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	<title>Comments on: Joe the Heart Patient</title>
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		<title>By: KJ</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/10/14/joe-the-heart-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-74679</link>
		<dc:creator>KJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just great. I mean, honestly, I have no other words to describe it.

Listen, I&#039;m a registered voter. I registered as Independent because personally, I think that to associate oneself with a specific political party is foolish. You should be entitled to your own political opinions and not let your party dictate them for you. That being said, I&#039;ll be the first to tell you that I definitely sway more towards the left side of the political spectrum. That is, until it comes to the healthcare reform. When it comes to that, my views on the topic are so conservative that when I look to the right, I see no one else (except for maybe this Joe character...at least I&#039;m in good company). 

The healthcare reform is something that outright scares the shit out of me. The government already takes enough of my tax dollars to fund government assistance programs such as Section 8, Food Stamps, etc., and sure, there are certainly some people who benefit from this program who actually deserve and need it. But a vast majority of the beneficiaries are (sorry to sound ignorant) illegals who want a free ride in this country. So now I get to pay for their health insurance, too? YIPPEE!! I&#039;m sorry, but years and years ago when my great-grandmother emigrated to this country from the Ukrane, after being imprisoned in Poland for simply crossing the Poland/Ukrane border, leaving my great-aunt to take care of her younger brother and sister, the last thing she asked for was handouts, and she was actually here legally. She and her husband (who had come to America a few years prior) got jobs making pennies per hour, learned English, and (gasp) actually supported themselves and their children, because the government back then wasn&#039;t so apt to assist each and every person that swims, boats, flies, walks, or drives their ass into this country.  

Sorry if I digress, but the point I&#039;m trying to make here is, sure, our country could use a new healthcare system. But the proposed one is hardly an answer to the problem. So until Wonderboy Obama can come up with one that is more sound, Joe and I will be hanging out over on the conservative end of things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just great. I mean, honestly, I have no other words to describe it.</p>
<p>Listen, I&#8217;m a registered voter. I registered as Independent because personally, I think that to associate oneself with a specific political party is foolish. You should be entitled to your own political opinions and not let your party dictate them for you. That being said, I&#8217;ll be the first to tell you that I definitely sway more towards the left side of the political spectrum. That is, until it comes to the healthcare reform. When it comes to that, my views on the topic are so conservative that when I look to the right, I see no one else (except for maybe this Joe character&#8230;at least I&#8217;m in good company). </p>
<p>The healthcare reform is something that outright scares the shit out of me. The government already takes enough of my tax dollars to fund government assistance programs such as Section 8, Food Stamps, etc., and sure, there are certainly some people who benefit from this program who actually deserve and need it. But a vast majority of the beneficiaries are (sorry to sound ignorant) illegals who want a free ride in this country. So now I get to pay for their health insurance, too? YIPPEE!! I&#8217;m sorry, but years and years ago when my great-grandmother emigrated to this country from the Ukrane, after being imprisoned in Poland for simply crossing the Poland/Ukrane border, leaving my great-aunt to take care of her younger brother and sister, the last thing she asked for was handouts, and she was actually here legally. She and her husband (who had come to America a few years prior) got jobs making pennies per hour, learned English, and (gasp) actually supported themselves and their children, because the government back then wasn&#8217;t so apt to assist each and every person that swims, boats, flies, walks, or drives their ass into this country.  </p>
<p>Sorry if I digress, but the point I&#8217;m trying to make here is, sure, our country could use a new healthcare system. But the proposed one is hardly an answer to the problem. So until Wonderboy Obama can come up with one that is more sound, Joe and I will be hanging out over on the conservative end of things.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The GI Bill is still leaving me with 50 grand in student loans by the time I am done, Social Security is doomed, the federal reserve shouldn&#039;t even exist, the FAA does a good job for all I know, the SEC are you serious???? Being in the Army let me tell you a little story.  At the end of every training year the Battalion Ammo NCO would bring us hundreds of thousands of dollars worth or unused ammo and munitions and say &quot;Use it!&quot; cause if we didn&#039;t we would lose money the next year in our training budget so every year my  unit and others(there are a few units if you care to count in all the branches of the military) wastes money.  That is only one example of course.

