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		<title>By: The Weekly Carboholic: independent statisticians reject recent global cooling claims in blind analysis &#124; Scholars and Rogues</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/01/16/weather-vs-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-96156</link>
		<dc:creator>The Weekly Carboholic: independent statisticians reject recent global cooling claims in blind analysis &#124; Scholars and Rogues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 22:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Climate disruption deniers have been claiming for years now that the global temperature has been cooling down, even though the temperature data clearly shows that it isn&#8217;t. Scientists and statisticians have pointed out that, mathematically speaking, the recent reduced warming trend is well within the noise, or put another way, it&#8217;s weather, not climate. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Climate disruption deniers have been claiming for years now that the global temperature has been cooling down, even though the temperature data clearly shows that it isn&#8217;t. Scientists and statisticians have pointed out that, mathematically speaking, the recent reduced warming trend is well within the noise, or put another way, it&#8217;s weather, not climate. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; Heartland distorts AMS climate survey results, paper</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/01/16/weather-vs-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-76742</link>
		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; Heartland distorts AMS climate survey results, paper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] need more education into the differences between climatology and meteorology, between climate and weather. From the paper; In his blog, John Coleman makes many reasonable assertions, but one in particular [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] need more education into the differences between climatology and meteorology, between climate and weather. From the paper; In his blog, John Coleman makes many reasonable assertions, but one in particular [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; Trust us &#8211; we&#8217;re smarter than you: climate and Superfreakonomics</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/01/16/weather-vs-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-75075</link>
		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; Trust us &#8211; we&#8217;re smarter than you: climate and Superfreakonomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has such a short term effect, and the effects are so localized, that they&#8217;re essentially weather, not climate. Four years after Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, the city is recovering and the parts of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has such a short term effect, and the effects are so localized, that they&#8217;re essentially weather, not climate. Four years after Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, the city is recovering and the parts of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Brenne</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/01/16/weather-vs-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-70688</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Brenne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think scientists and the media need to work on their wording together (something I&#039;m doing with many NCAR, NOAA and other scientists).

From January 1, 2000 through July 21, 2009 according to the National Climatic Data Center, the U.S. had 288,783 heat records (mostly daily) compared to 140.072 cold records, so over a 2 to 1 ratio.

NCAR&#039;s Jerry Meehl is working on a paper where climate models predict the ratio of such heat to cold records will be 20 to 1 by 2050 and 50 to 1 by 2100.

Thus heat records are a part of a trend that is consistent with global warming and I feel that this should be communicated to the public, the only questions are how and when and what the most appropriate wording is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think scientists and the media need to work on their wording together (something I&#8217;m doing with many NCAR, NOAA and other scientists).</p>
<p>From January 1, 2000 through July 21, 2009 according to the National Climatic Data Center, the U.S. had 288,783 heat records (mostly daily) compared to 140.072 cold records, so over a 2 to 1 ratio.</p>
<p>NCAR&#8217;s Jerry Meehl is working on a paper where climate models predict the ratio of such heat to cold records will be 20 to 1 by 2050 and 50 to 1 by 2100.</p>
<p>Thus heat records are a part of a trend that is consistent with global warming and I feel that this should be communicated to the public, the only questions are how and when and what the most appropriate wording is.</p>
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		<title>By: prem ypi</title>
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		<dc:creator>prem ypi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really great list of explainations.. As such it was hard to distinguish in the usage otherwise..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really great list of explainations.. As such it was hard to distinguish in the usage otherwise..</p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; The Weekly Carboholic: Pew poll says climate lowest priority, but results are curious</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/01/16/weather-vs-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-61751</link>
		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; The Weekly Carboholic: Pew poll says climate lowest priority, but results are curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about a bunch of people who need to read up on the difference between weather and climate. They won&#8217;t, of course, since either they&#8217;re ignorant and don&#8217;t want to appear as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about a bunch of people who need to read up on the difference between weather and climate. They won&#8217;t, of course, since either they&#8217;re ignorant and don&#8217;t want to appear as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; The Weekly Carboholic: GISS and NOAA expect 2009 to be hotter than 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; The Weekly Carboholic: GISS and NOAA expect 2009 to be hotter than 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was cooler than 2007, it&#8217;s hardly a surprise that the deniers were out in force claiming that the cooler weather means that global warming was bunk. Utter hogwash, but not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was cooler than 2007, it&#8217;s hardly a surprise that the deniers were out in force claiming that the cooler weather means that global warming was bunk. Utter hogwash, but not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Savantster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savantster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Choir, Preacher.. Preacher, Choir.

The dufuses that need saving are still out on the street, not inside here where it&#039;s warm (no pun intended).

