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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 01:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Cullen&#039;s book is well-written and contains interesting information not found elsewhere, but it is not the definitive, myth-busting account of the Columbine massacre it purports to be.

Cullen claims that Eric Harris was a swaggering ladies&#039; man and confident social king. This assertion is ludicrous. 

Cullen writes that Eric &quot;got lots of girls&quot; and had sex with a 24-year-old woman named Brenda Parker. He even quotes Parker in his book. The truth is that Parker had no connection to Harris or the tragedy; she was a &quot;fangirl&quot; who sought attention by making up stories. She has *zero* credibility. 

Eric tried to get a date to the prom; he failed. He asked several girls, all of whom turned him down. He finally convinced a girl he met at the pizza place where he worked to spend a couple of hours at his house on the night of the prom; they watched a movie. She declined to attend the after-prom party with him, so he went alone. 

Harris was fairly short (5&#039;8&quot;) and very skinny, with a deformed chest due to his pelvus excavatum. As his body language in the following video (recorded in a hallway at Columbine and shown in a documentary about the massacre) demonstrates, he was no match for the larger boys he encountered on a daily basis: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZix8_7f_lY 

In his final journal entry, Eric wrote: 

&quot;I hate you people for leaving me out of so many fun things. And no don&#039;t --- say, &quot;well thats your fault&quot; because it isnt, you people had my phone #, and I asked and all, but no. no no no dont let the weird looking Eric KID come along, ohh --- nooo.&quot; 

Does that sound like someone who was confident and socially successful? 

... 

Cullen perpetuates the long-standing myth that Dylan was a sad little emo follower who was totally led by Harris. 

The truth is that Dylan wrote about going on a killing spree before Eric.

On Monday, November 3, 1997, Dylan wrote in his journal: 

&quot;[edited] will get me a gun, ill go on my killing spree against anyone I want. more crazy...deeper in the spiral, lost highway repeating, dwelling on the beautiful past, ([edited] &amp; [edited] gettin drunk) w. me, everyone moves up i always stayed. Abandonment. this room sux. wanna die.&quot; 

He wrote &quot;*my* killing spree&quot;, not &quot;*our* killing spree&quot;. 

... 

Those who have seen the basement tapes have said that, on them, Dylan appears far more eager and enthusiastic than Eric. 

On the tapes, Eric apologizes to his family; Dylan does not. 

On one tape, Eric is seen alone, tearing up when he thinks about his friends back in Michigan. He even turns the tape off so he will not be captured crying on camera. 

If he truly was a pure psychopath, as Cullen claims, is it likely that he would have cried while thinking about old friends? 

... 

Cullen writes that Dylan had doubts about &quot;going NBK&quot; - NBK was the killers&#039; code word for the massacre - *during* the attack. One wonders how he came to this conclusion. 

At the school on 4/20, Dylan was the one who seemed to be enjoying himself. Eric was subdued in comparison. 

At one point, Dylan saw one of his victims writhing in pain. 

&quot;Here, let me help you,&quot; he said - and shot the boy in the face. 

Was that the action of someone who had doubts about what he was doing? 

... 

This is not the forum for a thorough debunking of Cullen&#039;s claims. The bottom line is that the book, while useful in some respects, is *not* the definitive, myth-busting account it purports to be. 

Read Mr. Cullen&#039;s book, but also read Columbine: A True Crime Story&quot; by Jeff Kass; &quot;No Easy Answers&quot; by Brooks Brown; &quot;Comprehending Columbine&quot; by Ralph Larkin; and as many other books as you can find. Read the killers&#039; journals and other writings (www.acolumbinesite.com is a good starting point). Read the documents (*very* begrudgingly) released by law enforcement over the years. 

