Comments on: ‘Liberal elite,’ not the corporate rich, bear brunt of resentment over bail-outs http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/07/21/liberal-elite-not-the-corporate-rich-bear-brunt-of-resentment-over-bail-outs/ Think. It ain't illegal yet... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:58:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mr. Cargo http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/07/21/liberal-elite-not-the-corporate-rich-bear-brunt-of-resentment-over-bail-outs/comment-page-1/#comment-69209 Mr. Cargo Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:29:17 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=10369#comment-69209 Jeff -- I specialize in hyperbole. :) Jeff — I specialize in hyperbole. :)

]]> By: jeff watson http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/07/21/liberal-elite-not-the-corporate-rich-bear-brunt-of-resentment-over-bail-outs/comment-page-1/#comment-69208 jeff watson Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:20:32 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=10369#comment-69208 Sorry Cargo...I take back the cowardice thing..,.as that is your name. The rest of it I stand by. Jeff Sorry Cargo…I take back the cowardice thing..,.as that is your name. The rest of it I stand by.

Jeff

]]> By: jeff watson http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/07/21/liberal-elite-not-the-corporate-rich-bear-brunt-of-resentment-over-bail-outs/comment-page-1/#comment-69207 jeff watson Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:07:43 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=10369#comment-69207 @ Sam, Perhaps I didn't express myself well enough........the Republicans are in bed with the other side of the monied elite. @ Mr. Cargo Why don't you sign your real name, as hiding behind the cloak of anonymity is just cowardice. Saying we're too far gone to be saving anything? Is this fact based information or hyperbole? Economic conditions were far worse in the late 70's than they are now. Just about every measure of any key economic indicator was worse during that period. You only think things are the worst in history because that is what the 24/7 media tells you to believe. Study history and you'd realize that things aren't that bad and the sky is not falling. I liked the maggot comment, shows that you have a lot of class. By the way, I lost $24K on a bad sugar trade today. Am I whining? Not on your life. That's where personal responsibility comes in, as I accept what happens and regard losses as part of the cost of doing business. People whine too much and can never blame themselves for their own misfortune. It's always someone else's fault, those evil Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, Conservatives...you fill in the blanks. Jeff @ Sam,

Perhaps I didn’t express myself well enough……..the Republicans are in bed with the other side of the monied elite.

@ Mr. Cargo
Why don’t you sign your real name, as hiding behind the cloak of anonymity is just cowardice. Saying we’re too far gone to be saving anything? Is this fact based information or hyperbole? Economic conditions were far worse in the late 70′s than they are now. Just about every measure of any key economic indicator was worse during that period. You only think things are the worst in history because that is what the 24/7 media tells you to believe. Study history and you’d realize that things aren’t that bad and the sky is not falling.

I liked the maggot comment, shows that you have a lot of class. By the way, I lost $24K on a bad sugar trade today. Am I whining? Not on your life. That’s where personal responsibility comes in, as I accept what happens and regard losses as part of the cost of doing business. People whine too much and can never blame themselves for their own misfortune. It’s always someone else’s fault, those evil Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, Conservatives…you fill in the blanks.

Jeff

]]> By: Mr. Cargo http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/07/21/liberal-elite-not-the-corporate-rich-bear-brunt-of-resentment-over-bail-outs/comment-page-1/#comment-69194 Mr. Cargo Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:20:20 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=10369#comment-69194 Jeff, if you weren't there, some other middleman would take your place to make those tax payments. Collectivism, or whatever's going to pass for it today, is simply going to (HOPEFULLY) keep the growing ranks of the poor (especially the house-poor and especially those currently making the transition from 'house-poor' to 'poor-house' who now get to see firsthand what the officially poor have been putting up with all this time), chronically ill (regardless of the cause, mind you--don't throw that 'personal responsibility' crap at me when people worldwide suffer from conditions like cystic fibrosis and leukemia and MS) and disabled from being officially flushed down the toilet and forgotten by people who see their bottom lines as America's #1 priority. And luckily for this faction, it's being well represented on a national level. We're too far gone to be "saving" anything. It's my view that members of both major parties have their own strategy to pick everything that's left off of the corpse we've got to work with before the maggots get the rest. And guess who the maggots are, my dear Watson? You're one bad transaction away from finding out. Jeff, if you weren’t there, some other middleman would take your place to make those tax payments. Collectivism, or whatever’s going to pass for it today, is simply going to (HOPEFULLY) keep the growing ranks of the poor (especially the house-poor and especially those currently making the transition from ‘house-poor’ to ‘poor-house’ who now get to see firsthand what the officially poor have been putting up with all this time), chronically ill (regardless of the cause, mind you–don’t throw that ‘personal responsibility’ crap at me when people worldwide suffer from conditions like cystic fibrosis and leukemia and MS) and disabled from being officially flushed down the toilet and forgotten by people who see their bottom lines as America’s #1 priority. And luckily for this faction, it’s being well represented on a national level.