to bad you couldn&#039;t actually die before whining about it.  We all die in case you were unaware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GI Bill is still leaving me with 50 grand in student loans by the time I am done, Social Security is doomed, the federal reserve shouldn&#8217;t even exist, the FAA does a good job for all I know, the SEC are you serious???? Being in the Army let me tell you a little story.  At the end of every training year the Battalion Ammo NCO would bring us hundreds of thousands of dollars worth or unused ammo and munitions and say &#8220;Use it!&#8221; cause if we didn&#8217;t we would lose money the next year in our training budget so every year my  unit and others(there are a few units if you care to count in all the branches of the military) wastes money.  That is only one example of course.</p>
<p>to bad you couldn&#8217;t actually die before whining about it.  We all die in case you were unaware.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In short, I think I hear your anger, and I know I hear a lot of arguments that are shaped by ideology. What I did NOT hear, though, was an answer to the question. 

It&#039;s interesting that you can see how lawsuits have skyrocketed, but you seem unable to connect the dots regarding how this has correlated with rampant deregulation. A lot of people might argue that the ideal approach would be to nip that little litigation problem in the bud by removing the cause - that is, let&#039;s not let corps run hog wild. (BTW, if we&#039;re going to talk about campaign contributions the way we might talk about chlamydia, which party benefits the most from CORPORATE donations? I mean, I assume you want a fair and balanced conversation here, right?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In short, I think I hear your anger, and I know I hear a lot of arguments that are shaped by ideology. What I did NOT hear, though, was an answer to the question. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that you can see how lawsuits have skyrocketed, but you seem unable to connect the dots regarding how this has correlated with rampant deregulation. A lot of people might argue that the ideal approach would be to nip that little litigation problem in the bud by removing the cause &#8211; that is, let&#8217;s not let corps run hog wild. (BTW, if we&#8217;re going to talk about campaign contributions the way we might talk about chlamydia, which party benefits the most from CORPORATE donations? I mean, I assume you want a fair and balanced conversation here, right?)</p>
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		<title>By: vesey</title>
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		<dc:creator>vesey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conservative elements want tort reform which will lower insurance costs by getting a grip on the absurd &quot;pain &amp; suffering&quot; awards which make lawyers rich and drives up the cost of insurance to doctors and hospitals. Guess who pays for that....we do.Also doctors and hospitals live in such fear of lawsuits that they have a multitude of tests and consultations that are unneeded just to cover their butts. Who do you think pays for that....we do. Conservatives want to allow us to get insurance across state lines so if i can get insurance cheaper in Pennsylvania instead of the state i live in then i can. That would promote large savings in insurance costs. Why are neither of these changes part of the Pelosi horror ?? Because the libs refuse to enact either change. Over 80% of all lawyer and lawyer association political contributions go to Democrat politicians. Who do you think pays for that Slammy...we do..If you and the libs were serious about insurance reform that will drop the cost of insurance and make it available to most people then you would insist on real change, but your so stuck on your ideology that you are incapable of thinking. If this soumds angry it is because me and others that know whays really going on are sick of it. You said yourself that the libs are giving us &quot;a mess&quot;. I can&#039;t possibly imagine why you support that other than stupidity. I&#039;m not wasting my time with you anymore, get the facts before you rant your hate against the very people that are trying to help you....................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservative elements want tort reform which will lower insurance costs by getting a grip on the absurd &#8220;pain &amp; suffering&#8221; awards which make lawyers rich and drives up the cost of insurance to doctors and hospitals. Guess who pays for that&#8230;.we do.Also doctors and hospitals live in such fear of lawsuits that they have a multitude of tests and consultations that are unneeded just to cover their butts. Who do you think pays for that&#8230;.we do. Conservatives want to allow us to get insurance across state lines so if i can get insurance cheaper in Pennsylvania instead of the state i live in then i can. That would promote large savings in insurance costs. Why are neither of these changes part of the Pelosi horror ?? Because the libs refuse to enact either change. Over 80% of all lawyer and lawyer association political contributions go to Democrat politicians. Who do you think pays for that Slammy&#8230;we do..If you and the libs were serious about insurance reform that will drop the cost of insurance and make it available to most people then you would insist on real change, but your so stuck on your ideology that you are incapable of thinking. If this soumds angry it is because me and others that know whays really going on are sick of it. You said yourself that the libs are giving us &#8220;a mess&#8221;. I can&#8217;t possibly imagine why you support that other than stupidity. I&#8217;m not wasting my time with you anymore, get the facts before you rant your hate against the very people that are trying to help you&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, they don&#039;t want to be on the plan themselves because it is dramatically inferior to what they have now. I didn&#039;t realize this was a mystery. What Pelosi (who I do not love, btw) ought to be whipping is a plan that gets all Americans the quality of care that Congress has.