Keep an open mind and remember that the &quot;truth&quot; is always very elusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Cullen&#8217;s book is well-written and contains interesting information not found elsewhere, but it is not the definitive, myth-busting account of the Columbine massacre it purports to be.</p>
<p>Cullen claims that Eric Harris was a swaggering ladies&#8217; man and confident social king. This assertion is ludicrous. </p>
<p>Cullen writes that Eric &#8220;got lots of girls&#8221; and had sex with a 24-year-old woman named Brenda Parker. He even quotes Parker in his book. The truth is that Parker had no connection to Harris or the tragedy; she was a &#8220;fangirl&#8221; who sought attention by making up stories. She has *zero* credibility. </p>
<p>Eric tried to get a date to the prom; he failed. He asked several girls, all of whom turned him down. He finally convinced a girl he met at the pizza place where he worked to spend a couple of hours at his house on the night of the prom; they watched a movie. She declined to attend the after-prom party with him, so he went alone. </p>
<p>Harris was fairly short (5&#8217;8&#8243;) and very skinny, with a deformed chest due to his pelvus excavatum. As his body language in the following video (recorded in a hallway at Columbine and shown in a documentary about the massacre) demonstrates, he was no match for the larger boys he encountered on a daily basis: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZix8_7f_lY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZix8_7f_lY</a> </p>
<p>In his final journal entry, Eric wrote: </p>
<p>&#8220;I hate you people for leaving me out of so many fun things. And no don&#8217;t &#8212; say, &#8220;well thats your fault&#8221; because it isnt, you people had my phone #, and I asked and all, but no. no no no dont let the weird looking Eric KID come along, ohh &#8212; nooo.&#8221; </p>
<p>Does that sound like someone who was confident and socially successful? </p>
<p>&#8230; </p>
<p>Cullen perpetuates the long-standing myth that Dylan was a sad little emo follower who was totally led by Harris. </p>
<p>The truth is that Dylan wrote about going on a killing spree before Eric.</p>
<p>On Monday, November 3, 1997, Dylan wrote in his journal: </p>
<p>&#8220;[edited] will get me a gun, ill go on my killing spree against anyone I want. more crazy&#8230;deeper in the spiral, lost highway repeating, dwelling on the beautiful past, ([edited] &amp; [edited] gettin drunk) w. me, everyone moves up i always stayed. Abandonment. this room sux. wanna die.&#8221; </p>
<p>He wrote &#8220;*my* killing spree&#8221;, not &#8220;*our* killing spree&#8221;. </p>
<p>&#8230; </p>
<p>Those who have seen the basement tapes have said that, on them, Dylan appears far more eager and enthusiastic than Eric. </p>
<p>On the tapes, Eric apologizes to his family; Dylan does not. </p>
<p>On one tape, Eric is seen alone, tearing up when he thinks about his friends back in Michigan. He even turns the tape off so he will not be captured crying on camera. </p>
<p>If he truly was a pure psychopath, as Cullen claims, is it likely that he would have cried while thinking about old friends? </p>
<p>&#8230; </p>
<p>Cullen writes that Dylan had doubts about &#8220;going NBK&#8221; &#8211; NBK was the killers&#8217; code word for the massacre &#8211; *during* the attack. One wonders how he came to this conclusion. </p>
<p>At the school on 4/20, Dylan was the one who seemed to be enjoying himself. Eric was subdued in comparison. </p>
<p>At one point, Dylan saw one of his victims writhing in pain. </p>
<p>&#8220;Here, let me help you,&#8221; he said &#8211; and shot the boy in the face. </p>
<p>Was that the action of someone who had doubts about what he was doing? </p>
<p>&#8230; </p>
<p>This is not the forum for a thorough debunking of Cullen&#8217;s claims. The bottom line is that the book, while useful in some respects, is *not* the definitive, myth-busting account it purports to be. </p>
<p>Read Mr. Cullen&#8217;s book, but also read Columbine: A True Crime Story&#8221; by Jeff Kass; &#8220;No Easy Answers&#8221; by Brooks Brown; &#8220;Comprehending Columbine&#8221; by Ralph Larkin; and as many other books as you can find. Read the killers&#8217; journals and other writings (www.acolumbinesite.com is a good starting point). Read the documents (*very* begrudgingly) released by law enforcement over the years. </p>
<p>Keep an open mind and remember that the &#8220;truth&#8221; is always very elusive.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, you didn&#039;t answer a question nobody asked. You answered the one that was in my head but never asked explicitly. A book that&#039;s just an expansion of the standard media treatment looks like a fine doorstop to me.

