Comments on: Tournament of Rock – Legends: the Nirvana pod

By: Retro Hound

Retro Hound — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:55:36 +0000

With the Sex Pistols in the last pod and Nirvana in this pod, I can’t help feeling (in regards to Nirvana) “Ever feel like you’ve been cheated?” Nirvana was part of a wave and wasn’t even the best of the wave, but somehow have been elevated above the rest of the lets-kick-rock-in-the-jock-again grunge kids.

By: Brian Angliss

Brian Angliss — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:07:32 +0000

Agreed, Uber. Agreed.

By: Tom Shortell

Tom Shortell — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:01:38 +0000

Thanks for calling me out on that Mike. Metallica definitely belongs in that camp. Hell, IMHO, I’ve only seen two legends live – a high, calling-it-in Bob Dylan and Metallica.

Like I said Sam, others will get there. That includes most of those guys. My dislike of U2 could be clouding my judgement, too.

By: Ubertramp

Ubertramp — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:54:04 +0000

Most of whom have already been takin’ outta this particular dance.

By: Dr. Slammy

Dr. Slammy — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:40:35 +0000

Hmmm. Good point. And good question – who have been undisputed game-changers over the past 25 years? Nirvana, to be sure. Metallica. Probably Green Day. U2 and REM. I’d probably add NIN.

By: Mike Sheehan

Mike Sheehan — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:21:19 +0000

“Nirvana is the only rock band in the last 25 years that can legitimately claim to be a legend at this point.”

Where’s your IMHO? Myriad Metallica fans would hotly, and rightfully, dispute this claim.

By: leTerrassier

leTerrassier — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:05:17 +0000

I like that Cobain’s wearing a Flipper shirt. Now, where’s their pod?

Also, while I worship grunge, I can’t stand Pearl Jam. They’re just so… boring. I mean, compared to Nirvana, Screaming Trees, and even Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam just sounds like lame, over-produced, classic rock radio music.

By: Dr. Slammy

Dr. Slammy — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:43:59 +0000

D: I was mainly bitching at Brian for trying to convince people that this pod was PJ vs. Nirvana.

By: Brian Angliss

Brian Angliss — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:40:51 +0000

We’ve had a problem with the “edit” feature recently as a result of a plugin update problem. We’re not exactly thrilled by it, but we haven’t had a chance to revert to the prior plugin version yet. This weekend, hopefully.

By: Darrell

Darrell — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:37:49 +0000

“Mainly because, you know, Pearl Jam isn’t even in the pod.”

Sam I know PJ isn’t in the pod, and when reread it I realized how that could be mistaken. I hit submit and I planned on rewording it, but you guys ditched the edit feature.

So basically……..
Nirvana by a mile over Los Lobos and Johnny Cougar

and

I like Nirvana and PJ

By: Brian Angliss

Brian Angliss — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:28:55 +0000

And as I pointed out repeatedly, I don’t get REM. At all. I’d probably get native Venusian cloud flutes (if they existed) more easily than I get REM.

I stopped bitching about some of the music once you pointed out that some of the electronica I thought might fit the definition of rock&roll you’re using for TOR would be handled in a later TOR. Maybe you can pull together a TOR for some of the more maligned genres.

By: Brian Angliss

Brian Angliss — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:21:09 +0000

Relax, Sam – Nirvana’s going to win unless something really weird happens. They’ve got a comfortable lead in the percentages, so unless that represents less than 10 votes somehow, you’re safe.

By: Dr. Slammy

Dr. Slammy — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:20:05 +0000

I can’t speak for fikshun, but I’ve wondered what the heck you were thinking several times. The REM pod was the one that baffled me the most, probably…

Still, you’ve been right to argue in favor of more respect for genres that have been dismissed out of hand.

By: Brian Angliss

Brian Angliss — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:16:38 +0000

Yes, fikshun, I think Pearl Jam is much better than Nirvana and yes, I think history will bear me out. Part of that is that Pearl Jam has outlasted Nirvana (due to Cobain) and is still producing great music today, and so Pearl Jam has the potential for a much longer and wider legacy than Nirvana.

Clearly I’m in the minority, but that doesn’t really bother me. That’s not unusual.

And as Sam pointed out, this TOR is sorely lacking in some key music. Alas, it was not to be.

Which pod, if you don’t mind saying? I’m curious. I’d hazard a guess that it was Sisters of Mercy, REM, or Rush.

By: Dr. Slammy

Dr. Slammy — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:11:35 +0000

Mainly because, you know, Pearl Jam isn’t even in the pod.

Thanks a lot, Brian.

By: Darrell

Darrell — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:06:02 +0000

I will say this. The New PJ CD is freaking awesome. It’s filled with polished, short, hook driven guitar rock, something I love. Even the songs that are slower are fantastic. If you liked them in the past I highly recommend at least giving it a listen. As far as PJ/Nirvana I liked both band equally for different reasons, but went with Nirvana here.

By: Tom Shortell

Tom Shortell — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:50:43 +0000

Now that all the bands are in, I find it hard to believe that Nirvana only warrants a #3 seed. I’d argue they’re the strongest band in their region. Probably Fillmore, too, though Led Zep is no pushover.

Maybe it’s a generational thing (my music taste started to develop after Cobain’s death), but Nirvana is the only rock band in the last 25 years that can legitimately claim to be a legend at this point. Others will get there (I’ve made my support of Green Day and REM known), but they’re the only one to reach the spot already. Sadly, that may have more to do with Cobain’s death than any other factor, though their music is assuredly deserving on its own merits.

In case you couldn’t tell, I went with Nirvana.

By: Dr. Slammy

Dr. Slammy — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:11:33 +0000

Now now. Brian is educable, despite his occasionally weird takes on tuneage.

Remember, he was the one lobbying the hardest for a lot of the goth and industrialish entries.

By: Mike Sheehan

Mike Sheehan — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:50:51 +0000

“The Stones laid an Altamont on all comers”

Yikes, lol.

By: fikshun

fikshun — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:18:00 +0000

Really, Brian? REALLY?!?! Okay, admittedly I lost respect for your musical taste in an earlier pod but taking Pearl Jam over Nirvana is like that Lewis Black “if it’d hadn’t been for that horse …” line. It’s such an unfathomable conclusion that I find myself questioning your global heating conclusions.