This isn&#039;t happening because of the legislature&#039;s conservative elements - the GOP and the Blue Dogs. So I guess I&#039;d agree that Pelosi and Reid and Obama are on the verge of giving us a &quot;mess,&quot; but it doesn&#039;t take a genius to understand that said mess is a direct result of Congress&#039;s right and &quot;center&quot; elements. So honestly, I&#039;m not sure where you&#039;re going as a self-professed conservative. The math would indicate that you&#039;re indicting yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they don&#8217;t want to be on the plan themselves because it is dramatically inferior to what they have now. I didn&#8217;t realize this was a mystery. What Pelosi (who I do not love, btw) ought to be whipping is a plan that gets all Americans the quality of care that Congress has.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t happening because of the legislature&#8217;s conservative elements &#8211; the GOP and the Blue Dogs. So I guess I&#8217;d agree that Pelosi and Reid and Obama are on the verge of giving us a &#8220;mess,&#8221; but it doesn&#8217;t take a genius to understand that said mess is a direct result of Congress&#8217;s right and &#8220;center&#8221; elements. So honestly, I&#8217;m not sure where you&#8217;re going as a self-professed conservative. The math would indicate that you&#8217;re indicting yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: vesey</title>
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		<dc:creator>vesey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 06:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush is&#039;nt president or speaker of the house and has nothing to do with the health scam being concocted by the libs.Slammy, should the lib politicos that want to shove this plan down are throats be exempt from it ?? why won&#039;t they vote to put themselves on it ?? this is the subject, not your hard on against Bush. stay on the subject or drop out of the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush is&#8217;nt president or speaker of the house and has nothing to do with the health scam being concocted by the libs.Slammy, should the lib politicos that want to shove this plan down are throats be exempt from it ?? why won&#8217;t they vote to put themselves on it ?? this is the subject, not your hard on against Bush. stay on the subject or drop out of the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Slammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Slammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I also believe that tort reform is vitally needed to stop the rapacious lawsuits&lt;/em&gt;

But you probably DON&#039;T believe that we need stringent regulation of the corporations whose products necessitate those lawsuits, do you?

As for the &quot;Pelosi disaster,&quot; I don&#039;t recall you ever wandering in here before January of this year to carp about the &quot;Bush disaster.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I also believe that tort reform is vitally needed to stop the rapacious lawsuits</em></p>
<p>But you probably DON&#8217;T believe that we need stringent regulation of the corporations whose products necessitate those lawsuits, do you?</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;Pelosi disaster,&#8221; I don&#8217;t recall you ever wandering in here before January of this year to carp about the &#8220;Bush disaster.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: vesey</title>
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		<dc:creator>vesey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a conservative that does not see the wisdom of a public option i do agree that there should be regulations that preclude insurance from denying pre existing conditions. I also believe that tort reform is vitally needed to stop the rapacious lawsuits and also insurers should be allowed to cross state lines thus creating more competition. I also beleive that all politicians,pres,v-pres all cabinet officers and all congressmen and senators should have to live under the Pelosi disaster. Liberals should ask there dem politicos why they 11 times voted down amendments that would require them to also be on the Pelosi plan. Can liberals figure out why ?? I can.......................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a conservative that does not see the wisdom of a public option i do agree that there should be regulations that preclude insurance from denying pre existing conditions. I also believe that tort reform is vitally needed to stop the rapacious lawsuits and also insurers should be allowed to cross state lines thus creating more competition. I also beleive that all politicians,pres,v-pres all cabinet officers and all congressmen and senators should have to live under the Pelosi disaster. Liberals should ask there dem politicos why they 11 times voted down amendments that would require them to also be on the Pelosi plan. Can liberals figure out why ?? I can&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: cool guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cool guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;best insurance in the world&quot; ......... sucker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;best insurance in the world&#8221; &#8230;&#8230;&#8230; sucker</p>
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		<title>By: Cheek and Bluster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheek and Bluster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Life, Liberty, and the Denial of Benefits...&lt;/strong&gt;

