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	<title>Comments on: Grasping for salvation</title>
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	<description>Think - it ain&#039;t illegal yet...</description>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/10/03/grasping-for-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-72309</link>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toyota already pays $100/vehicle; the issue, iiuc, is that the same technology is being used without paying license on newer vehicles. I agree with you, Brian, but Toyota&#039;s hybrid system wouldn&#039;t work without the technology in question. To make money on the technology would require building hybrid cars. And i believe that Toyota charges licensing fees to other corporations who use the same hybrid system as Toyota.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toyota already pays $100/vehicle; the issue, iiuc, is that the same technology is being used without paying license on newer vehicles. I agree with you, Brian, but Toyota&#8217;s hybrid system wouldn&#8217;t work without the technology in question. To make money on the technology would require building hybrid cars. And i believe that Toyota charges licensing fees to other corporations who use the same hybrid system as Toyota.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/10/03/grasping-for-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-72306</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that, even if Toyota is infringing, they should have to pay anything.  Just having a patentable idea doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;re automatically entitled to make money from the idea.  And from what I&#039;ve read, the company holding the patent never even tried to make money from it.

I have no patience for patent trolls who make money by litigating against companies who invest the time and money to make a real product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that, even if Toyota is infringing, they should have to pay anything.  Just having a patentable idea doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re automatically entitled to make money from the idea.  And from what I&#8217;ve read, the company holding the patent never even tried to make money from it.</p>
<p>I have no patience for patent trolls who make money by litigating against companies who invest the time and money to make a real product.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Farley, i saw that. It&#039;s amazing that they&#039;re having the problem again after having bought back thousands of Tacomas for 150% of KBB for the same issue. What&#039;s even more amazing is that while the body of my 23 year old pickup is in a losing battle with the rust goblins, the frame is solid.

Did you see that the &quot;solution&quot; to the floor mat problem is zip-tying them to the seat frame? And Toyota will be back in court for patent infringement on the hybrid control system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Farley, i saw that. It&#8217;s amazing that they&#8217;re having the problem again after having bought back thousands of Tacomas for 150% of KBB for the same issue. What&#8217;s even more amazing is that while the body of my 23 year old pickup is in a losing battle with the rust goblins, the frame is solid.</p>
<p>Did you see that the &#8220;solution&#8221; to the floor mat problem is zip-tying them to the seat frame? And Toyota will be back in court for patent infringement on the hybrid control system.</p>
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		<title>By: Farley</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/10/03/grasping-for-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-72287</link>
		<dc:creator>Farley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of rust:

&quot;Federal transportation regulators this week launched a preliminary investigation into an estimated 218,000 early-model Toyota Tundras with possible rust and corrosion defects.&quot;

http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/local/Toyota_Tundras_face_probe_over_rust_issues.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of rust:</p>
<p>&#8220;Federal transportation regulators this week launched a preliminary investigation into an estimated 218,000 early-model Toyota Tundras with possible rust and corrosion defects.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/local/Toyota_Tundras_face_probe_over_rust_issues.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/local/Toyota_Tundras_face_probe_over_rust_issues.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Buzzy Bee</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/10/03/grasping-for-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-72183</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzzy Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no way I can do anything but respond with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-Y3AsZ19Hc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no way I can do anything but respond with this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-Y3AsZ19Hc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-Y3AsZ19Hc</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/10/03/grasping-for-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-72144</link>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any intake of water into the combustion chamber of a gasoline engine pretty much ruins it; hence the snorkels fitted to serious off-road vehicles. Though the worst effects of hydrolocking happen if the engine is submerged and shut off.

Since diesel is compression fired, all you have to do is remove the water from the cylinder. It helps too that the glow plugs are simply heated and the firing order runs mechanically instead of through the ignition system. How the electronics managed to remain functional on that Hilux is amazing, and even in vehicles as old (or older) than that Yoda, there&#039;s a fair amount of electric stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any intake of water into the combustion chamber of a gasoline engine pretty much ruins it; hence the snorkels fitted to serious off-road vehicles. Though the worst effects of hydrolocking happen if the engine is submerged and shut off.</p>
<p>Since diesel is compression fired, all you have to do is remove the water from the cylinder. It helps too that the glow plugs are simply heated and the firing order runs mechanically instead of through the ignition system. How the electronics managed to remain functional on that Hilux is amazing, and even in vehicles as old (or older) than that Yoda, there&#8217;s a fair amount of electric stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salt water is about the nastiest thing you can submerge electronics in, so the spark plugs and wiring to fire a gasoline engine would be toast.

Even with a gasoline engine, I&#039;m amazed it ran after that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salt water is about the nastiest thing you can submerge electronics in, so the spark plugs and wiring to fire a gasoline engine would be toast.</p>
<p>Even with a gasoline engine, I&#8217;m amazed it ran after that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff, eh? Top Gear is far and away the best automotive television ever. Their road test of the new Ford Fiesta is the pinnacle of television automotive journalism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_KIqdS1SO0

