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By: Looking at that list of 31,000 "scientists" who disbelieve in AGW « Later On

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[...] Foundation, the libertarian/conservative site American Thinker (a site that has regularly failed to fact-check their AGW posts), conservative commentator Deroy Murdock (who works on Project 21 with the wife of [...]

By: Scholars and Rogues » 31,478… 13,245… 152 OISM “scientists” can’t be wrong

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By: Scholars and Rogues » The Weekly Carboholic: independent statisticians reject recent global cooling claims in blind analysis

Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:02:58 +0000

[...] have been claiming for years now that the global temperature has been cooling down, even though the temperature data clearly shows that it isn’t. Scientists and statisticians have pointed out that, mathematically speaking, the recent reduced [...]

By: The Curious Incident of the Denier in the Night-time « Greenfyre’s

The Curious Incident of the Denier in the Night-time « Greenfyre’s — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:18:54 +0000

[...] about the debate at all. The Denialosphere is a typically place where contagion spreads with remarkable speed, and Plimer has been their célèbre de jour, so it’s [...]

By: Sun, Sun, Sun … here it comes – NOT « Greenfyre’s

Sun, Sun, Sun … here it comes – NOT « Greenfyre’s — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:16:12 +0000

[...] Angliss blogged on this at the time (Nuz Flash! Old story sez Sun makz climate change! Oh noes!!1!), documenting the speed and breadth of the contagion, as well as noting some other ridiculous errors [...]

By: Brian Angliss

Brian Angliss — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 20:49:08 +0000

Judy, time to reacquaint you (again – what is this now, the 10th time?) with some pesky little things I like to call “facts.”

Since [May, 2008] the sun has stayed quiet and temperatures have continued to drop.

Um, no. First, you’re talking about weather, not climate.

Second, I just downloaded the data from GISS, NCDC, HadleyCRU, UAH T2LT, and RSS TLT, and plotted from last May to this April (most of the May data isn’t published yet). And this lovely image is what I got:

Notice that all those black trendlines are positive or flat – none of them are negative. Facts, Judy.

I’ve seen that Icecap image before, and it’s meaningless. 7 years is such a short period of time that you literally can’t make any statistically valid conclusions based on it. Give me 20 years worth of data that looks identical to that graph and then you might have half a leg to stand on.

As for that image of past geological ages, it’s only meaningful if solar output was similar to today (it generally wasn’t), whether the biosphere was similar to today (it generally wasn’t), whether the land masses were located similar to today (they certainly weren’t), whether ocean circulation was similar to today (it certainly wasn’t), and so on. Geologists and climatologists can learn a lot from those periods, but they only matter for today’s climate if they’re substantially similar, and the vast majority of those geologic eras are wildly different in key aspects.

By: Dr. Slammy

Dr. Slammy — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:32:04 +0000

Jeff: Not sure exactly where you’re coming from, but “climate change” was a conservative/denier tactic. “Warming” sounded pretty bad, so if they could neuter the public discussion with the less ominous “change” it was to their advantage. All in all, it’s one of the more clever PR tricks we’ve seen in recent years (arguably even better than “Japan bashing”)….

By: elaine

elaine — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:25:01 +0000

Thinkers, like Brian, were calling it Climate Disruption and warning about the bad direction that the ‘Global Warming’ tag was giving out years ago.

Available for download at:

http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/publication/17661/global_climate_disruption.html

By: Brian Angliss

Brian Angliss — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:21:58 +0000

Climate change is scientifically accurate while global warming is, arguably, not. I use climate disruption because it’s both accurate and better describes what’s actually happening – climates around the world are being disrupted by human-emitted greenhouse gases, land use changes, poor water management, and so on.

Put another way, change is always happening naturally, but disruption has a cause, and in this case the cause is human energy consumption.

By: jeff watson

jeff watson — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:15:36 +0000

Have you noticed they don’t call it “Global Warming” anymore, but call it “Climate Change?” I wonder who makes those type of decisions(somehow I bet those people are familiar with Limos, Gulfstream IV’s, and the Upper West Side). Global Warming as a slogan just wasn’t working with the average Joe, so voila, “Cliimate Change”…there’s something everyone can believe in.

Kind of reminds me of the March of Dimes. The March of Dimes originally was a charity to cure Polio. When Salk invented the polio vaccine, the charity was suddenly without a cause. Rather than disband and say, “job well done” they changed their focus to birth defects. This is a good example of a bureaucracy reinventing itself rather than disbanding. Also gets to keep the cash flow going.

One knows there’s a whole lot of cash flow in “Climate Change.” It’s just going to a different group of people these days, but remember, it’s always about the money.

By: Dr. Slammy

Dr. Slammy — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:28:31 +0000

Judy: I know we’ve asked before, but I don’t recall you answering. Who exactly is it that pays you for all your hard disinfo work? Is it an astroturf group of some sort?

By: Simon Scowl

Simon Scowl — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 08:46:28 +0000

Try not to sound so desperate. Us evil humans surely must be destroying the planet. Keep hope alive.

By: Judy Cross

Judy Cross — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 04:44:59 +0000

Yup the story is from May 2008.

Since then the sun has stayed quiet and temperatures have continued to drop.

It is even more valid today than it was when the report was first released. As you can see CO2 is up, but temperatures continue down.http://icecap.us/images/uploads/MSUCO2.JPG

Historically there is even less corelation between CO2 and temperature.
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/PageMill_Images/image277.gif

“Fact” check with Hansen…that’s a laugh when he’s been caught fiddling with data numerous times.

They were whistle blowing!