Over at Scholars &amp; Rogues, Rick Herschlag has spun out a post so good it gave me one of those moments of &#8220;damn, I wish I&#8217;d written that!&#8221; What&#8217;s the word for that &#8212; writeolization? Pen envy? 
I want to keep the health...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Life, Liberty, and the Denial of Benefits&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Over at Scholars &#38; Rogues, Rick Herschlag has spun out a post so good it gave me one of those moments of &#8220;damn, I wish I&#8217;d written that!&#8221; What&#8217;s the word for that &#8212; writeolization? Pen envy?<br />
I want to keep the health&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jeff watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had the best insurance in the world and my lovely wife died at age 49 of ovarian cancer that metastasized, Insurance or not, there was nothing we could do.  Not to minimize your condition or feelings, my heart goes out to you and I wish you well and hope that your prognosis improves.

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had the best insurance in the world and my lovely wife died at age 49 of ovarian cancer that metastasized, Insurance or not, there was nothing we could do.  Not to minimize your condition or feelings, my heart goes out to you and I wish you well and hope that your prognosis improves.</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Shortell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Shortell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bleeding heart liberal commie pinko anti-American leftist homosexual traitors&quot;

God bless you sir. As a child, I think my father called me that when he learned my favorite animal wasn&#039;t from North America (it may have just been &quot;pinko commie&quot;). I have since straightened up, and with your wisdom, perhaps America can straighten up, too.

Oh, and you could count state colleges depending on your view of them. And the School of the Americas, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bleeding heart liberal commie pinko anti-American leftist homosexual traitors&#8221;</p>
<p>God bless you sir. As a child, I think my father called me that when he learned my favorite animal wasn&#8217;t from North America (it may have just been &#8220;pinko commie&#8221;). I have since straightened up, and with your wisdom, perhaps America can straighten up, too.</p>
<p>Oh, and you could count state colleges depending on your view of them. And the School of the Americas, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: CHC</title>
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		<dc:creator>CHC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel the same way. I have a small case of swine flu. The other passengers on my morning bus ride to work are started to get annoyed about all the coughing and sneezing. But since they dont want to pay for my doctor visit, then they get to share the fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel the same way. I have a small case of swine flu. The other passengers on my morning bus ride to work are started to get annoyed about all the coughing and sneezing. But since they dont want to pay for my doctor visit, then they get to share the fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, I wish it were all a cynical joke, but it&#039;s real, or maybe surreal. It takes a lot to bring a human being into the world and keep them going. We can&#039;t afford to just throw them away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I wish it were all a cynical joke, but it&#8217;s real, or maybe surreal. It takes a lot to bring a human being into the world and keep them going. We can&#8217;t afford to just throw them away.</p>
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		<title>By: fikshun</title>
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		<dc:creator>fikshun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn straight.  All men are created equal.  If some develop heart conditions, then surely it&#039;s because of the freedom of choice our great nation affords us.  Smoking and diets high in saturated fat?  These are not scourges.  They are God-given rights!  Genetic disorders?  Bah!  The Good Lord never gives us more than we can handle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn straight.  All men are created equal.  If some develop heart conditions, then surely it&#8217;s because of the freedom of choice our great nation affords us.  Smoking and diets high in saturated fat?  These are not scourges.  They are God-given rights!  Genetic disorders?  Bah!  The Good Lord never gives us more than we can handle.</p>
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