We’re too far gone to be “saving” anything. It’s my view that members of both major parties have their own strategy to pick everything that’s left off of the corpse we’ve got to work with before the maggots get the rest. And guess who the maggots are, my dear Watson? You’re one bad transaction away from finding out.

]]> By: Dr. Slammy http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/07/21/liberal-elite-not-the-corporate-rich-bear-brunt-of-resentment-over-bail-outs/comment-page-1/#comment-69182 Dr. Slammy Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:39:08 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=10369#comment-69182 Let me ask for a clarification, Jeff. Did you just say that the GOP <em><strong>is not</strong></em> in bed with the moneyed elite? It is true that they have been closely allied with non-moneyed interests (that'd be the social conservatives - in the past I've talked about the unholy alliance between the Country Club Right and the Trailer Park Right), but the fact of that relationship has been about numbers and numbers only. The (very few) hyper-rich need the many (poor, and getting poorer) to win elections. I'm not saying anything new here, just observing that the sun rises in the east. The assertion that the GOP is somehow not about the moneyed elite, though, well, had Pinocchio said THAT out loud a thousand year-old redwood would have exploded out of his sinus cavity. Seriously, I'm not sure Karl Rove could crack that line off with a straight face. Let me ask for a clarification, Jeff. Did you just say that the GOP is not in bed with the moneyed elite?

It is true that they have been closely allied with non-moneyed interests (that’d be the social conservatives – in the past I’ve talked about the unholy alliance between the Country Club Right and the Trailer Park Right), but the fact of that relationship has been about numbers and numbers only. The (very few) hyper-rich need the many (poor, and getting poorer) to win elections. I’m not saying anything new here, just observing that the sun rises in the east.

The assertion that the GOP is somehow not about the moneyed elite, though, well, had Pinocchio said THAT out loud a thousand year-old redwood would have exploded out of his sinus cavity. Seriously, I’m not sure Karl Rove could crack that line off with a straight face.

]]> By: Russ Wellen http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/07/21/liberal-elite-not-the-corporate-rich-bear-brunt-of-resentment-over-bail-outs/comment-page-1/#comment-69179 Russ Wellen Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:49:23 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=10369#comment-69179 <blockquote>They have very clearly taken sides…and it isn’t with the little people.</blockquote>Thanks, Lex.<blockquote>So the choice becomes vote for the evil bastards or vote for ignorant motherfuckers who refused to do anything about the evil bastards.</blockquote>Exactly, Dr. S.<blockquote>This country has moved so far to the right the Democrats make Reagan look like a bleeding heart liberal.</blockquote> Just about, JT.<blockquote>It’s a tough world out there and someone has to pay for it and I guess it’s going to be us.</blockquote>Agreed, Jeff.

They have very clearly taken sides…and it isn’t with the little people.

Thanks, Lex.

So the choice becomes vote for the evil bastards or vote for ignorant motherfuckers who refused to do anything about the evil bastards.

Exactly, Dr. S.

This country has moved so far to the right the Democrats make Reagan look like a bleeding heart liberal.

Just about, JT.

It’s a tough world out there and someone has to pay for it and I guess it’s going to be us.

Agreed, Jeff.

]]> By: jeff watson http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/07/21/liberal-elite-not-the-corporate-rich-bear-brunt-of-resentment-over-bail-outs/comment-page-1/#comment-69175 jeff watson Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:33:50 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=10369#comment-69175 The real divide is between the people who have money and those who don't. The Dems are solidly in bed with the faction of the monied elite(while they talk a populist theme), while the Republicans are in bed with the other side. The only thing that irks the real producers in this country is the fact that we're going to have to pay for all of this. Parties don't mean a thing, as the real battle is between those that are thrifty in their personal habits and those that aren't. Kind of like 1917 Russia, with an eager left wing ready to sieze control and make society in their own image, and extracting their own vigorish. Remember that all taxes ultimately come from someone's profit, somewhere. Profit drives the bus, and one can never forget about this. It's good to be greedy, as shareholders need to have a ilttle greed before the government gets it's cut. Greed is good, self interest is especially good these days.....collectivism will get you nowhere. It's a tough world out there and someone has to pay for it and I guess it's going to be us. Jeff The real divide is between the people who have money and those who don’t. The Dems are solidly in bed with the faction of the monied elite(while they talk a populist theme), while the Republicans are in bed with the other side. The only thing that irks the real producers in this country is the fact that we’re going to have to pay for all of this. Parties don’t mean a thing, as the real battle is between those that are thrifty in their personal habits and those that aren’t. Kind of like 1917 Russia, with an eager left wing ready to sieze control and make society in their own image, and extracting their own vigorish. Remember that all taxes ultimately come from someone’s profit, somewhere. Profit drives the bus, and one can never forget about this. It’s good to be greedy, as shareholders need to have a ilttle greed before the government gets it’s cut. Greed is good, self interest is especially good these days…..collectivism will get you nowhere.

