Period.

Beginning now, I’ll be deleting any and all threadfucks, no matter who they come from.

It’s a matter of the individual ego appearing to be given up, but in reality simply enlarged to encompass a group. There is still the possessive, in-so-much as the individual dedicates the ego to his society. Basic infantile psychology, wherein the group (and consequently those inside it) are seen as nurturing parents and those outside get the ogre-father projection. That’s why it’s generally deemed ok to disparage, demean, or even kill those outside the chosen group.

This isn’t new or unique to America. And it is why the fringes display such similar behavior. Rather than clearing his own heart/mind/soul, the zealot attempts to clear the world.

Now, it’s true that liberal America is less likely to be fully zealous to the point of violent action; it generally doesn’t have the elders employing totem ceremonials in which they enact the ogre-father and simultaneously reveal themselves as the feeding mother too, Being mostly secular, it rejects the mytho-religious context and so tends to succumb to simple neuroticism and the ego is not even partially initiated into something greater…though there is a fair degree of tribalism.

As for Von Brunn, it is true that he did not fit the far-right stereotype. He hated Christianity because he saw it as a descendant of Judaism. He went back further, mistaking Norse mythology for pure Aryan doctrine. And like Hitler got the whole Aryan/superman thing mixed up by seeing a psychological path as a racial reality.

Hitler was a serious devotee of Blatavsky’s Theosophy, which is rife with cherry-picked mythologies and mistaking the metaphors for the truth. I’ve been to modern, Germanic Theosophical meetings. They’re still hung up on the superman idea and mistaking Shangra-La to be a real (or buildable) place. It’s very politically leftist, and at the same time has a whispered, but undeniable, undercurrent of anti-Semitism and racism. (The first question asked of me was whether i was a Jew, so i didn’t feel bad pointing out all the aped Buddhist doctrine that they fucked up to the point of tribal nonsense.)

And that’s my comment thread dissertation for the day…

I made a comment on #31 and you responded to my comment within 45 minutes. Who’s trolling who…oh yeah, if you disagree with a liberal, then it’s trolling…I forgot that.

Anyways,

expect a few hits from my site, and who knows, if you bark loud enough, the capitalists at my site might just toss you a few bones.

In your case, this is a win-win situation.

Jeff

I never told my friends to troll your blog. I just find your rigorous intellect very stimulating and wish to help spread your ideas. In fact, I’m going to make a blog post requesting my readers to donate $0.02 each to your blog to help spread your word and keep you in beer and cigarettes.

Jeff

Since you’re the one who insisted that liberals were just as likely to kill as you right wingers, it isn’t incumbent on me to prove anything, especially when the weight of empirical evidence is on my side. The burden of proof is on you and you have utterly, completely failed to do such and now you’re angry at me for having exposed you for the fraud you are.

You’re also contradicting yourself. First you say I have bored you (facts often are, unfortunately) then you say you have blogrolled me and have encouraged both your friends to troll my blog. My God, dude- you are among the last 27% of the passenger manifest still on the Titanic. Just what do you think you’re defending here by ignorantly attacking liberals?

“Von Brunn was not, is not now and never will be one of us. We’re not anti-Semites. We don’t advocate kidnapping, shooting and murdering people and we never advanced this conspiracy theory about Obama’s birth certificate.”

Rather broad statement…,..prove it.

The thing is you just don’t get it. No idea how the world really works, just how you “wish” it would be, if only someone would give you something that you didn’t work for.

I find you boring, and will not continue this any longer. I realize that I’m arguing with someone who probably was beaten up on the playground as a kid a lot. For that, I’m sorry, but I won’t be your whipping boy. You remind me of that old whack job, Savantster who used to give circular arguments until he was blue in the face. I won’t waste any more time on you or this thread. I will stop by your blog(and encourage all my friends to), as I find it most interesting to see how a naive person navigates around the shoals of life. In fact, I will add you to my blogroll. I have noticed you have a donate button on your free blog…are you kidding…..what a parasite.

Trying to graft today’s liberals to the Nazi party of olde is automatically doomed to failure because you’re trying to graft an old European political rubric to a newer American one. In fact, just in our country, the very definitions for what’s liberal and conservative and what’s Republican and Democratic have undergone paradigm shifts in the last three decades.

And one of the most fallacious arguments on the far right is to ask aloud (as several right wing bloggers have. I’ve checked), “Was Hitler a liberal?” Hitler was a faux populist “reformer” who nonetheless exhibited the foundational characteristics of today’s American right wingers- collusion with industry (including Bush’s grandfather, Prescott, who benefited from Nazi death camp slave labor), disrespect for the judiciary, disrespect for the rights of the people (Enabling Act=US PATRIOT Act), a paranoid lashing out toward critics and rivals… The list goes on.

And, no, I WON’T leave Bush alone any more than Cindy Sheehan would. The man needs to pay for his war crimes as do Cheney, Rove and that whole rancid Reich.

Not the best joke, but a point I came to agree with over the course of the class.

Suffice it to say that Socialism would probably not be considered to be on the right of the political spectrum.

Why is it that liberals delude themselves into thinking that they’re not capable of murder?

You’re right about the extremes of the spectrum having the righteous attitude.

That book I mentioned earlier by Hayek is a gem and should be read by everyone. Also, Nock should be a study requirement for everyone. His ideas have appeal to both sides, and his concept of affability is wonderful. We need more affable people around these type of sites, even disagreements would be handled in a civilized manner.

