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	<title>Comments on: How to try Bill O&#8217;Reilly for Dr. Tiller&#8217;s murder</title>
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		<title>By: James McAllister</title>
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		<dc:creator>James McAllister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 03:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a mistake to blame the boomers for Bush or for the state of the country.  I&#039;m a boomer.  I, and most of the boomers I know, voted against Bush - twice.  The real problem was that the younger generations did not vote...for anyone.  They couldn&#039;t have cared less who ran the country.  They had no historical perspective and it took 8 years for them to appreciate the results of their apathy and finally get off their collective ass.  I have three children, all in their 20&#039;s, and it was like pulling teeth to get them to go to the polls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a mistake to blame the boomers for Bush or for the state of the country.  I&#8217;m a boomer.  I, and most of the boomers I know, voted against Bush &#8211; twice.  The real problem was that the younger generations did not vote&#8230;for anyone.  They couldn&#8217;t have cared less who ran the country.  They had no historical perspective and it took 8 years for them to appreciate the results of their apathy and finally get off their collective ass.  I have three children, all in their 20&#8242;s, and it was like pulling teeth to get them to go to the polls.</p>
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		<title>By: sara jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 06:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hucklebee made a comment when he heard some chairs tipping over  on stage during his campaign that &#039;that&#039;s Obama diving to avoid a bullet&quot;.  Palin and McCain incited  harm to Obama by encouraging  (by not stopping them) from saying things about Obama like  &#039;he should die or be killed&#039;.  Only after public outcry for their ambitions did they apologize ... oh, they didn&#039;t notice...yeah, right.  .  O&#039;Reilly incited his &#039;sheep&#039; to not feel sorry for this &#039;baby killer&#039;..and how the list of hate mongers go on...guess you want your kids listening to that and you wonder why there&#039;s school shootings....   And...Hillary made a parallel between timing of the California  primary, Bobby Kennedy and Obama....careless probably, but what was she thinking?  Desperate to win like everyone else???  What we have here, and I&#039;m a little amazed that the  so-called medical profession  called Psychiatrists haven&#039;t stepped in and profiled these people for the public to analyse...these people have severe personality disorders called social psychopaths.   Perhaps it&#039;s not difficult for me to understand why we don&#039;t do anything about them ... Americans did vote GWBush into office, not once, but twice.  It&#039;s going to have to be up to the young people of this country to take matters into their own hands and say enough is enough.  I think they&#039;ll want to protect their kids against listening to this hate talk more than my generation, whom I don&#039;t think gives a damn about their kids...Look at the environment, the run down schools and the health care system...they could give a damn what the future is for their kids but I think the young parents have much more going for them and more brains than the boomers ever did.  Another interesting side of psychopaths is how they twist the truth...this can be seen by some Republicans who called Sotomayor a racist, all because she said, and I&#039;ll paraphrase, &#039;that having a rich Latino background will bring another  perspective into to the court  which is differs from a white male&#039;.  I&#039;ve heard so- called experts say that that statement is racist..on NPR news no less...and I was shocked.    Doesn&#039;t anyone see that someone who grew up in the projects, is Latino would have a different perspective than a white, middle-class male?   How stupid are we...do these  so called &#039;experts&#039; have lead poisoning?  I thought it was a truthful statement and I don&#039;t see anything racist about it...but we let Rush and O&#039;Reilly and McCain and Palin and Hucklebee, etc...insinutate blatant racism and that&#039;s okay...we make excuses for them.   We have a problem Houston.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hucklebee made a comment when he heard some chairs tipping over  on stage during his campaign that &#8216;that&#8217;s Obama diving to avoid a bullet&#8221;.  Palin and McCain incited  harm to Obama by encouraging  (by not stopping them) from saying things about Obama like  &#8216;he should die or be killed&#8217;.  Only after public outcry for their ambitions did they apologize &#8230; oh, they didn&#8217;t notice&#8230;yeah, right.  .  O&#8217;Reilly incited his &#8216;sheep&#8217; to not feel sorry for this &#8216;baby killer&#8217;..and how the list of hate mongers go on&#8230;guess you want your kids listening to that and you wonder why there&#8217;s school shootings&#8230;.   And&#8230;Hillary made a parallel between timing of the California  primary, Bobby Kennedy and Obama&#8230;.careless probably, but what was she thinking?  Desperate to win like everyone else???  What we have here, and I&#8217;m a little amazed that the  so-called medical profession  called Psychiatrists haven&#8217;t stepped in and profiled these people for the public to analyse&#8230;these people have severe personality disorders called social psychopaths.   Perhaps it&#8217;s not difficult for me to understand why we don&#8217;t do anything about them &#8230; Americans did vote GWBush into office, not once, but twice.  It&#8217;s going to have to be up to the young people of this country to take matters into their own hands and say enough is enough.  I think they&#8217;ll want to protect their kids against listening to this hate talk more than my generation, whom I don&#8217;t think gives a damn about their kids&#8230;Look at the environment, the run down schools and the health care system&#8230;they could give a damn what the future is for their kids but I think the young parents have much more going for them and more brains than the boomers ever did.  Another interesting side of psychopaths is how they twist the truth&#8230;this can be seen by some Republicans who called Sotomayor a racist, all because she said, and I&#8217;ll paraphrase, &#8216;that having a rich Latino background will bring another  perspective into to the court  which is differs from a white male&#8217;.  I&#8217;ve heard so- called experts say that that statement is racist..on NPR news no less&#8230;and I was shocked.    Doesn&#8217;t anyone see that someone who grew up in the projects, is Latino would have a different perspective than a white, middle-class male?   How stupid are we&#8230;do these  so called &#8216;experts&#8217; have lead poisoning?  I thought it was a truthful statement and I don&#8217;t see anything racist about it&#8230;but we let Rush and O&#8217;Reilly and McCain and Palin and Hucklebee, etc&#8230;insinutate blatant racism and that&#8217;s okay&#8230;we make excuses for them.   We have a problem Houston.</p>
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		<title>By: tempus binder</title>
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		<dc:creator>tempus binder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there should be consideration of legal action against Operation Rescue for their part in Tiller&#039;s murder.

