Comments on: What Monckton’s AFP event would have looked like if real Nazis had invaded instead of nonviolent climate activists

By: The NonSequitur » I heard you like fallacies

The NonSequitur » I heard you like fallacies — Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:35:18 +0000

[...] he was misusing their work. He’s also hit one of my personal buttons by misunderstanding and cheapening the real history of the Nazis by labeling peaceful, if rowdy, protesters as “Hitler Youth.” And we cannot forget that [...]

By: Scholars and Rogues » Climate disruption denier Monckton responds to detailed scientific rebuttal with attempted intimidation

Fri, 16 Jul 2010 01:35:29 +0000

By: Brian Angliss

Brian Angliss — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 02:33:58 +0000

There’s a whole continuum between “passively sitting in the meeting and doing nothing” and “kicking in the skulls of your enemies like brownshirts did” that you’re ignoring here, Becca. Try to realize that.

By: Dr. Slammy

Dr. Slammy — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:03:32 +0000

I don’t think Becca can read.

By: Becca

Becca — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:41:20 +0000

The activists are clearly narrowminded, selfish, and unable to accept dialogue contrary to their cult-like acceptance of global warming hype. If they weren’t behaving as Nazis, then what were they? Last time I checked, it is the right of anyone to express their ideas, whether anyone agrees with them or not; in fact, regardless of whether anyone agrees with them. They had no right to go in there and stifle the event the way they did. The IPCC and the globalists who wish to implement global taxation and destroy national sovereignty around the world already get enough airtime on mainstream media for their questionable ideas. Stifling a group of people and their right to free speech is nothing of which to be proud.

By: Brian Angliss

Brian Angliss — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:17:24 +0000

No, a single Russian economist who is associated with the Cato Institute (an organization that opposes climate disruption legislation and treaties and is funded by Koch family oil money) has made that allegation. Thus far I know of no official Russian government statement regarding the CRU data, alleged cherry-picking, or what have you. At this point, there's not enough information (in English, anyway) to assess the accuracy of the allegations, so treating them with skepticism would be prudent. Note also that Russia has an economic interest in seeing Copenhagen fail, as noted in this Daily Mail story on the report:

The report was seized on by media with close ties to the Kremlin, which is opposed to rigid new curbs on carbon emissions demanded by many Western countries at the Danish summit. Most of Russia's income is derived from oil and gas, which means its economy could be hit by curbs on carbon emissions.

By: Jeff Watson

Jeff Watson — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:51:33 +0000

Brian, now the Russians are piling on, saying their data was cherry picked.

Jeff

By: Brian Angliss

Brian Angliss — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:03:09 +0000

Mark, did you watch the video of the event where Monckton is heard using the phrase "Hitler youth"? Is it possible that "three Germans and a Dane" gave him that before he walked up there? Possibly. But the fact of the matter is he has repeated the claim publicly at least four times, twice videotaped and twice on his SPPI blog. If he didn't agree with the obviously false characterization, he wouldn't continue to make the claim. And as I illustrated above, he's still wrong about the activists. As for the CRU emails, there's nothing there that impacts the integrity of the science. The scientists involved say so. The AP says so. The NYTimes says so. The Washington Post says so. The journal Nature says so. The American Meteorological Society says so. FactCheck.org says so. The only thing that's truly bad is the request to delete emails pertaining to an FOI request, and that has nothing to do with the science (and thus far the investigations at the universities involved haven't completed, so we don't know if any emails actually were deleted or not, although at least one of the scientists involved said he did not delete anything). ClimateGate/SwiftHack is a tempest in a teapot. Unless you believe that every one of those groups I mentioned above, plus all the IPCC authors, plus all the various national science academies around the world, plus scores of independent scientific organizations are all in on some giant conspiracy to commit mass murder or make everyone socialists and the like.

By: modesty

modesty — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:02:41 +0000

Mark:

Suppose he wasn’t “the first.” Suppose he “just” piled on? Now what happens?

By: Mark E. Gillar

Mark E. Gillar — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:33:10 +0000

I’m still waiting for that first post on Huffpo or Media Matters to actually list the name of the reporter, a full transcrip as well as video or audio of the conversation. I spoke to Monckton directly who said he was trying to say that he was not the first to compare the SustainUs kids to Hitler’s Youth. Until I hear or see taped evidence to the contrary, I’m going with Monckton’s versions of the story.

I think it would behoove you to worry more about the climategate scandal and less about what amounts to unimportant gossip about the left-wing media’s favorite sketpic target.

Just look at what Media Matters tried to do to Monckton:
http://www.hootervillegazette.com/truthmatterstoo.html

In attempting to take down Monckton’s reputation, they took down their own a notch.