It’s a tough world out there and someone has to pay for it and I guess it’s going to be us.

Jeff

]]> By: JThompson http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/07/21/liberal-elite-not-the-corporate-rich-bear-brunt-of-resentment-over-bail-outs/comment-page-1/#comment-69145 JThompson Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:06:22 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=10369#comment-69145 Dr. Slammy: It may be overly simplistic, but it's exactly right. If the Republicans and Democrats had set out to work the system this way I'm not sure they could've managed it any better than they have. One makes a whole helluva lot of noise about the other doing exactly what they would've done. That way the illusion of choice is preserved. This country has moved so far to the right the Democrats make Reagan look like a bleeding heart liberal. So while there's no actual conspiracy, the difference between the two parties is superficial at best. Even if one is half-assed trying to give us a twisted version of public health care...More to shut us up than anything else. While protecting the insurance company profits, of course. Dr. Slammy: It may be overly simplistic, but it’s exactly right.
If the Republicans and Democrats had set out to work the system this way I’m not sure they could’ve managed it any better than they have. One makes a whole helluva lot of noise about the other doing exactly what they would’ve done. That way the illusion of choice is preserved.

This country has moved so far to the right the Democrats make Reagan look like a bleeding heart liberal. So while there’s no actual conspiracy, the difference between the two parties is superficial at best. Even if one is half-assed trying to give us a twisted version of public health care…More to shut us up than anything else. While protecting the insurance company profits, of course.

]]> By: Dr. Slammy http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/07/21/liberal-elite-not-the-corporate-rich-bear-brunt-of-resentment-over-bail-outs/comment-page-1/#comment-69127 Dr. Slammy Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:50:26 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=10369#comment-69127 How's this for an overly simplistic summary: America elected the Dems to bust the balls of the hyper-rich. But the Dems, faced with a choice, sided with the hyper-rich because those inside the Beltway want to BE hyper-rich. There hasn't been a party of the people for some time now, but the Dems are in the process of making that too obvious for even the average American voter to misunderstand. So the choice becomes vote for the evil bastards or vote for ignorant motherfuckers who refused to do anything about the evil bastards. Either way, the power-elite wins and the rest of us lose. How’s this for an overly simplistic summary: America elected the Dems to bust the balls of the hyper-rich. But the Dems, faced with a choice, sided with the hyper-rich because those inside the Beltway want to BE hyper-rich.

There hasn’t been a party of the people for some time now, but the Dems are in the process of making that too obvious for even the average American voter to misunderstand. So the choice becomes vote for the evil bastards or vote for ignorant motherfuckers who refused to do anything about the evil bastards.

Either way, the power-elite wins and the rest of us lose.

]]> By: Lex http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/07/21/liberal-elite-not-the-corporate-rich-bear-brunt-of-resentment-over-bail-outs/comment-page-1/#comment-69106 Lex Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:10:50 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=10369#comment-69106 It's true. The Dems are fucking around and blowing their best chance in a generation. And to be fair, don't the "liberal elite" (and by this i mean the mandarins in the party, the president, the Congresspeople) deserve whatever anger they get? They have very clearly taken sides...and it isn't with the little people. It will be a shame if the anger results in a Republican resurgence since that party is no more concerned with the plight of the average American than the Democrats. But with the Dems doing their best to be just like the Reps, one has to wonder if it even matters. And it doesn't help that the Obama administration is so good at alienating its constituencies (mocking the pot smokers, throwing the gays under the bus, pretending the anti-war segment doesn't exist...). It’s true. The Dems are fucking around and blowing their best chance in a generation. And to be fair, don’t the “liberal elite” (and by this i mean the mandarins in the party, the president, the Congresspeople) deserve whatever anger they get? They have very clearly taken sides…and it isn’t with the little people.

It will be a shame if the anger results in a Republican resurgence since that party is no more concerned with the plight of the average American than the Democrats. But with the Dems doing their best to be just like the Reps, one has to wonder if it even matters. And it doesn’t help that the Obama administration is so good at alienating its constituencies (mocking the pot smokers, throwing the gays under the bus, pretending the anti-war segment doesn’t exist…).

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