In their &quot;Tiller the Killer&quot; video, after the section &quot;You may be the difference between life and death for a child&quot; and before &quot;They&#039;re killing babies here,&quot; the video displays a screen which reads: &quot;Together, we can put an end to George Tiller, Abortion and these horrific crimes.&quot; (at 5:31)

Not: &quot;Together we can put a stop to George Tiller, ...&quot;

but: &quot;Together we can put an end to George Tiller,&quot;

The video is a fantastic bit of marketing, with driving headbanger music and strobe light effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there should be consideration of legal action against Operation Rescue for their part in Tiller&#8217;s murder.</p>
<p>In their &#8220;Tiller the Killer&#8221; video, after the section &#8220;You may be the difference between life and death for a child&#8221; and before &#8220;They&#8217;re killing babies here,&#8221; the video displays a screen which reads: &#8220;Together, we can put an end to George Tiller, Abortion and these horrific crimes.&#8221; (at 5:31)</p>
<p>Not: &#8220;Together we can put a stop to George Tiller, &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>but: &#8220;Together we can put an end to George Tiller,&#8221;</p>
<p>The video is a fantastic bit of marketing, with driving headbanger music and strobe light effects.</p>
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		<title>By: JThompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JThompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom: Telling someone &quot;Abortion is murder. The bible says an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.&quot; isn&#039;t using freedom of speech. It&#039;s telling someone to go kill someone. (I&#039;m talking about the anti-abortion websites more than O&#039;Reilly here.)
Since *all* speech must be protected, should we remove the &#039;conspiracy to commit&#039; from the laws? After all, they&#039;re just talking about murder, not actually committing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom: Telling someone &#8220;Abortion is murder. The bible says an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.&#8221; isn&#8217;t using freedom of speech. It&#8217;s telling someone to go kill someone. (I&#8217;m talking about the anti-abortion websites more than O&#8217;Reilly here.)<br />
Since *all* speech must be protected, should we remove the &#8216;conspiracy to commit&#8217; from the laws? After all, they&#8217;re just talking about murder, not actually committing it.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffryh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffryh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, O&#039;Reilly&#039;s comments do not have the clarity required to make him guilty of the offence of inciting homicide.

