Comments on: E&P’s demise a loss for journalism’s public service mission http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/12/10/eps-demise-a-loss-for-journalisms-public-service-mission/ Think. It ain't illegal yet... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:13:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bushfatgue http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/12/10/eps-demise-a-loss-for-journalisms-public-service-mission/comment-page-1/#comment-75502 Bushfatgue Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:45:45 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=13544#comment-75502 I hope this closure isn't due to the often fearless reporting of stories the MSM had little interest in, or in the steady criticism it leveled against the shortcomings of the media in reporting on Iraq, the financial crisis and more. I hope this closure isn’t due to the often fearless reporting of stories the MSM had little interest in, or in the steady criticism it leveled against the shortcomings of the media in reporting on Iraq, the financial crisis and more.

]]> By: Mike Sheehan http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/12/10/eps-demise-a-loss-for-journalisms-public-service-mission/comment-page-1/#comment-75492 Mike Sheehan Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:39:48 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=13544#comment-75492 As a senior editor at Raw Story, I can personally attest to the value of E&P in the big picture of journalism. They will be SORELY missed. i.e., this fucking sucks As a senior editor at Raw Story, I can personally attest to the value of E&P in the big picture of journalism. They will be SORELY missed.

i.e., this fucking sucks

]]> By: garry http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/12/10/eps-demise-a-loss-for-journalisms-public-service-mission/comment-page-1/#comment-75485 garry Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:28:45 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=13544#comment-75485 I worked on the same beats as Mark Fitzgerald in the early 80s – as a competitor – and am saddened to hear this news. Mark is the ultimate professional and what remains of print journalism takes a heavy, heavy blow with this news. I worked on the same beats as Mark Fitzgerald in the early 80s – as a competitor – and am saddened to hear this news. Mark is the ultimate professional and what remains of print journalism takes a heavy, heavy blow with this news.

]]> By: Sean Paul Kelley http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/12/10/eps-demise-a-loss-for-journalisms-public-service-mission/comment-page-1/#comment-75484 Sean Paul Kelley Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:17:30 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=13544#comment-75484 <a href="http://agonist.org/sean_paul_kelley/20091210/provide_a_public_service_with_small_profits_or_destroy_it_with_large_ones" rel="nofollow">I blame it on the inter-webs! </a> I blame it on the inter-webs!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/12/10/eps-demise-a-loss-for-journalisms-public-service-mission/comment-page-1/#comment-75481 Anonymous Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:09:56 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=13544#comment-75481 Sad news, indeed, Denny. Another place where one can send students to learn about the people who report the news gone.... But, hell, we've still got Fox News, right...? Sad news, indeed, Denny. Another place where one can send students to learn about the people who report the news gone….

But, hell, we’ve still got Fox News, right…?

]]> By: Dr. Denny http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/12/10/eps-demise-a-loss-for-journalisms-public-service-mission/comment-page-1/#comment-75474 Dr. Denny Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:04:11 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=13544#comment-75474 From Rick Edmonds' Biz Blog at Poynter today: Were he still here, [Leo] Bogart would certainly have had a clear-eyed view of what killed E&P: Its advertising base collapsed. The herd of vendors to the shrinking industry has thinned. Newspaper company image ads are an indulgence long since a casualty of belt-tightening. E&P had developed competitors (among them Poynter Online) for media news and for the currently depressed volume of job classifieds it once monopolized. The publication transitioned early and relatively gracefully to the Web, but like the industry itself, almost certainly found advertisers reluctant to follow. The fine ground-level hustle and smart reporting of Jen Saba, Mark Fitzgerald and Joe Strupp wasn't enough to overcome these market forces. Breathing room for struggling enterprises is badly out of fashion right now. Read the rest at: http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=123&aid=174767 From Rick Edmonds’ Biz Blog at Poynter today:

Were he still here, [Leo] Bogart would certainly have had a clear-eyed view of what killed E&P: Its advertising base collapsed. The herd of vendors to the shrinking industry has thinned. Newspaper company image ads are an indulgence long since a casualty of belt-tightening.

E&P had developed competitors (among them Poynter Online) for media news and for the currently depressed volume of job classifieds it once monopolized. The publication transitioned early and relatively gracefully to the Web, but like the industry itself, almost certainly found advertisers reluctant to follow.

The fine ground-level hustle and smart reporting of Jen Saba, Mark Fitzgerald and Joe Strupp wasn’t enough to overcome these market forces. Breathing room for struggling enterprises is badly out of fashion right now.

Read the rest at: http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=123&aid=174767

]]> By: Russ Wellen http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/12/10/eps-demise-a-loss-for-journalisms-public-service-mission/comment-page-1/#comment-75473 Russ Wellen Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:59:40 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=13544#comment-75473 This one really hurts. Greg Mitchell and E&P were just so vital, in both senses of the word. This one really hurts. Greg Mitchell and E&P were just so vital, in both senses of the word.

]]> By: Lex http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/12/10/eps-demise-a-loss-for-journalisms-public-service-mission/comment-page-1/#comment-75466 Lex Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:47:56 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=13544#comment-75466 Wait, democracy isn't synonymous with the profitability of investment banks and hedge funds? In that case, i'm getting a little tired of being choked by Smith's invisible hand. (I'd also like to note that a system based on the belief that all humans will be rational actors <i>and</i> the belief that some supernatural mechanism will guide the system is, prima facia, the stupidest thing i've ever heard.) More full disclosure: i've never been published by E&P, but i'm saddened by the loss too. I'm even more saddened by the priorities that this country holds dear. Wait, democracy isn’t synonymous with the profitability of investment banks and hedge funds?

In that case, i’m getting a little tired of being choked by Smith’s invisible hand. (I’d also like to note that a system based on the belief that all humans will be rational actors and the belief that some supernatural mechanism will guide the system is, prima facia, the stupidest thing i’ve ever heard.)

More full disclosure: i’ve never been published by E&P, but i’m saddened by the loss too. I’m even more saddened by the priorities that this country holds dear.

]]> By: Dr. Slammy http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2009/12/10/eps-demise-a-loss-for-journalisms-public-service-mission/comment-page-1/#comment-75446 Dr. Slammy Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:43:06 +0000 http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/?p=13544#comment-75446 What Denny said. E&P has served an important function and I find myself hoping against hope that it's not fully dead yet after all. (More full disclosure: Like Denny, I've had my work pubbed in E&P - although not nearly as much.) If this is, in fact, the end, best wishes to the staff, especially Greg. I hope they land somewhere quickly. What Denny said. E&P has served an important function and I find myself hoping against hope that it’s not fully dead yet after all.

(More full disclosure: Like Denny, I’ve had my work pubbed in E&P – although not nearly as much.)

If this is, in fact, the end, best wishes to the staff, especially Greg. I hope they land somewhere quickly.

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