This looks much different, like &lt;i&gt;Going Postal&lt;/i&gt;. Without depth, flesh and deeper questions/conclusions, treatment of these events seems like little more than gawking at an accident scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, you didn&#8217;t answer a question nobody asked. You answered the one that was in my head but never asked explicitly. A book that&#8217;s just an expansion of the standard media treatment looks like a fine doorstop to me.</p>
<p>This looks much different, like <i>Going Postal</i>. Without depth, flesh and deeper questions/conclusions, treatment of these events seems like little more than gawking at an accident scene.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Wellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Wellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking forward to that interview. &lt;i&gt;Columbine&lt;/i&gt; sounds like the first book on the subject worthy of standing with &lt;i&gt;Going Postal: Rage, Murder, and Rebellion&lt;/i&gt; by Mark Ames. (I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/04/school-mall-and-workplace-shootings-why-so-many-no-why-so-few/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reviewed&lt;/a&gt; it for S&amp;R.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to that interview. <i>Columbine</i> sounds like the first book on the subject worthy of standing with <i>Going Postal: Rage, Murder, and Rebellion</i> by Mark Ames. (I <a href="http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/04/school-mall-and-workplace-shootings-why-so-many-no-why-so-few/" rel="nofollow">reviewed</a> it for S&amp;R.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cullen</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/09/17/review-columbine-by-dave-cullen/comment-page-1/#comment-71610</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Cullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cwmackowski, I&#039;d love to. I&#039;ll email. Early next week could work--I&#039;m going back on the road. If anyone is in LA, I&#039;ll be at Book Soup Thursday night. Longmont (near Denver) Tuesday morning. Portland is a private conference, unfortunately. I&#039;ll be in Austin, Nashville, Chicago and Helsinki this fall. I&#039;d love to see some of you, if you get the chance. I know it&#039;s sporadic.

Lex, I have to admit I tuned out most of the school shootings early on, too. They just seemed like nothing I could do about them . . . I don&#039;t know. But as soon as I met the individuals--the survivors--the day this happened, and all that week, it turned my head around. 

I know the media tries to humanize victims by doing little 30-second TV vignettes on them, and 800-word profiles, and I appreciate the intent, but that never worked for me as a viewer/reader. I found out that the kid liked peperoni pizza, but didn&#039;t feel I knew him. I didn&#039;t really connect to those things, as a rule.

That experience as a news consumer helped me figure out what I wanted to do with this book. I wanted you to get to know a smallish group of people pretty well, instead of a vast multitude of people just momentarily. I hated leaving most people out, but I hope it worked that way.

