://zenhuber.blogspot.com/search?q=new+pearl+harbor

The neos said up front they wanted to occupy Iraq in Sept 2000, they wrote about it well before then.

]]> By: Ann Ivins http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/12/30/revenge-of-the-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-60215 Ann Ivins Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:18:21 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=6274#comment-60215 <i>Permanent occupation of Iraq was the operational and strategic objective all along, of course, even before 9/11, even before young Mr. Bush was selected to head the neoconservative ticket.</i> I'm sure you've written about this; could you provide a link? I'd like to read more. Permanent occupation of Iraq was the operational and strategic objective all along, of course, even before 9/11, even before young Mr. Bush was selected to head the neoconservative ticket.

I’m sure you’ve written about this; could you provide a link? I’d like to read more.

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