In order for free speech values to remain protected, any kind of metaphor, ie. &quot;blood on his hands&quot; has to remain lawful. Only if there were a direct quote, ie. &quot;he should be killed by a patriotic American like my listeners&quot; should the matter become criminal.

On the other hand, O&#039;Reilly certainly has some moral responsibility for the way he has used his power, and his wilful blindness to the likely, and now acheived, result.

In a decent world,  his employers would say &quot;enough!&quot; Instead, they are likely to be pleased at the &quot;controversy&quot; which can be expected to boost ratings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s comments do not have the clarity required to make him guilty of the offence of inciting homicide.</p>
<p>In order for free speech values to remain protected, any kind of metaphor, ie. &#8220;blood on his hands&#8221; has to remain lawful. Only if there were a direct quote, ie. &#8220;he should be killed by a patriotic American like my listeners&#8221; should the matter become criminal.</p>
<p>On the other hand, O&#8217;Reilly certainly has some moral responsibility for the way he has used his power, and his wilful blindness to the likely, and now acheived, result.</p>
<p>In a decent world,  his employers would say &#8220;enough!&#8221; Instead, they are likely to be pleased at the &#8220;controversy&#8221; which can be expected to boost ratings.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom: inciting to violence is not and never has been protected speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom: inciting to violence is not and never has been protected speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By trying Bill O&#039;Reilly for murder (by proxy as it were) would be trying free speech itself. Look, I hate Bill O&#039;Reilly but if we silence him it&#039;ll only be a matter of time before the tables get turned and silencing leftist critics will become the norm.
I realize how incredibly stupid this sounds at the outset but think about it awhile: Bill is a piece of s---, but I&#039;ll defend his right to be a piece of s--- to the death.
Gee, I wonder if he&#039;d do the same for me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By trying Bill O&#8217;Reilly for murder (by proxy as it were) would be trying free speech itself. Look, I hate Bill O&#8217;Reilly but if we silence him it&#8217;ll only be a matter of time before the tables get turned and silencing leftist critics will become the norm.<br />
I realize how incredibly stupid this sounds at the outset but think about it awhile: Bill is a piece of s&#8212;, but I&#8217;ll defend his right to be a piece of s&#8212; to the death.<br />
Gee, I wonder if he&#8217;d do the same for me?</p>
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		<title>By: JThompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JThompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always wondered how it was possible to jail people like Manson without jailing people like O&#039;Reilly.
Manson, who is crazier than hell and should have been locked away somewhere, never actually killed anyone...He just worked a bunch of brainwashed people into a lather and sent them to kill someone.
O&#039;Reilly and his ilk never actually kill anyone, they just work brainwashed idiots into a lather and they go kill people.
I fail to see the difference.

Edited to add: By which I mean I don&#039;t see where editorial opinion ends and intentionally working people into a froth to go kill the &quot;enemy&quot; begins.
How much dehumanization is allowed before it stops being editorial and becomes an urge to violence? What part of &quot;X is a nazi!&quot; and &quot;God wants that person to die!&quot; isn&#039;t aiming crazy people at a political opponent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always wondered how it was possible to jail people like Manson without jailing people like O&#8217;Reilly.<br />
Manson, who is crazier than hell and should have been locked away somewhere, never actually killed anyone&#8230;He just worked a bunch of brainwashed people into a lather and sent them to kill someone.<br />
O&#8217;Reilly and his ilk never actually kill anyone, they just work brainwashed idiots into a lather and they go kill people.<br />
I fail to see the difference.</p>
<p>Edited to add: By which I mean I don&#8217;t see where editorial opinion ends and intentionally working people into a froth to go kill the &#8220;enemy&#8221; begins.<br />
How much dehumanization is allowed before it stops being editorial and becomes an urge to violence? What part of &#8220;X is a nazi!&#8221; and &#8220;God wants that person to die!&#8221; isn&#8217;t aiming crazy people at a political opponent?</p>
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		<title>By: JS OBrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS OBrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not an attorney, Russ, but I suspect that editorial comment is fairly well protected by law.  My best guess is that this isn&#039;t really an option, but I would be very interested if someone who is an attorney chimed in on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not an attorney, Russ, but I suspect that editorial comment is fairly well protected by law.  My best guess is that this isn&#8217;t really an option, but I would be very interested if someone who is an attorney chimed in on this.</p>
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