(Shit, did I just answer a question nobody asked? hahaha. You just got me thinking. I was in the same boat ten years ago, and that guided a lot of my thinking. You can decide whether it worked, but that&#039;s why I made those choices.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cwmackowski, I&#8217;d love to. I&#8217;ll email. Early next week could work&#8211;I&#8217;m going back on the road. If anyone is in LA, I&#8217;ll be at Book Soup Thursday night. Longmont (near Denver) Tuesday morning. Portland is a private conference, unfortunately. I&#8217;ll be in Austin, Nashville, Chicago and Helsinki this fall. I&#8217;d love to see some of you, if you get the chance. I know it&#8217;s sporadic.</p>
<p>Lex, I have to admit I tuned out most of the school shootings early on, too. They just seemed like nothing I could do about them . . . I don&#8217;t know. But as soon as I met the individuals&#8211;the survivors&#8211;the day this happened, and all that week, it turned my head around. </p>
<p>I know the media tries to humanize victims by doing little 30-second TV vignettes on them, and 800-word profiles, and I appreciate the intent, but that never worked for me as a viewer/reader. I found out that the kid liked peperoni pizza, but didn&#8217;t feel I knew him. I didn&#8217;t really connect to those things, as a rule.</p>
<p>That experience as a news consumer helped me figure out what I wanted to do with this book. I wanted you to get to know a smallish group of people pretty well, instead of a vast multitude of people just momentarily. I hated leaving most people out, but I hope it worked that way.</p>
<p>(Shit, did I just answer a question nobody asked? hahaha. You just got me thinking. I was in the same boat ten years ago, and that guided a lot of my thinking. You can decide whether it worked, but that&#8217;s why I made those choices.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Publisher trolls...what will the internet think of next? I&#039;ll certainly be keeping an eye out for the book. The event didn&#039;t really register for me at the time. Of course, i&#039;ve read the blah, blah, blah (and a few poignant pieces here) but this is the first time i&#039;ve wanted to sit down and read through the event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Publisher trolls&#8230;what will the internet think of next? I&#8217;ll certainly be keeping an eye out for the book. The event didn&#8217;t really register for me at the time. Of course, i&#8217;ve read the blah, blah, blah (and a few poignant pieces here) but this is the first time i&#8217;ve wanted to sit down and read through the event.</p>
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		<title>By: cwmackowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>cwmackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, thanks for taking the time to read and respond. I&#039;m glad you enjoyed the review--but honestly, it&#039;s easy to write good things about a book that&#039;s so well-researched and well-written. Thank YOU for the conscientious job you did writing what will certainly become a definitive historical document.

If you&#039;d like more &quot;ink,&quot; I&#039;d be happy to write an additional feature if you have time to do a phone interview next week. If you want to set something up, drop me a line at cmackows@sbu.edu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, thanks for taking the time to read and respond. I&#8217;m glad you enjoyed the review&#8211;but honestly, it&#8217;s easy to write good things about a book that&#8217;s so well-researched and well-written. Thank YOU for the conscientious job you did writing what will certainly become a definitive historical document.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d like more &#8220;ink,&#8221; I&#8217;d be happy to write an additional feature if you have time to do a phone interview next week. If you want to set something up, drop me a line at <a href="mailto:cmackows@sbu.edu">cmackows@sbu.edu</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Cullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Slammy, thanks very much. Hearing that makes me very happy.

The book is doing quite well (8 weeks on the NY Times list), but I&#039;m eager to get the word out further.

(FYI, GM is publisher of the local press that put out Kass&#039; book. He (GM) posts that on every blog that mentions my book, presumably after he gets his google alert. Interesting approach. There is also a conspiracy theorist who may stop by, though he seems to have gotten tired of doing it every day.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Slammy, thanks very much. Hearing that makes me very happy.</p>
<p>The book is doing quite well (8 weeks on the NY Times list), but I&#8217;m eager to get the word out further.</p>
<p>(FYI, GM is publisher of the local press that put out Kass&#8217; book. He (GM) posts that on every blog that mentions my book, presumably after he gets his google alert. Interesting approach. There is also a conspiracy theorist who may stop by, though he seems to have gotten tired of doing it every day.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM: The &lt;i&gt;Rocky Mountain News&lt;/i&gt;? I&#039;d have to go back and track down Mr. Kass&#039;s coverage, but let&#039;s not forget that the &lt;i&gt;RMN&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Denver Post&lt;/i&gt; combined to commit &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/09/30/bernall/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one of the two most egregious case of journalistic malpractice I&#039;ve seen in my life&lt;/a&gt;. I&#039;d hope he wasn&#039;t part of the &quot;Cassie said yes&quot; debacle.