Although, aren&#039;t the &#039;droughts&#039; you&#039;re talking about consistently gaining in intensity, year after year? Soon, when we look back, it will have been &quot;for decades&quot;, making it climate, not weather. Hence, on one hand you can, if you&#039;re careful, watch climate happen just as you watch weather happen.. right? .. it&#039;s like watching grass grow (or die of drought), though.. you have to be patient :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Choir, Preacher.. Preacher, Choir.</p>
<p>The dufuses that need saving are still out on the street, not inside here where it&#8217;s warm (no pun intended).</p>
<p>Although, aren&#8217;t the &#8216;droughts&#8217; you&#8217;re talking about consistently gaining in intensity, year after year? Soon, when we look back, it will have been &#8220;for decades&#8221;, making it climate, not weather. Hence, on one hand you can, if you&#8217;re careful, watch climate happen just as you watch weather happen.. right? .. it&#8217;s like watching grass grow (or die of drought), though.. you have to be patient <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/01/16/weather-vs-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-60820</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dawn - No kidding!  I&#039;m sick of having to explain to climate disruption activists who should know better NOT to claim that a drought is &quot;global warming in action&quot; or other nonsense.  I shouldn&#039;t have to police people I agree with, dang it!  You want to talk to me about climate disruption, great, let&#039;s talk about &lt;em&gt;climate&lt;/em&gt;, not the bloody weather!  (Yes, this annoys me a little.  Does it show?  :)

Elaine - Thanks for the link.  Interesting read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawn &#8211; No kidding!  I&#8217;m sick of having to explain to climate disruption activists who should know better NOT to claim that a drought is &#8220;global warming in action&#8221; or other nonsense.  I shouldn&#8217;t have to police people I agree with, dang it!  You want to talk to me about climate disruption, great, let&#8217;s talk about <em>climate</em>, not the bloody weather!  (Yes, this annoys me a little.  Does it show?  <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Elaine &#8211; Thanks for the link.  Interesting read.</p>
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		<title>By: elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder whether this guy been reading you. ;)

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=1189274</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder whether this guy been reading you. <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=1189274" rel="nofollow">http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=1189274</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brain - thanks for this - I know some folks that might benefit from this information...  it&#039;s colossally irritating to have every weather report linked to &quot;Global Warming.&quot;

Lex - dude, you need a tropical holiday :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brain &#8211; thanks for this &#8211; I know some folks that might benefit from this information&#8230;  it&#8217;s colossally irritating to have every weather report linked to &#8220;Global Warming.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lex &#8211; dude, you need a tropical holiday <img src='http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It takes mental toughness, that&#039;s all you&#039;ve got really.  I&#039;m helped by my reading of Arctic exploration and the Soviet gulag system.  When it gets bad i spend a lot of time thinking how much worse it could be.  Actually i pay very little attention to weather reports/forecasts (partly because a few miles here can change the weather drastically); i&#039;ll be out in it regardless.  It&#039;s just weather...this will give way to being soaked which will give way to being cooked by the sun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes mental toughness, that&#8217;s all you&#8217;ve got really.  I&#8217;m helped by my reading of Arctic exploration and the Soviet gulag system.  When it gets bad i spend a lot of time thinking how much worse it could be.  Actually i pay very little attention to weather reports/forecasts (partly because a few miles here can change the weather drastically); i&#8217;ll be out in it regardless.  It&#8217;s just weather&#8230;this will give way to being soaked which will give way to being cooked by the sun.</p>
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		<title>By: JS OBrien</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/01/16/weather-vs-climate/comment-page-1/#comment-60803</link>
		<dc:creator>JS OBrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lex:

My father was an ironworker, and spent some of his last working years building taconite processing plants in northern Minnesota -- in the winter, a lot of the time.  He got frostbitten often, and badly frostbitten once.  I can&#039;t imagine what it takes to work outside in cold like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lex:</p>
<p>My father was an ironworker, and spent some of his last working years building taconite processing plants in northern Minnesota &#8212; in the winter, a lot of the time.  He got frostbitten often, and badly frostbitten once.  I can&#8217;t imagine what it takes to work outside in cold like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snap...Ann strikes!

So you&#039;re saying that i shouldn&#039;t be hoping for a little global warming so that it doesn&#039;t take 24 hours for the prickles to abandon my finger tips after a day of work; i should just hope for a change in the weather.

I&#039;ve heard the sentiment that our current Saskatchewan Screamer (at least that&#039;s what it&#039;s being called round here) is a notch against global warming.  But i throw a shoe at all those who bemoan the windchill as they run from their house to the car.  And i have some unprintable words for the Weather Channel and it&#039;s advice on &quot;how to keep warm on the links&quot;.  How about how to keep warm on an open forklift before sunrise, bitches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snap&#8230;Ann strikes!</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re saying that i shouldn&#8217;t be hoping for a little global warming so that it doesn&#8217;t take 24 hours for the prickles to abandon my finger tips after a day of work; i should just hope for a change in the weather.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard the sentiment that our current Saskatchewan Screamer (at least that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s being called round here) is a notch against global warming.  But i throw a shoe at all those who bemoan the windchill as they run from their house to the car.  And i have some unprintable words for the Weather Channel and it&#8217;s advice on &#8220;how to keep warm on the links&#8221;.  How about how to keep warm on an open forklift before sunrise, bitches.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Ivins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Ivins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So... weather is your Uncle Bob saying,&quot;Winters aren&#039;t what they were when I was a kid;&quot; climate is no longer being able to find an ice floe upon which to abandon him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; weather is your Uncle Bob saying,&#8221;Winters aren&#8217;t what they were when I was a kid;&#8221; climate is no longer being able to find an ice floe upon which to abandon him?</p>
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