It should be noted that submerging one&#039;s truck in the sea for several hours and making it run again is only possible with a diesel engine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff, eh? Top Gear is far and away the best automotive television ever. Their road test of the new Ford Fiesta is the pinnacle of television automotive journalism.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_KIqdS1SO0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_KIqdS1SO0</a></p>
<p>It should be noted that submerging one&#8217;s truck in the sea for several hours and making it run again is only possible with a diesel engine.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/10/03/grasping-for-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-72138</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhhh, that Top Gear piece was beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhhh, that Top Gear piece was beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: Falling Giants? &#124; Akkam's Razor</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/10/03/grasping-for-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-72136</link>
		<dc:creator>Falling Giants? &#124; Akkam's Razor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] floor mat issue is one more problem Toyota didn&#8217;t need (see Scholars and Rogues).  Add to that a story currently below the radar involving a lawsuit and allegations that Toyota [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] floor mat issue is one more problem Toyota didn&#8217;t need (see Scholars and Rogues).  Add to that a story currently below the radar involving a lawsuit and allegations that Toyota [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/10/03/grasping-for-salvation/comment-page-1/#comment-72104</link>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 18:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the second video i linked to, the Top Gear guys managed to break the frame of the Hilux...but it required strapping it to the top of a 13 story apartment block that was blown up and rolling the poor Yoda down the debris pile. The bed and boxsides managed to hold the truck together well enough to drive it away.

Sure, Toyota still makes serviceable vehicles, but the build quality and longevity isn&#039;t much - if any - better than their competitors. They set out to conquer the US market, but it conquered them instead. They don&#039;t make anything that stands above the competition, and for god&#039;s sake they participate in NASCAR.

Rumor has it that VW is going to build a TDI-hybrid Golf. I think that the future will look like Volt, but hopefully with a diesel generator instead of gasoline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the second video i linked to, the Top Gear guys managed to break the frame of the Hilux&#8230;but it required strapping it to the top of a 13 story apartment block that was blown up and rolling the poor Yoda down the debris pile. The bed and boxsides managed to hold the truck together well enough to drive it away.</p>
<p>Sure, Toyota still makes serviceable vehicles, but the build quality and longevity isn&#8217;t much &#8211; if any &#8211; better than their competitors. They set out to conquer the US market, but it conquered them instead. They don&#8217;t make anything that stands above the competition, and for god&#8217;s sake they participate in NASCAR.</p>
<p>Rumor has it that VW is going to build a TDI-hybrid Golf. I think that the future will look like Volt, but hopefully with a diesel generator instead of gasoline.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Angliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Angliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a point when Toyota decided to smooth out the curves on the Land Cruiser in order to &quot;feminize&quot; it - ie make it more attractive to soccer moms.  Gack.

I put my parent&#039;s 1984 Land Cruiser wagon in a 12 foot ditch at 45 MPH after driving over a barbed-wire fence and flattening the iron fence posts.  The front end was totaled, and repair cost ~$5,000 (excluding the new tires that I replaced out of my summer job income the next summer), if I remember correctly.  I remember my dad worrying about whether the energy of the impact was enough to bend the frame.  The bodyshop owner running the estimate for insurance told my dad that he&#039;d never seen a Land Cruiser with a bent frame, even on vehicles that were later totaled because repairing &lt;em&gt;everything else&lt;/em&gt; cost more than just replacing the vehicle.

I would still drive a Toyota, and did until a few years ago when my Corolla got totaled (sniff) in a smashup during my commute to work.  The only reason I didn&#039;t get another Corolla when I went looking again was because Honda had come out with an updated Civic model that could actually accelerate, which it couldn&#039;t when I initially bought the Corolla.

The point of all this is that I think that Toyotas are still great vehicles, even if they&#039;re not as tough as they used to be.  Alas, most other car manufacturers have sunk further faster, leaving Toyotas as some of the best cars out there.

No-one makes my ideal car, though - a clean diesel powered plug-in hybrid all-wheel drive sedan.  Notice to car manufacturers (esp Toyota, Subaru, &amp; Volkswagon) - the first company to make the above described vehicle probably gets at least one sale!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a point when Toyota decided to smooth out the curves on the Land Cruiser in order to &#8220;feminize&#8221; it &#8211; ie make it more attractive to soccer moms.  Gack.</p>
<p>I put my parent&#8217;s 1984 Land Cruiser wagon in a 12 foot ditch at 45 MPH after driving over a barbed-wire fence and flattening the iron fence posts.  The front end was totaled, and repair cost ~$5,000 (excluding the new tires that I replaced out of my summer job income the next summer), if I remember correctly.  I remember my dad worrying about whether the energy of the impact was enough to bend the frame.  The bodyshop owner running the estimate for insurance told my dad that he&#8217;d never seen a Land Cruiser with a bent frame, even on vehicles that were later totaled because repairing <em>everything else</em> cost more than just replacing the vehicle.</p>
<p>I would still drive a Toyota, and did until a few years ago when my Corolla got totaled (sniff) in a smashup during my commute to work.  The only reason I didn&#8217;t get another Corolla when I went looking again was because Honda had come out with an updated Civic model that could actually accelerate, which it couldn&#8217;t when I initially bought the Corolla.</p>
<p>The point of all this is that I think that Toyotas are still great vehicles, even if they&#8217;re not as tough as they used to be.  Alas, most other car manufacturers have sunk further faster, leaving Toyotas as some of the best cars out there.</p>
<p>No-one makes my ideal car, though &#8211; a clean diesel powered plug-in hybrid all-wheel drive sedan.  Notice to car manufacturers (esp Toyota, Subaru, &#038; Volkswagon) &#8211; the first company to make the above described vehicle probably gets at least one sale!</p>
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