Dave - thanks for dropping by. I&#039;ve said repeatedly, and for years, that your coverage and much of what we got from Westword were the only reliable reporting on Columbine. Your work was Pulitzer-worthy, and I hope your book does well for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM: The <i>Rocky Mountain News</i>? I&#8217;d have to go back and track down Mr. Kass&#8217;s coverage, but let&#8217;s not forget that the <i>RMN</i> and <i>Denver Post</i> combined to commit <a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/09/30/bernall/index.html" rel="nofollow">one of the two most egregious case of journalistic malpractice I&#8217;ve seen in my life</a>. I&#8217;d hope he wasn&#8217;t part of the &#8220;Cassie said yes&#8221; debacle.</p>
<p>Dave &#8211; thanks for dropping by. I&#8217;ve said repeatedly, and for years, that your coverage and much of what we got from Westword were the only reliable reporting on Columbine. Your work was Pulitzer-worthy, and I hope your book does well for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Cullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, Thanks so much for that really generous review. 

I&#039;m so glad you highlighted some of the stories of the victims and survivors, especially Patrick Ireland. I really want to give the reader several different windows into this event, because people in the center of it experienced it in completely different ways.

I appreciate the time you put into this review, and your help in spreading the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, Thanks so much for that really generous review. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m so glad you highlighted some of the stories of the victims and survivors, especially Patrick Ireland. I really want to give the reader several different windows into this event, because people in the center of it experienced it in completely different ways.</p>
<p>I appreciate the time you put into this review, and your help in spreading the word.</p>
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		<title>By: gm davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>gm davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Nov. 21, 2008, the Harris and Klebold parents were sent the same letter requesting cooperation. &quot;Your stories have yet to be fully told, and I view your help as an issue of historical significance,&quot; it said. &quot;In 10 years, there have been no major, mainstream books on Columbine. This will be the first, and it may be the only one.&quot; The letter came not from Mr. Cullen but from Jeff Kass, whose Columbine: A True Crime Story, published by the small Ghost Road Press, preceded Columbine by a couple of weeks.

&quot;Mr. Kass, whose tough account is made even sadder by the demise of The Rocky Mountain News in which his Columbine coverage appeared, has also delivered an intensive Columbine overview. Some of the issues he raises and information he digs up go unnoticed by Mr. Cullen.&quot; --Janet Maslin, New York Times 

&quot;A decade after the most dramatic school massacre in American history, Jeff Kass applies his considerable reporting talents to exploring the mystery of how two teens could have planned and carried out such gruesome acts without their own family and best friends knowing about it. Actually, there were important clues, but they were missed or downgraded both by those who knew the boys best and by public officials who came in contact with them. An engrossing and cautionary tale for everyone who cares about how to prevent kids from going bad.&quot; -----Ted Gest, President, Criminal Justice Journalists</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Nov. 21, 2008, the Harris and Klebold parents were sent the same letter requesting cooperation. &#8220;Your stories have yet to be fully told, and I view your help as an issue of historical significance,&#8221; it said. &#8220;In 10 years, there have been no major, mainstream books on Columbine. This will be the first, and it may be the only one.&#8221; The letter came not from Mr. Cullen but from Jeff Kass, whose Columbine: A True Crime Story, published by the small Ghost Road Press, preceded Columbine by a couple of weeks.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr. Kass, whose tough account is made even sadder by the demise of The Rocky Mountain News in which his Columbine coverage appeared, has also delivered an intensive Columbine overview. Some of the issues he raises and information he digs up go unnoticed by Mr. Cullen.&#8221; &#8211;Janet Maslin, New York Times </p>
<p>&#8220;A decade after the most dramatic school massacre in American history, Jeff Kass applies his considerable reporting talents to exploring the mystery of how two teens could have planned and carried out such gruesome acts without their own family and best friends knowing about it. Actually, there were important clues, but they were missed or downgraded both by those who knew the boys best and by public officials who came in contact with them. An engrossing and cautionary tale for everyone who cares about how to prevent kids from going bad.&#8221; &#8212;&#8211;Ted Gest, President, Criminal Justice Journalists</p>
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