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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/10/24/susan-klebold-speaks/comment-page-1/#comment-73041</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lex,

You&#039;re right. I don&#039;t know how I could have interpreted &quot;that&#039;s different... neither white nor nominally Christian&quot; as a commentary on the possible biases of a Western media outlet. Crazy. And I didn&#039;t even make sure the piece took place in Afghanistan or Pakistan, so hey. Right again.

As for content, an examination of the emotional state of a teenager who, under the influence of a much stronger personality, is willing to commit suicide and mass murder... oh, right. It wasn&#039;t written by her mother. Nothing at all in common with the Klebold piece. Sorry I misunderstood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lex,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right. I don&#8217;t know how I could have interpreted &#8220;that&#8217;s different&#8230; neither white nor nominally Christian&#8221; as a commentary on the possible biases of a Western media outlet. Crazy. And I didn&#8217;t even make sure the piece took place in Afghanistan or Pakistan, so hey. Right again.</p>
<p>As for content, an examination of the emotional state of a teenager who, under the influence of a much stronger personality, is willing to commit suicide and mass murder&#8230; oh, right. It wasn&#8217;t written by her mother. Nothing at all in common with the Klebold piece. Sorry I misunderstood.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J.S.,

Indeed, and that most certainly represents a deeper societal psychosis. And without a doubt, those thought patterns are found across religions and nationalities. I would imagine, given how intensely personal and emotional these situations are, that the reaction of mothers varies quite a bit. While some feel pride, i wonder how often that pride comes out of anger? I also wonder how many of them don&#039;t feel pride, but feel a lot like Susan Klebold. And my point was that we&#039;re unlikely to hear stories like that because it upsets the current &quot;fight the evil doers&quot; narrative.

Anonymous,

That article was not, by any stretch of the imagination, the same as the Klebold article. That article makes the female suicide bomber look like a victim of others&#039; whims (particularly the finding about coercion). Furthermore, that article is within the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict which has many sympathizers on the Palestinian side here in the US.

Most importantly, my comment was phrased (though i see that i forgot the punctuation) as a question, &quot;I wonder when...&quot; I also specified a conflict. So, even considering my snark, i don&#039;t see how i judged before researching since i didn&#039;t judge at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.S.,</p>
<p>Indeed, and that most certainly represents a deeper societal psychosis. And without a doubt, those thought patterns are found across religions and nationalities. I would imagine, given how intensely personal and emotional these situations are, that the reaction of mothers varies quite a bit. While some feel pride, i wonder how often that pride comes out of anger? I also wonder how many of them don&#8217;t feel pride, but feel a lot like Susan Klebold. And my point was that we&#8217;re unlikely to hear stories like that because it upsets the current &#8220;fight the evil doers&#8221; narrative.</p>
<p>Anonymous,</p>
<p>That article was not, by any stretch of the imagination, the same as the Klebold article. That article makes the female suicide bomber look like a victim of others&#8217; whims (particularly the finding about coercion). Furthermore, that article is within the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict which has many sympathizers on the Palestinian side here in the US.</p>
<p>Most importantly, my comment was phrased (though i see that i forgot the punctuation) as a question, &#8220;I wonder when&#8230;&#8221; I also specified a conflict. So, even considering my snark, i don&#8217;t see how i judged before researching since i didn&#8217;t judge at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.oprah.com/article/omagazine/omag_200506_girls

Not a fan of Oprah. Also not a fan of judging before researching.</description>
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<p>Not a fan of Oprah. Also not a fan of judging before researching.</p>
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		<title>By: JS OBrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS OBrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lex,

I think there&#039;s one more difference:  many mothers of suicide bombers are quite proud of their children and what they&#039;ve done. That doesn&#039;t mean all, but I have seen short TV interviews with parents of bombers, including mothers, who expressed pride.  Having been brought up by a mother somewhat like that, this doesn&#039;t surprise me at all and makes it clear that this sort of pride, whether it be of a suicide bomber, kamikaze pilot, or US pilot who drops a bomb in the middle of a wedding party, is not specific to cultures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lex,</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s one more difference:  many mothers of suicide bombers are quite proud of their children and what they&#8217;ve done. That doesn&#8217;t mean all, but I have seen short TV interviews with parents of bombers, including mothers, who expressed pride.  Having been brought up by a mother somewhat like that, this doesn&#8217;t surprise me at all and makes it clear that this sort of pride, whether it be of a suicide bomber, kamikaze pilot, or US pilot who drops a bomb in the middle of a wedding party, is not specific to cultures.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a provoking read, and one which should make it difficult to frame either son or mother as monsters.

I wonder when Oprah will publish a similar essay written by the mother of a suicide bomber in Afghanistan or Pakistan. I know, i know, that&#039;s different because those people are neither white nor nominally Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a provoking read, and one which should make it difficult to frame either son or mother as monsters.</p>
<p>I wonder when Oprah will publish a similar essay written by the mother of a suicide bomber in Afghanistan or Pakistan. I know, i know, that&#8217;s different because those people are neither white nor nominally Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Wellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Wellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; I think I believed that if I loved someone as deeply as I loved him, I would know if he were in trouble. My maternal instincts would keep him safe. But I didn&#039;t know. And my instincts weren&#039;t enough. And the fact that I never saw tragedy coming is still almost inconceivable to me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Many (most?) teenagers have an impenetrable space within them. Even those who seem like an open book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I think I believed that if I loved someone as deeply as I loved him, I would know if he were in trouble. My maternal instincts would keep him safe. But I didn&#8217;t know. And my instincts weren&#8217;t enough. And the fact that I never saw tragedy coming is still almost inconceivable to me.</p></blockquote>
<p>Many (most?) teenagers have an impenetrable space within them. Even those who seem like an open book.</p>
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		<title>By: JS OBrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS OBrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I&#039;ll never forget that day and my AA charging out of the office in a bawling panic because she had a child at Columbine.

I can&#039;t imagine what the parents of both the victims and the perpetrators must feel.

Thanks for linking this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I&#8217;ll never forget that day and my AA charging out of the office in a bawling panic because she had a child at Columbine.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine what the parents of both the victims and the perpetrators must feel.</p>
<p>Thanks for linking this.</p>
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