Jeff

It seems to me that President Obama has ordered a number of killings…though it could be argued that he’s no liberal. Madelaine Albright once said that killing 500,000 Iraqis was “worth it” (what it was she never really clarified), and since her liberal boss never disavowed the statement we can deduce that he agreed.

One thing that the extremes of the political spectrum share is a strong belief in their own righteousness and innocence as explanation for their actions…no matter how depraved.

I didn’t know I had to prove that liberal guys who killed people were murderers. But, I guess whatever state school you attended from provided you with plenty of smarts .

By the way, on your blog, you ought to stop beating up on Bush, as he’s old news.

When one says, “Everyone knows,” that makes me ask questions as the general public is usually wrong, especially where Nazi politics are concerned.

And, I for one, would absolutely LOVE to hear your theory as to how Hitler was a liberal when Nazis, as everyone knows, were and still are hard line right wingers.

As for copying and pasting from yahoo, I did put that part in quotation marks indicating it wasn’t from me. I guess that nobody here would ever cut and paste and that’s just another one of my conservative weaknesses and lack of intellectual rigor.

Jeff

Let’s get one thing straight: Liberals don’t believe in killing people. We have a strong and defined enough sense of identity to know what we truly stand for and don’t stand for. In our collective mind, anyone who kills for their cause is not a liberal.

Extreme conservatives like von Brunn, Adkisson, McVeigh and Hal Turner, to cite just a few examples, proudly call for the murder of innocents and even go out and do it themselves. Just because Fred Phelps used to be a registered Democrat doesn’t make him one of us.

But when some whackjob walks into a church in TN and kills two of the people inside because of their tolerance of homosexuals and is found to be in possession of right wing hate literature written by the likes of Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity and Michael Savage, we take it as an article of faith that they’re proudly conservative.

It’s obvious that you’ve gotten your information from Yahoo Answers. In fact, it was copied and pasted directly from that page.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090602172358AAscbnf

In fact, one person provided me with the perfect comeback; “Wow, you have to go back 2 years to find 4 attacks….when I only have to go back 6 months to find several attacks by ‘christian conservatives’.”

A final postscript on the Hartmann murder: The Dutch newspaper Telegraff said that Hartmann came from a right wing family in which Mein Kampf was standard reading fare. As with you, I have no proof of this but this is what I heard and has to be taken with as big a grain of salt as your assertion that he was some wild-eyed liberal extremist.

As for Carlos Bledsoe’s recent murder of Pvt. Long, the only people who seem to be calling him “liberal” are other right wingers such as you. He has not been tied to any affiliation other than his recent conversion to the Nation of Islam

As for Airman Schrieken, his shooting was not a fatality and his assailant, Matthew J. Marren, has also not been linked to any left wing, progressive organization. Just because a mentally ill man fancies himself a war protester and shoots a military person doesn’t make him a liberal. We generally have higher standards than that and to assume that all one need do is to call oneself a war protester to become one of us if, frankly, insulting.

Virtually all the right wingers who have been committing mayhem in our nation’s churches and elsewhere are either consumers of right wing hate literature or actual purveyors of it. Therefore, it’s a lot easier to tie them to right wing extremists than your three pathetic examples can be tied to liberal war protesters. So take that back to your own backyard, my conservative friend.

You might not consider him to be one of y’all, but he considers himself to be one of you. Now you get to see how it feels to get lumped in with people you don’t agree with. Happens to conservatives all the time, so perhaps this will be a learning experience for you.

Speaking of anti-Semites. I’ll bet that most liberals aren’t anti-Semites, but still, most of them are pro-Palestinian. The Obama birth certificate thing was a Hillary thing originally, and I don’t think she’s a conservative.

As for the murder part, liberals do murder. Here’s a few instances.

“1. In July 2007, a liberal anti war liberal shot Senior Airman Jonathan Schrieken in his driveway outside McGuire AFB,

2. In Sept 2007 American Liberal anti war protester Carlos Hartmann , traveled to the Netherlands and killed a young female student on a train platform with an axe, when he could not find a soldier to attack. He was mad about the Netherlands supporting the war in iraq.

3. In June 2009, liberal anti war protester Carlos Bledsoe shot and killed Pvt. William Long and wounded Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula to protest the war.”

None of us are perfect, and one should look in their own backyard first.

Jeff

http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=35192

Jeff

I admit I’m a bit slow and can be occasionally manipulated into reacting in ways that serve someone else’s interest. My wife will corroborate, since she often is the beneficiary.

So since I’m a bit slow, what’s your point? Is the 89-year old a conspiracy tool? And who is behind the conspiracy? This inquiring, albeit slow and malleable mind wants to know.

And your reactions are exactly what they wanted….get the wingnuts, protect the Jews, ban the guns!

Ask yourself if a 89 year old rifle totin’, right-wingnut walked into a museum with a rifle and started shooting because he hated Jews….is this story plausible? Yes, but unlikely. Just like the terrorists hating us for our freedom so they decided to go to flight school, buy some box cutters, etc….

I’m sorry, I’m just having a hard time imagining this old man moving around NY with a rifle gunning for Jews at a holocaust museum. He could have shot at people on the street and hit more Jews than at the museum. Why the holocaust museum? Why not the AIPAC offices?

Ask yourself if the FBI and local police would ignore an abortion protester who was caught on surveillance tape (and NAMED) super gluing the locks of an abortion clinic and apparently stalking the place in the week before the Kansas murder.

If it smells like dung, it probably is…no need to taste it.